Hi,
it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora?
For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either...
BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se).
Regards,
Andre
[1] http://kdekorte.blogspot.com/2009/08/applecom-trailers-and-gecko-mediaplayer... [2] http://kdekorte.blogspot.com/2009/08/applecom-trailers-and-gecko-mediaplayer...
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 01:06:34PM -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
Hi,
it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora?
For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either...
BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se).
I agree that it's a total pain in the neck.
On the Centos list I was given this url:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1245441&page=4
which takes you to a discussion that tells you how to fix the problem using the firefox user agent switcher add-on.
It works on my Centos box, but I tried the same on F11 on my eeepc and it didn't solve it there. I make no guarantees, but you may want to look into it 'cause maybe you'll be the lucky one where it works! :)
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:45 -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 01:06:34PM -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
Hi,
it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora?
For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either...
BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se).
I agree that it's a total pain in the neck.
On the Centos list I was given this url:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1245441&page=4
which takes you to a discussion that tells you how to fix the problem using the firefox user agent switcher add-on.
It works on my Centos box, but I tried the same on F11 on my eeepc and it didn't solve it there. I make no guarantees, but you may want to look into it 'cause maybe you'll be the lucky one where it works! :)
Tried it on F11. Didn't work.
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is an admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
On 10/24/2009 09:00 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:45 -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 01:06:34PM -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
Hi,
it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora?
For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either...
BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se).
I agree that it's a total pain in the neck.
On the Centos list I was given this url:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1245441&page=4
which takes you to a discussion that tells you how to fix the problem using the firefox user agent switcher add-on.
It works on my Centos box, but I tried the same on F11 on my eeepc and it didn't solve it there. I make no guarantees, but you may want to look into it 'cause maybe you'll be the lucky one where it works! :)
Tried it on F11. Didn't work.
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is an admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine.
John
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote:
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is
an
admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine.
If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I do have gecko-mediaplayer installed.
poc
On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote:
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is
an
admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine.
If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I do have gecko-mediaplayer installed.
poc
No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD version of the trailer for "Red Cliff". Worked perfectly. I also tried your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that 2 minutes of the 7:09).
Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed?
Regards,
JOhn
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 12:49 -0700, john wendel wrote:
On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote:
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is
an
admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine.
If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I do have gecko-mediaplayer installed.
poc
No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD version of the trailer for "Red Cliff". Worked perfectly. I also tried your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that 2 minutes of the 7:09).
The movie trailers do work. The Apple promo stuff doesn't (except for the TV ads as I said).
Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed?
I believe so, but since it's not an RPM I'd have to check the files one by one. The latest codecs tarball on the Mplayer site is a couple of years old so I doubt that's the problem.
poc
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:59, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 12:49 -0700, john wendel wrote:
On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote:
I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is
an
admission that QT is a niche format.
poc
I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine.
If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and
I
do have gecko-mediaplayer installed.
poc
No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD version of the trailer for "Red Cliff". Worked perfectly. I also tried your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that 2 minutes of the 7:09).
The movie trailers do work. The Apple promo stuff doesn't (except for the TV ads as I said).
Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed?
I believe so, but since it's not an RPM I'd have to check the files one by one. The latest codecs tarball on the Mplayer site is a couple of years old so I doubt that's the problem.
AFAIK you only need to have all the gstreamer-plugins-* packages (and, of course, their dependencies). Here's what I have:
~ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.13-7.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-4.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-2.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
(BTW I had to install some of them -- the "ugly" package IIRC -- by hand, dependencies were not being pulled automatically)
I just replaced totem-mozplugin with gecko-mediaplayer, and trailers are playing just fine again. This is good because there's a way out after all, but on the other hand this is bad for totem (and Fedora) since it means that default installations will fail to play the trailers (question: will this be the case for F12 as well?), and on the user's eyes it will be one of those cases where Fedora is "quite not there yet".
I just did some quick searching on Fedora bugzilla to see if this has already been filed as a totem or totem-mozplugin bug, but did not find anything. Does anyone know if it's already there? If it's not, developers have all the reasons not to have addressed it yet... :-(
Andre
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 21:01 -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:59, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 12:49 -0700, john wendel wrote: > On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote: > >>> I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is > >> an > >>> admission that QT is a niche format. > >>> > >>> poc > >>> > >> > >> I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at > >> apple.com just fine. > > > > If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other > > stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I > > do have gecko-mediaplayer installed. > > > > poc > > > > No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD > version of the trailer for "Red Cliff". Worked perfectly. I also tried > your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that > 2 minutes of the 7:09).
The movie trailers do work. The Apple promo stuff doesn't (except for the TV ads as I said). > Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed? I believe so, but since it's not an RPM I'd have to check the files one by one. The latest codecs tarball on the Mplayer site is a couple of years old so I doubt that's the problem.AFAIK you only need to have all the gstreamer-plugins-* packages (and, of course, their dependencies). Here's what I have:
~ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.13-7.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-4.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-2.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
(BTW I had to install some of them -- the "ugly" package IIRC -- by hand, dependencies were not being pulled automatically)
$ rpm -qa *gstreamer-plugins* gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.13-7.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-2.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-4.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
Looks identical.
I just replaced totem-mozplugin with gecko-mediaplayer, and trailers are playing just fine again.
I had both of them for some reason. Once I removed totem-mozplugin and restarted FF, the Apple stuff worked.
This is good because there's a way out after all, but on the other hand this is bad for totem (and Fedora) since it means that default installations will fail to play the trailers (question: will this be the case for F12 as well?), and on the user's eyes it will be one of those cases where Fedora is "quite not there yet".
I just did some quick searching on Fedora bugzilla to see if this has already been filed as a totem or totem-mozplugin bug, but did not find anything. Does anyone know if it's already there? If it's not, developers have all the reasons not to have addressed it yet... :-(
Default installations are never going to have the non-free codecs in any case. The user will always have to install them for himself.
poc
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 22:00, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 21:01 -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:59, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 12:49 -0700, john wendel wrote: > On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote: > >>> I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is > >> an > >>> admission that QT is a niche format. > >>> > >>> poc > >>> > >> > >> I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at > >> apple.com just fine. > > > > If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other > > stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I > > do have gecko-mediaplayer installed. > > > > poc > > > > No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD > version of the trailer for "Red Cliff". Worked perfectly. I also tried > your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that > 2 minutes of the 7:09).
The movie trailers do work. The Apple promo stuff doesn't (except for the TV ads as I said). > Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed? I believe so, but since it's not an RPM I'd have to check the files one by one. The latest codecs tarball on the Mplayer site is a couple of years old so I doubt that's the problem.AFAIK you only need to have all the gstreamer-plugins-* packages (and, of course, their dependencies). Here's what I have:
~ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.13-7.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-4.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-2.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
(BTW I had to install some of them -- the "ugly" package IIRC -- by hand, dependencies were not being pulled automatically)
$ rpm -qa *gstreamer-plugins* gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.13-7.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-2.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.15-4.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
Looks identical.
I just replaced totem-mozplugin with gecko-mediaplayer, and trailers are playing just fine again.
I had both of them for some reason. Once I removed totem-mozplugin and restarted FF, the Apple stuff worked.
Most likely this was the problem: probably totem-mozplugin was being picked instead of gecko-mediaplayer.
This is good because there's a way out after all, but on the other hand this is bad for totem (and Fedora) since it means that default installations will fail to play the trailers (question: will this be the case for F12 as well?), and on the user's eyes it will be one of those cases where Fedora is "quite not there yet".
I just did some quick searching on Fedora bugzilla to see if this has already been filed as a totem or totem-mozplugin bug, but did not find anything. Does anyone know if it's already there? If it's not, developers have all the reasons not to have addressed it yet... :-(
Default installations are never going to have the non-free codecs in any case. The user will always have to install them for himself.
You're right. What I meant is that, even if you install the codecs (which are automatically suggested if you try to watch a trailer), it won't work until you replace the default media player plugin for another one. That's one step further, it's not intuitive and shouldn't be necessary IMHO.
Regards,
Andre
On 10/25/2009 09:45 AM, Andre Costa wrote:
You're right. What I meant is that, even if you install the codecs (which are automatically suggested if you try to watch a trailer), it won't work until you replace the default media player plugin for another one. That's one step further, it's not intuitive and shouldn't be necessary IMHO.
http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/totem if you want to report it.
Rahul
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 09:55, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 10/25/2009 09:45 AM, Andre Costa wrote:
You're right. What I meant is that, even if you install the codecs (which are automatically suggested if you try to watch a trailer), it won't work until you replace the default media player plugin for another one. That's one step further, it's not intuitive and shouldn't be necessary IMHO.
http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/totem if you want to report it.
Rahul
Done: bug #530855 [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530855] has been filed. Hope this gets fixed in time for F12
To all other folks annoyed by this: please comment on the bug, or vote for it, or at least put yourselves on the CC list.
Regards,
Andre
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 15:26, Andre Costa blueser@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 09:55, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 10/25/2009 09:45 AM, Andre Costa wrote:
You're right. What I meant is that, even if you install the codecs (which are automatically suggested if you try to watch a trailer), it won't work until you replace the default media player plugin for another one. That's one step further, it's not intuitive and shouldn't be necessary IMHO.
http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/totem if you want to report it.
Rahul
Done: bug #530855 [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530855] has been filed. Hope this gets fixed in time for F12
To all other folks annoyed by this: please comment on the bug, or vote for it, or at least put yourselves on the CC list.
Just a quick followup: bug 530855 has been marked CLOSED - RAWHIDE, meaning it is already fixed on F12 and will not be backported to F11. IMHO it's a pitty, even though F12 is scheduled for Nov 17, because I never update right away, I prefer to wait a little until any serious issues are sorted out. I guess I'll just have to stick to gecko-mediaplayer in the meantime (BTW: it has some weird bug that makes sound decreases slowly as the movie is played...).
Regards,
Andre
On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 02:15 -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
Default installations are never going to have the non-free codecs in
any
case. The user will always have to install them for himself.
You're right. What I meant is that, even if you install the codecs (which are automatically suggested if you try to watch a trailer), it won't work until you replace the default media player plugin for another one. That's one step further, it's not intuitive and shouldn't be necessary IMHO.
True.
poc
On Saturday 24 October 2009, fred smith wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 01:06:34PM -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
Hi,
it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora?
For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either...
BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se).
I agree that it's a total pain in the neck.
On the Centos list I was given this url:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1245441&page=4
which takes you to a discussion that tells you how to fix the problem using the firefox user agent switcher add-on.
It works on my Centos box, but I tried the same on F11 on my eeepc and it didn't solve it there. I make no guarantees, but you may want to look into it 'cause maybe you'll be the lucky one where it works! :)
Many Thanks to this message, cnn is working again.
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