Fedora Mailing List Stats for July 2004
Special mention to Sam Tregar for one of the funniest subjects I have seen in a very long time: "There's a robot farting in my ear."
Total messages 7060
Top 25 posters Number of posts Poster
381 Alexander Dalloz 182 Scot L. Harris 152 Jeff Vian 104 fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com 99 Gene Heskett 86 Nifty Hat Mitch 80 John Dangler 79 Ow Mun Heng 75 James Wilkinson 69 Craig White 67 D. D. Brierton 61 William Hooper 60 Michael Schwendt 60 netmask 58 Jim Cornette 56 Satish Balay 56 jludwig 56 antonio montagnani 54 ne... 54 Clint Harshaw 53 Kenneth Porter 45 Timothy Payne 45 Chadley Wilson 42 Hannes Mayer
Top 25 subjects
Number of posts Subject
58 Email question 43 system clock is too slow 41 any hints on status of FC3 t1? 40 yum flavors vs/ fc1, fc2, fc3...infinity 39 serving pop3 38 /etc/resolv.conf and sendmail 36 Can't I get a /dev/one? 35 kernel update/wireless install 35 hack attempt on my server...What do you do about this? 33 Suggestion for Newbies [Was: Curt Tone] 31 Gaim Upload 31 Fix Broken RPM System? 30 Assistance for newbies? 30 trailing blank line in a text file 30 Convert CDIR notation to IP range 29 Traffic shaping... don't understand the instructions! 29 Is ssh not safe? 28 Test with Chkrootkit 27 No network after upgrade to Fedora 2 27 Ethernet card does not work with FC2 26 Hack attempts 25 MORE SSH Hacking: heads-up 25 (no subject) 23 Pesky virus 23 AutoCAD alternatives Clients used to post messages
2125 Ximian Evolution 614 Mozilla Thunderbird 593 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 346 Mutt/1.4.1i 253 Microsoft Outlook 222 KMail/1.6.2 182 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; 174 Microsoft Outlook, 130 Evolution 1.5.9.1 89 Internet Mail 82 KMail/1.5.4 76 Sylpheed version 74 KMail/1.6 61 SquirrelMail/1.5.1 [CVS] 57 QUALCOMM Windows 56 Evolution 1.5.90 52 PINE 4.53 51 KNode/0.7.7 41 Gnus/5.09 (Gnus 37 Forte Agent 37 Evolution 1.5.9.2 36 Apple Mail 32 Microsoft Office 31 dtmail 1.3.0 31 Mutt/1.5.6i 30 SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 29 Mulberry/3.1.4 (Win32) 26 Mutt/1.4.2i 24 Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32)
Message Content Types
8038 text/plain 939 multipart/mixed 700 multipart/signed 645 application/pgp-signature 202 text/html 187 multipart/alternative 42 application/x-pkcs7-signature 15 text/x-vcard 5 multipart/related 4 message/rfc822 3 application/ms-tnef 3 image/jpeg 2 image/gif 1 application/vnd.sun.xml.writer 1 application/x-bzip 1 application/octet-stream 1 application/x-sh
On Aug 1, 2004 at 00:22, Scot L. Harris in a soothing rage wrote:
[...] I note the subject for June was 'Mailing list stats for June 2004'. May I politely ask that you revert to this format for August? It makes sorting by subject easier.
Thanks N.Emile...
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:36, ne... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2004 at 00:22, Scot L. Harris in a soothing rage wrote:
[...] I note the subject for June was 'Mailing list stats for June 2004'. May I politely ask that you revert to this format for August? It makes sorting by subject easier.
Problem is noted. Sorry. Will change for next time.
On Aug 1, 2004 at 10:53, Scot L. Harris in a soothing rage wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:36, ne... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2004 at 00:22, Scot L. Harris in a soothing rage wrote:
[...] I note the subject for June was 'Mailing list stats for June 2004'. May I politely ask that you revert to this format for August? It makes sorting by subject easier.
Problem is noted. Sorry. Will change for next time.
No need to apologize... Great job.
N.Emile...
Scot L. Harris wrote:
2125 Ximian Evolution 614 Mozilla Thunderbird 593 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 346 Mutt/1.4.1i 253 Microsoft Outlook 222 KMail/1.6.2 182 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
This is interesting to me. I didn't realize that Thunderbird was moving ahead of mozilla mailer. Ximian's popularity didn't surprise me much.
Jim
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 11:47, Jim Cornette wrote:
Scot L. Harris wrote:
2125 Ximian Evolution 614 Mozilla Thunderbird 593 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 346 Mutt/1.4.1i 253 Microsoft Outlook 222 KMail/1.6.2 182 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
This is interesting to me. I didn't realize that Thunderbird was moving ahead of mozilla mailer. Ximian's popularity didn't surprise me much.
Jim
Please note those numbers can be miss-leading. The current script is simply counting which mailer was used for each message. So a few users posting a lot of messages from a particular mailer can skew the numbers.
I need to re-write that portion to count the mailers that users use. This would IMHO be more useful as you would know the counts of mailers based on the poster population. I think that would give you a better handle on popularity of a particular mailer.
And as reported last time some mailers do not implement the headers that I am currently using so they do not get counted at all.
Did not have time this month to make the changes. Maybe next month. :)
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:47, Jim Cornette wrote:
Scot L. Harris wrote:
2125 Ximian Evolution 614 Mozilla Thunderbird 593 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 346 Mutt/1.4.1i 253 Microsoft Outlook 222 KMail/1.6.2 182 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
This is interesting to me. I didn't realize that Thunderbird was moving ahead of mozilla mailer. Ximian's popularity didn't surprise me much.
Jim
But note that evolution as a whole is even larger. 2125 Ximian Evolution 130 Evolution 1.5.9.1 56 Evolution 1.5.90 37 Evolution 1.5.9.2
Personally, the move of evolution from Ximian to Novell leaves me up in the air about whether I will continue to use it.
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 12:42, Jeff Vian wrote:
But note that evolution as a whole is even larger. 2125 Ximian Evolution 130 Evolution 1.5.9.1 56 Evolution 1.5.90 37 Evolution 1.5.9.2
Personally, the move of evolution from Ximian to Novell leaves me up in the air about whether I will continue to use it.
I have had similar thoughts. For the moment I use evolution 1.4.5 on an RH8.0 system as my main email server. (don't throw things please! :)
For now it is working just fine. And I have numerous filters setup that have been doing an excellent job keeping my email sorted and processed.
Been wanting to take a look at Mozilla and Thunderbird to see if they will do everything I need but have not made the time yet. I also want to make sure I can import all the stuff I have saved without problems.
I believe I heard that updated versions of evolution are being included in Fedora but the link to Novell just makes me think that at some point they will pull support for other distributions in an attempt to differentiate their distribution and gain market and money.
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:13, Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 12:42, Jeff Vian wrote:
Personally, the move of evolution from Ximian to Novell leaves me up in the air about whether I will continue to use it.
I have had similar thoughts. For the moment I use evolution 1.4.5 on an RH8.0 system as my main email server. (don't throw things please! :)
For now it is working just fine. And I have numerous filters setup that have been doing an excellent job keeping my email sorted and processed.
Been wanting to take a look at Mozilla and Thunderbird to see if they will do everything I need but have not made the time yet. I also want to make sure I can import all the stuff I have saved without problems.
I believe I heard that updated versions of evolution are being included in Fedora but the link to Novell just makes me think that at some point they will pull support for other distributions in an attempt to differentiate their distribution and gain market and money.
---- I think Novell deserves the benefit of the doubt. Their purchases of Ximian and SuSE makes them a major player in open source.
It appears that they are tossing in the plug-in for Exchange for free - that is a nice gesture since they offer groupwise (which is available for Linux). It would be real interesting to see them move groupwise server into open source (I'm not holding my breath).
Anyway, if they decide to pull out, I would presume that it could be forked (I don't know the license - Novell's web site doesn't make that clear). On total though, a change in their software licensing at this point would be a very bad public relations move - something mono couldn't handle.
Craig
Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 12:42, Jeff Vian wrote:
But note that evolution as a whole is even larger. 2125 Ximian Evolution 130 Evolution 1.5.9.1 56 Evolution 1.5.90 37 Evolution 1.5.9.2
Personally, the move of evolution from Ximian to Novell leaves me up in the air about whether I will continue to use it.
I have had similar thoughts. For the moment I use evolution 1.4.5 on an RH8.0 system as my main email server. (don't throw things please! :)
For now it is working just fine. And I have numerous filters setup that have been doing an excellent job keeping my email sorted and processed.
Been wanting to take a look at Mozilla and Thunderbird to see if they will do everything I need but have not made the time yet. I also want to make sure I can import all the stuff I have saved without problems.
I believe I heard that updated versions of evolution are being included in Fedora but the link to Novell just makes me think that at some point they will pull support for other distributions in an attempt to differentiate their distribution and gain market and money.
I like mozilla as a mailer and use it frequently. Thunderbird is pretty similar to mozilla but I like the customary composer, mail client and web browser over seperated applications. I don't like to have to sort my mail and rather like having a lot of different subaccounts for different mailing lists, personal and business purposes. It is less confusing to me and is not effected by factors like mail lists changing domains or titles.
Regarding Novell owning Ximian now. I think that their main goal is in gaining marketshare taken from them by underhanded tricks by Microsoft. I think if they alienated the users of competing or "just different" versions of Linux, the alienation from the community would be of little service to the company.
Just my opinion, though Evo is too much like Outlook for my tastes in an email client. Jim
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:47, Jim Cornette wrote:
This is interesting to me. I didn't realize that Thunderbird was moving ahead of mozilla mailer. Ximian's popularity didn't surprise me much.
Jim
If Ximian is so popular may be someone can answer my question:
I use postfix with maildir format and courier-imap as my MTA on Fedora Core 2. No matter how I configure my local account, IMAP account or Maildir account, Ximian doesn't display my folders correctly. When using IMAP it shows All my folders as sub-folders of INBOX. I have entered "INBOX." as namespace override but it still shows INBOX as folder with all folders as sub-folders of INBOX. If use mozilla it works fine.
When using as Maildir format, it shows a top folder as "." and all the other folders as sub-folders of that "." folder. It also shows non-folder entities like courierimapkeywords etc as sub-folders, which is completely wrong, since 'courierimapkeywords' is not a folder (directory with new,cur,tmp directories in it) but just a file.
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