Lack of things in Gimp

[Sylvia Sánchez]

Hello everybody!

I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.

Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?

Thank you very much!
Lailah

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
   Lailah  wrote:
> Hello everybody!
>        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
>
> distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
> Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?

These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely 
redistributed.

[Mike Williams]

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
>   Lailah  wrote:
> > Hello everybody!
> >        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> >
> > distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> > and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> >
> > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?

You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list

Mike

[Sylvia Sánchez]

El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:52 -0500, Mike Williams escribió:
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
> >   Lailah  wrote:
> > > Hello everybody!
> > >        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> > >
> > > distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> > > and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> > >
> > > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
>
> You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
>
> Mike

It is not a Gimp problem, it is a Fedora problem.  So I ask in the
Fedora list.

Thanks and regards,
Lailah

["Germán A. Racca"]

On 01/29/2013 05:00 PM, Lailah wrote:
> El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:52 -0500, Mike Williams escribió:
> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
> > >   Lailah <[e-mail]  > wrote:
> > > > Hello everybody!
> > > >        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> > > >
> > > > distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> > > > and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> > > >
> > > > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
> >
> > You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
> >
> > Mike
>
> It is not a Gimp problem, it is a Fedora problem.  So I ask in the
> Fedora list.
>
> /Thanks and regards,/
> */Lailah/*

Hola Lailah,

Packages in Fedora are under free and open source licenses, which is a 
clearly established issue, just see the Fedora wiki about licensing 
guidelines... so I can't see how this is a Fedora problem :(

Germán.

[Bill Davidsen]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
>    Lailah  wrote:
> > Hello everybody!
> >        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> >
> > distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> > and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> >
> > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
>
> These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely
> redistributed.

Either that or the purity of the license might be in question. Fedora not only 
insists that it be legal, but politically correct, for some value of PC which 
equates to "under a license we approve" like GPL.

I have a bunch of laptops I would love to have on Fedora, but Fedora doesn't 
include the drivers, rpmfusion has them, but the Live-CD and install kernels in 
fc18 don't match the driver, I can't D/L drivers because I don't have the 
drivers, if I did I could download but wouldn't need to. Perfect example of 
Catch 22.

If the Fedora team saw this as a problem, they would arrange to have rpmfusion 
keep drivers available for the obsolete kernels in the media as well as the 
current kernels you get with upgrade. At least for Broadcom and Ralink (net) and 
Radeon and Nvidia (video). Those are probably the most widely used hardware 
bits, and without the driver installed you can't upgrade and maybe your video 
only works in text mode. Assuming you can even find a driver for the old kernels.

Sorry for the rant, but I have wasted hours trying to find the drivers to 
download, putting them on the USB drive, and then being told that I need yet 
another rpm. And MINT just booted with all the drivers in place, ready to 
install. I haven't given up, but lack of a "Fedora Live-CD" repo for the bits 
needed to install would sure make life easier.

[Bryn M. Reeves]

On 01/29/2013 04:45 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> If the Fedora team saw this as a problem, they would arrange to have
> rpmfusion keep drivers available for the obsolete kernels in the media
> as well as the current kernels you get with upgrade. At least for
> Broadcom and Ralink (net) and Radeon and Nvidia (video). Those are
> probably the most widely used hardware bits, and without the driver
> installed you can't upgrade and maybe your video only works in text
> mode. Assuming you can even find a driver for the old kernels.

It would definitely be helpful for rpmfusion to preserve driver packages 
for the kernels shipped in the media although I thought they did this?

I just checked for F17 and they do appear to have kmod packages for the 
3.3.4-5 kernel that shipped on the media.

You could pre-download everything including dependencies and have it on 
a USB device available as a repo to the LiveCD or installer. There are 
tools that will do all that but it would be nice to have a very simple 
way to put it all together in advance to simplify this kind of install.

Regards,
Bryn.

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: Bill Davidsen

| I have a bunch of laptops I would love to have on Fedora, but Fedora doesn't
| include the drivers, rpmfusion has them, but the Live-CD and install kernels
| in fc18 don't match the driver, I can't D/L drivers because I don't have the
| drivers, if I did I could download but wouldn't need to. Perfect example of
| Catch 22.

Purity is problematic.  Things have been getting better, but not
monotonically.  Requiring 3D is something that has mmade things worse.
Still, purity is fighting the good fight; Ubuntu's lack of purity
reduces the effectiveness of the boycott.

Sometimes I'm pure, sometimes I cheat and run Ubuntu (usually for
other people) (but even Ubuntu screws up drivers sometimes).

For video, the trick is to say "nomodeset" on the kernel boot line.
Then it uses VGA framebuffer (because most real drivers now insist on
modesetting and you are forbidding that). Usually that's good enough
to get up to speed.  I think you then have to scrape the "nomodeset"
out of /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to get the new video drivers to kick in.

I don't know what you do for missing networking drivers.  I usually
don't have trouble with wired interfaces.  If wired AND wireless don't
work, you're doubly cursed.  If desperate, I guess you could get a
supported USB ethernet or WiFi dongle and use it until the updates kick in.
You'd only need one dongle to service your whole fleet.

[Sylvia Sánchez]

El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 08:08 -0600, Bruno Wolff III escribió:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
>    Lailah  wrote:
> > Hello everybody!
> >        I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> >
> > distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find video
> > and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> >
> > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
>
> These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely 
> redistributed.

Ok.  How can I solve it?

[Claude Jones]

On 1/29/2013 6:02 AM, Lailah wrote:
> Hello everybody!
>          I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in
>
> other distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find
> video and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
> Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
>
> /Thank you very much!/
> */Lailah/*

see if this helps
http://registry.gimp.org/

[Sylvia Sánchez]

El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:51 -0500, Claude Jones escribió:
> On 1/29/2013 6:02 AM, Lailah wrote:
> > Hello everybody!
> >          I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in
> >
> > other distributions  (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu).  In example, I can find
> > video and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> >
> > Why is this happening?  How can I solve it?
> >
> > /Thank you very much!/
> > */Lailah/*
>
> see if this helps
> http://registry.gimp.org/
>
> -- 
> Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA

No, is not helpful.  The newest scripts it has are from 2009.  I want it
running in 2.8.  This is the actual version on Fedora 18.

Thanks and regards,
Lailah

[Claude Jones]

On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
> > see if this helps
> > http://registry.gimp.org/
> >
> > --
> > Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
>
> No, is not helpful.  The newest scripts it has are from 2009.  I want it
> running in 2.8.  This is the actual version on Fedora 18.

I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the 
first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in 
2013...maybe I'm missing something

[jonc]

On 01/29/2013 07:48 PM, Claude Jones wrote:
> On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
> > > see if this helps
> > > http://registry.gimp.org/
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
> >
> > No, is not helpful.  The newest scripts it has are from 2009.  I want it
> > running in 2.8.  This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
>
> I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the 
> first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in 
> 2013...maybe I'm missing something

Don't use Gimp, so I have no idea if this could work:  Grab an Ubuntu 
deb, unpack it, and see what you can find? packages.ubuntu.com

[Sylvia Sánchez]

El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 19:48 -0500, Claude Jones escribió:
> On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
> > > see if this helps
> > > http://registry.gimp.org/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
> >
> > No, is not helpful.  The newest scripts it has are from 2009.  I want it
> > running in 2.8.  This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
>
> I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the 
> first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in 
> 2013...maybe I'm missing something
>
> -- 
> Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA

Hello!

Don't worry, it was my web browser.  I don't know why it
only showed me old issues.  Some hours later I visited it again and it
showed me new and fresh things to try.

Thanks to all!
Lailah