FC3 and NTFS

[Loren Lockwood]

Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple of distros and like 
FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I have dual boot with 
Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition.  Bumming around on the 
net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which is turned off by 
default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it on, they say I have to 
recompile the kernel.  That seems scary to me, but I found a site with 
very extensive instructions and decided to try it.  But first I need the 
kernel source code.  Where do I find that?  I poked around in Red Hat's 
site, also Fedora's, but didn't find anything.

Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is issued I'll have to 
go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way to get this option 
turned on by default?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails from this list and not 
found any other references to this problem.  Can it be that nobody else 
needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned off by default?  I 
still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope that the number of such 
jobs will approach zero as time goes by.

Thanks.  -Loren

[Loren Lockwood]

Den Couf wrote:
> --- Loren Lockwood  wrote:
> > Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple
> > of distros and like 
> > FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I
> > have dual boot with 
> > Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition. 
> > Bumming around on the 
> > net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which
> > is turned off by 
> > default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it
> > on, they say I have to 
> > recompile the kernel.  That seems scary to me, but I
> > found a site with 
> > very extensive instructions and decided to try it. 
> > But first I need the 
> > kernel source code.  Where do I find that?  I poked
> > around in Red Hat's 
> > site, also Fedora's, but didn't find anything.
> >
> > Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is
> > issued I'll have to 
> > go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way
> > to get this option 
> > turned on by default?
> >
> > Your help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails
> > from this list and not 
> > found any other references to this problem.  Can it
> > be that nobody else 
> > needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned
> > off by default?  I 
> > still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope
> > that the number of such 
> > jobs will approach zero as time goes by.
> >
> > Thanks.  -Loren
> >
> > --
>
> Hey Loren,
> i had the same problem here, but be sure, you don't
> have to recompile your kernel.
> Just browse to
> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html and
> follow the instructions. The only thing you have to
> know is whenever you update your kernel, you have to
> reinstall the right kernelmodules from the above site
> (its not a standard in fedora-kernels, a pitty).

Thanks to all who offered help.  I think I ran across that URL 
previously but since it is not "official" Linux I was doubtful.  Now, 
hearing it from the people on this list, I'm convinced.  I'll get right 
to it.

Thanks again.  -Loren

[Bart Couvreur]

--- Loren Lockwood  wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple
> of distros and like 
> FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I
> have dual boot with 
> Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition. 
> Bumming around on the 
> net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which
> is turned off by 
> default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it
> on, they say I have to 
> recompile the kernel.  That seems scary to me, but I
> found a site with 
> very extensive instructions and decided to try it. 
> But first I need the 
> kernel source code.  Where do I find that?  I poked
> around in Red Hat's 
> site, also Fedora's, but didn't find anything.
>
> Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is
> issued I'll have to 
> go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way
> to get this option 
> turned on by default?
>
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails
> from this list and not 
> found any other references to this problem.  Can it
> be that nobody else 
> needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned
> off by default?  I 
> still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope
> that the number of such 
> jobs will approach zero as time goes by.
>
> Thanks.  -Loren
>
> --

Hey Loren,
i had the same problem here, but be sure, you don't
have to recompile your kernel.
Just browse to
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html and
follow the instructions. The only thing you have to
know is whenever you update your kernel, you have to
reinstall the right kernelmodules from the above site
(its not a standard in fedora-kernels, a pitty).

Bye,
bart

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[John DeCarlo]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:24:39 -0400, Loren Lockwood  wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple of distros and like
> FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I have dual boot with
> Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition.  Bumming around on the
> net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which is turned off by
> default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it on, they say I have to
> recompile the kernel.

You don't have to do it yourself.  You can use the RPMs available at
linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net
> Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is issued I'll have to
> go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way to get this option
> turned on by default?

Yes, you will have to do this every time you boot a new kernel.
> BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails from this list and not
> found any other references to this problem.  Can it be that nobody else
> needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned off by default?

It is simply a tribute to the volume of messages on this list.  If you
go to the archives for the list at: 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/   you will find many,
many references to support for NTFS.

Why is it off by default?  Because Microsoft doesn't release all the
details, so there are trade secret or other related issues that scare
organizations off.  Especially big ones like Red Hat.

Also, it becomes dangerous to write to NTFS partitions, so the stable
support is read only.

[Matt Morgan]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:32:53 -0500, John DeCarlo  wrote:

[snip]
> > BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails from this list and not
> > found any other references to this problem.  Can it be that nobody else
> > needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned off by default?
>
> It is simply a tribute to the volume of messages on this list.  If you
> go to the archives for the list at:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/   you will find many,
> many references to support for NTFS.
>
> Why is it off by default?  Because Microsoft doesn't release all the
> details, so there are trade secret or other related issues that scare
> organizations off.  Especially big ones like Red Hat.

It's not fear. "The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the
Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system
exclusively from free software" (http://fedora.redhat.com).

Fedora, as distributed, is (or aims to be) 100% free. Copyright issues
prevent the inclusion of NTFS software into the official distribution.

[Duncan Lithgow]

> still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope that the number of such
> jobs will approach zero as time goes by.
>
> Thanks.  -Loren

Hi Loren,

Sure, but do you ned to look into the actual programme files? All your data 
(atually for that matter you whole XP) can be on a fat32 partition. Linux has 
full  read and write ability for that. That's what I have.

Xp -> happy and running on an NTFS partition
files/ junk/ personal stuff -> happy and humming on a fat32 partition
FC3 -> blazing off in glory on an ext3 partition

Duncan

[Jeff Vian]

On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:24 -0400, Loren Lockwood wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple of distros and like 
> FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I have dual boot with 
> Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition.  Bumming around on the 
> net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which is turned off by 
> default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it on, they say I have to 
> recompile the kernel.  That seems scary to me, but I found a site with 
> very extensive instructions and decided to try it.  But first I need the 
> kernel source code.  Where do I find that?  I poked around in Red Hat's 
> site, also Fedora's, but didn't find anything.
>
> Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is issued I'll have to 
> go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way to get this option 
> turned on by default?

You do not need to compile.  A module is available at
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/

install it and you will be on the way.

NOTE:  NTFS support is read-only in Linux.  If you want to share files
between the 2 OSes then you want to create a vfat partition and use that
for the shared data since both OSes can read/write to a Win98
filesystem.
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> BTW, I have read through a couple hundred emails from this list and not 
> found any other references to this problem.  Can it be that nobody else 
> needs NTFS access from FC3?  Is that why it's turned off by default?  I 
> still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope that the number of such 
> jobs will approach zero as time goes by.
>
> Thanks.  -Loren

[Loren Lockwood]

On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 21:14 +0100, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> > still need W2K for certain jobs, although I hope that the number of such
> > jobs will approach zero as time goes by.
> >
> > Thanks.  -Loren
>
> Hi Loren,
>
> Sure, but do you ned to look into the actual programme files? All your data 
> (atually for that matter you whole XP) can be on a fat32 partition. Linux has 
> full  read and write ability for that. That's what I have.
>
> Xp -> happy and running on an NTFS partition
> files/ junk/ personal stuff -> happy and humming on a fat32 partition
> FC3 -> blazing off in glory on an ext3 partition
>
> Duncan

Good idea, Duncan.  Actually I do have a spare partition which I could
use exactly in that way.  The only real reason I am using NTFS under W2K
is that it is apparently more stable than FAT32.  I have had BIG
problems with FAT32 in the past (under W98SE).

Another possibility would have been to burn a CD under W2K with all the
files I need and then read it under FC3.  That works, but since I use
Spanish, with accented vowels, in numerous file names, I get very ugly
results under FC3.  By hand-editing (one file at a time) I can correct
it all, but it takes too much time.

I think I'll try your suggestion.

Loren

[James Wilkinson]

Loren Lockwood wrote:
> Good idea, Duncan.  Actually I do have a spare partition which I could
> use exactly in that way.  The only real reason I am using NTFS under W2K
> is that it is apparently more stable than FAT32.  I have had BIG
> problems with FAT32 in the past (under W98SE).

I think that has more to do with Windows 98 than FAT32. When it's
stable, it's reasonably stable. When it isn't, you've got a real problem
trying to sort out what the problem is.

Note that despite the names, Windows 98 and Windows 2000 are *very*
different creatures. I have had no problems with FAT 32 on either
Windows 2000 or Linux.

James.

[Paul]

On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:24 -0400, Loren Lockwood wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm very new at Linux.  Have tried a couple of distros and like 
> FC3 best so far.  Some problems exist, though.  I have dual boot with 
> Win2K using NTFS.  FC3 can't see that partition.  Bumming around on the 
> net I found out that seeing NTFS is an option which is turned off by 
> default in the kernel of this distro.  To turn it on, they say I have to 
> recompile the kernel.  That seems scary to me, but I found a site with 
> very extensive instructions and decided to try it.  But first I need the 
> kernel source code.  Where do I find that?  I poked around in Red Hat's 
> site, also Fedora's, but didn't find anything.

The easiest way is to install the kernel-ntfs RPM from
http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/3/i386/RPMS.stable/ that matches your
kernel.  I do this for the nvidia since it does not break dependencies
like installing nvidia's driver directly.
> Also, does this mean that every time a new kernel is issued I'll have to 
> go through the same procedure?  Isn't there some way to get this option 
> turned on by default?
> From what I understand there may be some patent issues with

reading/writing NTFS and so this is one of the reasons it's not included
in fedora.

Regards,
Paul

ipt_psd filering scan with FC kernel 2.6.10

[François Patte]

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Bonjour,

Is there, somewhere, a version of a kernel for FC3 (I run version
2.6.10-xxxx) allowing the use of iptables with port scan detector module?

Thank you.
- --
François Patte.

École Française d'Extrême-Orient - Pune - Inde
UFR de mathématiques et informatique.
http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
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