My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere. -- Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net
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Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it
somewhere.
Sorry! bro. i didn't got it! what do u mean by "there is money in it somewhere."
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 19:55 +0500, Mustafa Qasim wrote:
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote: My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere. -- Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewheroe.Sorry! bro. i didn't got it! what do u mean by "there is money in it somewhere."
I need to leave out throwaway sentences. All I meant was currently you have to pay sums of $800 or $1000 to recover data from a crashed system.. A Linux based system might offer the service cheaper. But it would not work if the Disk is actually physically damaged , I don't think.
--- Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 19:55 +0500, Mustafa Qasim wrote:
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and hissystem crashed
making his Documents unavailable. He saw howexpensive disk recovery
could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recoverthe documents for
him. Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in
it somewhere. -- Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in it
somewheroe.Sorry! bro. i didn't got it! what do u mean by
"there is money in it
somewhere."
I need to leave out throwaway sentences. All I meant was currently you have to pay sums of $800 or $1000 to recover data from a crashed system.. A Linux based system might offer the service cheaper. But it would not work if the Disk is actually physically damaged , I don't think.
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I have recovered many documents, word files, spreadsheets, etc., for some colleagues at school. The harddrive on the host machines was going bad giving thunking sounds. I used Slax and recovered many files for them and passed them on to a USB drive and they gave me a hero's welcome. They were very happy to get their data back and praising me very much.
But if the disk is physically damaged, I concur with you Aaron, but some say that the FBI can do, it. I do not know to what extent, but many people say that they can get anything that was on your computer no matter how many times you have reformatted your hard drive.
This is a page that shows up using google that says a bit as to what happens http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2000/computer.htm
As to combat that, I do not know, some say use a Magnet and put it next to the hard drive that you want to be erased for good. By doing that according to some there is no way in the world that the FBI can get your data. I do not know how true the above statement is, but many people that know about computers have suggested this.
Regards,
Antonio
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On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 14:54 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 19:55 +0500, Mustafa Qasim wrote:
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and hissystem crashed
making his Documents unavailable. He saw howexpensive disk recovery
could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recoverthe documents for
him. Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in
it somewhere. -- Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in it
somewheroe.Sorry! bro. i didn't got it! what do u mean by
"there is money in it
somewhere."
I need to leave out throwaway sentences. All I meant was currently you have to pay sums of $800 or $1000 to recover data from a crashed system.. A Linux based system might offer the service cheaper. But it would not work if the Disk is actually physically damaged , I don't think.
-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
I have recovered many documents, word files, spreadsheets, etc., for some colleagues at school. The harddrive on the host machines was going bad giving thunking sounds. I used Slax and recovered many files for them and passed them on to a USB drive and they gave me a hero's welcome. They were very happy to get their data back and praising me very much.
But if the disk is physically damaged, I concur with you Aaron, but some say that the FBI can do, it. I do not know to what extent, but many people say that they can get anything that was on your computer no matter how many times you have reformatted your hard drive.
This is a page that shows up using google that says a bit as to what happens http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2000/computer.htm
As to combat that, I do not know, some say use a Magnet and put it next to the hard drive that you want to be erased for good. By doing that according to some there is no way in the world that the FBI can get your data. I do not know how true the above statement is, but many people that know about computers have suggested this.
Regards,
Antonio
I tend to use a 5 lb hammer. Magnets are for sissies. -- ======================================================================= If you have nothing to do, don't do it here. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Antonio Olivares:
As to combat that, I do not know, some say use a Magnet and put it next to the hard drive that you want to be erased for good. By doing that according to some there is no way in the world that the FBI can get your data. I do not know how true the above statement is, but many people that know about computers have suggested this.
Aaron Konstam:
I tend to use a 5 lb hammer. Magnets are for sissies.
;-) I had lots of fun doing things that you shouldn't do to an expensive hard drive that needed wrecking. Shotput onto a concrete floor, hurling it as far as I could in the garden, disassembling the mechanism (not easy when you don't have the appropriate screwdriver), and so on.
I let my nephew loose on the last one, he wrenched the thing apart through brute force, and removed the platter with a pair of vice grips. It didn't look anything like it's original shape. ;-)
Tim wrote:
Antonio Olivares:
As to combat that, I do not know, some say use a Magnet and put it next to the hard drive that you want to be erased for good. By doing that according to some there is no way in the world that the FBI can get your data. I do not know how true the above statement is, but many people that know about computers have suggested this.
Aaron Konstam:
I tend to use a 5 lb hammer. Magnets are for sissies.
;-) I had lots of fun doing things that you shouldn't do to an expensive hard drive that needed wrecking. Shotput onto a concrete floor, hurling it as far as I could in the garden, disassembling the mechanism (not easy when you don't have the appropriate screwdriver), and so on.
I let my nephew loose on the last one, he wrenched the thing apart through brute force, and removed the platter with a pair of vice grips. It didn't look anything like it's original shape. ;-)
When I retired I had a hard drive with TOP SECRET things I had written and commented on. Asked what to do and was told to take it by hand and throw it in a furnace that was very hot. Did that and it was gone forever.
Karl
On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 05:37 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
When I retired I had a hard drive with TOP SECRET things I had written and commented on. Asked what to do and was told to take it by hand and throw it in a furnace that was very hot. Did that and it was gone forever.
I'm sure that'd be effective, for various reasons (heat and magnetics aren't friends, never mind the incineration of the contents). But I wouldn't advise trying that for personal drive destruction. No doubt the drive's are built from stuff hazardous to one's health.
Lot's of fun though, I'm sure. I have a friend who's got a video of him burning a Windows CD, literally - the installation disc being held over a gas flame. I've toyed with the idea of doing it myself. ;-)
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 09:13 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 14:54 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 19:55 +0500, Mustafa Qasim wrote:
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and hissystem crashed
making his Documents unavailable. He saw howexpensive disk recovery
could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recoverthe documents for
him. Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in
it somewhere. -- Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Now here is a whole new use for Linux andthere is money in it
somewheroe.Sorry! bro. i didn't got it! what do u mean by
"there is money in it
somewhere."
I need to leave out throwaway sentences. All I meant was currently you have to pay sums of $800 or $1000 to recover data from a crashed system.. A Linux based system might offer the service cheaper. But it would not work if the Disk is actually physically damaged , I don't think.
-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
I have recovered many documents, word files, spreadsheets, etc., for some colleagues at school. The harddrive on the host machines was going bad giving thunking sounds. I used Slax and recovered many files for them and passed them on to a USB drive and they gave me a hero's welcome. They were very happy to get their data back and praising me very much.
But if the disk is physically damaged, I concur with you Aaron, but some say that the FBI can do, it. I do not know to what extent, but many people say that they can get anything that was on your computer no matter how many times you have reformatted your hard drive.
This is a page that shows up using google that says a bit as to what happens http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2000/computer.htm
As to combat that, I do not know, some say use a Magnet and put it next to the hard drive that you want to be erased for good. By doing that according to some there is no way in the world that the FBI can get your data. I do not know how true the above statement is, but many people that know about computers have suggested this.
Regards,
Antonio
I tend to use a 5 lb hammer. Magnets are for sissies.
======================================================================= If you have nothing to do, don't do it here. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
A straight magnet can mess it up a bit, but I don't know about total erasure. Generally degaussing takes an AC field, such as that from the degausing strip around a TV set or monitor (you degause tube type monitors and tv's to keep the color guns from being biased and giving fringes around the images). And a hard disk drive is "saturation" type recording, and some of the new ones use a very deep form of recording that is different from the surface recording done on magnetic tape. So if you wish to degauss a drive (remove all forms of data including formatting and bad sector stuff), then a very high strength degaussing platform is needed. Or a 5 lb or heavier hammer applied with gusto to the platters seems to do a pretty thorough job, unless you are discussing state secrets or the next advent of computing.
Regards, Les H
Les wrote:
A straight magnet can mess it up a bit, but I don't know about total erasure. Generally degaussing takes an AC field, such as that from the degausing strip around a TV set or monitor (you degause tube type monitors and tv's to keep the color guns from being biased and giving fringes around the images). And a hard disk drive is "saturation" type recording, and some of the new ones use a very deep form of recording that is different from the surface recording done on magnetic tape. So if you wish to degauss a drive (remove all forms of data including formatting and bad sector stuff), then a very high strength degaussing platform is needed. Or a 5 lb or heavier hammer applied with gusto to the platters seems to do a pretty thorough job, unless you are discussing state secrets or the next advent of computing.
Or use that hammer to drive a small steel punch all the way through the drive. It's quick and someone would have to be pretty determined to get any data back after that.
Les Mikesell wrote:
Les wrote:
A straight magnet can mess it up a bit, but I don't know about total erasure. Generally degaussing takes an AC field, such as that from the degausing strip around a TV set or monitor (you degause tube type monitors and tv's to keep the color guns from being biased and giving fringes around the images). And a hard disk drive is "saturation" type recording, and some of the new ones use a very deep form of recording that is different from the surface recording done on magnetic tape. So if you wish to degauss a drive (remove all forms of data including formatting and bad sector stuff), then a very high strength degaussing platform is needed. Or a 5 lb or heavier hammer applied with gusto to the platters seems to do a pretty thorough job, unless you are discussing state secrets or the next advent of computing.
Or use that hammer to drive a small steel punch all the way through the drive. It's quick and someone would have to be pretty determined to get any data back after that.
The newer platters are much harder as we found out when we tried to cut some drives up with a metal saw. To hard.
I read an article of using "Coke" (I prefer Pepsi) and drill a few holes in the top of the case. Fill with Coke and let sit. Soon the surface of the platters are now etched.
I was going through some old drives and destroying them. I ended up just drilling holes and soaking them in water. Destroyed the circuit boards with a hammer as well.
It would be interesting what size of magnetic field is necessary to fully erase a drive still in it's case.
I did find this.
http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=97378
On 7/23/07, Robin Laing Robin.Laing@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Les wrote:
A straight magnet can mess it up a bit, but I don't know about total erasure. Generally degaussing takes an AC field, such as that from the degausing strip around a TV set or monitor (you degause tube type monitors and tv's to keep the color guns from being biased and giving fringes around the images). And a hard disk drive is "saturation" type recording, and some of the new ones use a very deep form of recording that is different from the surface recording done on magnetic tape. So if you wish to degauss a drive (remove all forms of data including formatting and bad sector stuff), then a very high strength degaussing platform is needed. Or a 5 lb or heavier hammer applied with gusto to the platters seems to do a pretty thorough job, unless you are discussing state secrets or the next advent of computing.
Or use that hammer to drive a small steel punch all the way through the drive. It's quick and someone would have to be pretty determined to get any data back after that.
The newer platters are much harder as we found out when we tried to cut some drives up with a metal saw. To hard.
I read an article of using "Coke" (I prefer Pepsi) and drill a few holes in the top of the case. Fill with Coke and let sit. Soon the surface of the platters are now etched.
I was going through some old drives and destroying them. I ended up just drilling holes and soaking them in water. Destroyed the circuit boards with a hammer as well.
It would be interesting what size of magnetic field is necessary to fully erase a drive still in it's case.
I did find this.
Can you guys fork the thread if the topic is dead? Very early on it was established that the OP did not find a new use for Linux.
Robin Laing wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Les wrote: Or use that hammer to drive a small steel punch all the way through the drive. It's quick and someone would have to be pretty determined to get any data back after that.
The newer platters are much harder as we found out when we tried to cut some drives up with a metal saw. To hard.
I read an article of using "Coke" (I prefer Pepsi) and drill a few holes in the top of the case. Fill with Coke and let sit. Soon the surface of the platters are now etched.
What a waste! Hard disk platters make excellent shaving mirrors. Just that one has to get used to the small size and the hole in the middle. I've been using one for the past three years.
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Not that new. I have used a Ubintu disc and a USB drive to recover Windows files in the past. Not that difficult. Works great. (There are also Linux distros for breaking passwords on Windows boxes.)
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery. They give you a lot of tools to do different mount options and basically allow you to search files on the disk, copy whatever files you want to another part of the filesystem, then save them whereever including external usb devices.
Marc
On 7/19/07, alan alan@clueserver.org wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Not that new. I have used a Ubintu disc and a USB drive to recover Windows files in the past. Not that difficult. Works great. (There are also Linux distros for breaking passwords on Windows boxes.)
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
On 7/19/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
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I use linux based tools such as helix, a knoppix cd, or a fedora or red hat install cd 1, or a Fedora/ RH dvd, to do all sorts of things on the disk whether a windows environment or not. I prefer to use pre-built tools though, since there are things out there that already do file mounting, detection and kernel support for ntfs, etc. Some of the above-mentioned disks are better suited for certain purposes than others. I wouldn't be using the red hat cd's for looking at windows since there exists better tools for that, for example.
M
On 7/19/07, Marc linuxr@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/19/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
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Marc wrote:
On 7/19/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
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I am trying to get Helix from a computer in Europe. All USA sites no longer have it. I think the whole thing may be a sham.
Karl
Around 09:45pm on Thursday, July 19, 2007 (UK time), Karl Larsen scrawled:
I am trying to get Helix from a computer in Europe. All USA sites no longer have it. I think the whole thing may be a sham.
Shit! You've caught on at last. I carefully and secretly coordinate all of this mailing list and quite a bit of the www to set up a massive hoax to try and trick you into downloading a non-existent distro, and you find me out in only a few hours.
PS You still believe my con about Apollo 11 going to the moon, don't you?
Steve Searle wrote:
Around 09:45pm on Thursday, July 19, 2007 (UK time), Karl Larsen scrawled:
I am trying to get Helix from a computer in Europe. All USA sites no longer have it. I think the whole thing may be a sham.
Shit! You've caught on at last. I carefully and secretly coordinate all of this mailing list and quite a bit of the www to set up a massive hoax to try and trick you into downloading a non-existent distro, and you find me out in only a few hours.
PS You still believe my con about Apollo 11 going to the moon, don't you?
Blow it out your ear Steve, if you have nothing to say, say it somewhere else.
Karl
Around 10:18pm on Thursday, July 19, 2007 (UK time), Karl Larsen scrawled:
Blow it out your ear Steve, if you have nothing to say, say it somewhere else.
Oh and stating that you think Helix is a sham because you are downloading it from a European computer *is* something worth saying!
At least my stupid comments are intentionally stupid.
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 22:08 +0100, Steve Searle wrote:
PS You still believe my con about Apollo 11 going to the moon, don't you?
You know it's the aniversary of that in a day or two (depending where abouts on the globe you are). ;-)
--- Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Marc wrote:
I am trying to get Helix from a computer in Europe. All USA sites no longer have it. I think the whole thing may be a sham.
Karl
--
Is it a shame, that they do not have it here in the USA.
Or is it a sham meaning that it could be a fake
fake: something that is a counterfeit; not what it seems to be
As others have pointed out to you Distrowatch.com has it and you can check download links,
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=helix
Regards,
Antonio
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Use Slax, Fedora Core 6, or Fedora 7 at random
[olivares@localhost ~]$ uptime 17:14:47 up 3 day, 20:23, 2 users, load average: 0.60, 1.20, 1.59 [olivares@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 #1 SMP Tue Jun 19 19:27:14 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [olivares@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)
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On Thursday 19 July 2007 23:07:33 Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Marc wrote:
I am trying to get Helix from a computer in Europe. All USA sites no longer have it. I think the whole thing may be a sham.
Karl
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Is it a shame, that they do not have it here in the USA.
Or is it a sham meaning that it could be a fake
fake: something that is a counterfeit; not what it seems to be
As others have pointed out to you Distrowatch.com has it and you can check download links,
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=helix
Regards,
Antonio
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Use Slax, Fedora Core 6, or Fedora 7 at random
[olivares@localhost ~]$ uptime 17:14:47 up 3 day, 20:23, 2 users, load average: 0.60, 1.20, 1.59 [olivares@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 #1 SMP Tue Jun 19 19:27:14 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [olivares@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)
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I have just finished down loading it from ftp://tt.ic.uva.nl/helix/Helix_V1.9-07-13-2007.iso I will burn and explore it in the morning.
Karl Larsen wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Try Google and a dictionary.
On Thursday 19 July 2007 2:53:05 pm Karl Larsen wrote:
whack
You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
Karl: Start here: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=helix
-- cmg
On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:53, Karl Larsen wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
You can download it from here.
http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=303
I'm DL'ing it at the moment on my dialup connection (2½ days worth), but not as bad as the time it took for the F7 CD's.
I'm always game to try someones suggestion to try a certain live cd that will do stuff, so am going to give it a try.
Another one someone suggested was Finnix. That's quite a small download, as it's text only (no GUI). It's worth getting that. It makes you think a lot harder about what you're doing. No point and click here. Folks that are used to DOS (not me I must say) will probably find it quite easy to get used to, but it is a worthwhile challenge just working on the command line.
Nigel.
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 12:53 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Marc wrote:
Well, regardless, I have done plenty of file recovery with Helix. True, it may be designed for forensics but copying files off of disks is part of forensic work. There are a lot of other disks that do similar stuff. I like Helix though - it has served me well on several projects so far. To each his own.
Marc
On 7/19/07, Dave Ihnat dihnat@dminet.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery.
Ah...Helix isn't primarily for file recovery; it's for computer forensics. You need to look at something like System Rescue CD or The Ultimate Boot CD for something targeted at manipulating/repairing/recovering systems and/or data. -- Dave Ihnat President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. dihnat@dminet.com 773/550.0929
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You two are talking in Jargon new to me. I do not know how to get Helix or what it is. I gather IT whatever it is will tell you about the sex life of your computer. How do I get it and is there information on it's use anywhere?
Karl
Wha? My desk must be too close to the sun or something...
I can swear that in the last 2 or 3 days I've read a post by you where you say you've been a linux user since Slak was still in diapers.
I'm not sure what's going on, but it's clear that one of us is really confused.
Andy
Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery. They give you a lot of tools to do different mount options and basically allow you to search files on the disk, copy whatever files you want to another part of the filesystem, then save them whereever including external usb devices.
Marc
On 7/19/07, alan alan@clueserver.org wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Not that new. I have used a Ubintu disc and a USB drive to recover Windows files in the past. Not that difficult. Works great. (There are also Linux distros for breaking passwords on Windows boxes.)
-- "ANSI C says access to the padding fields of a struct is undefined. ANSI C also says that struct assignment is a memcpy. Therefore struct assignment in ANSI C is a violation of ANSI C..." - Alan Cox
--
I have used OpenOffice on Linux to open files that just won't open on Windows in Office. This is always a great think when it is your boss's report that refuses to be open and has to be submitted in 10 minutes.
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
I recently deleted a old backup of a quickbooks file (which is binary i believe) on a linux file server. It turns out that they had been using the backup instead of the main copy for several months. no backup - (save the backup early and often lectures it was a stupid move).
On 7/19/07, Robin Laing Robin.Laing@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote:
Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery. They give you a lot of tools to do different mount options and basically allow you to search files on the disk, copy whatever files you want to another part of the filesystem, then save them whereever including external usb devices.
Marc
On 7/19/07, alan alan@clueserver.org wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Not that new. I have used a Ubintu disc and a USB drive to recover Windows files in the past. Not that difficult. Works great. (There are also Linux distros for breaking passwords on Windows boxes.)
-- "ANSI C says access to the padding fields of a struct is undefined. ANSI C also says that struct assignment is a memcpy. Therefore struct assignment in ANSI C is a violation of ANSI C..." - Alan Cox
--
I have used OpenOffice on Linux to open files that just won't open on Windows in Office. This is always a great think when it is your boss's report that refuses to be open and has to be submitted in 10 minutes.
-- Due to the move to Exchange Server, anything that is a priority, please phone. Robin Laing
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El Jueves, 19 de Julio de 2007 21:57, Bazooka Joe escribió:
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
I recently deleted a old backup of a quickbooks file (which is binary i believe) on a linux file server. It turns out that they had been using the backup instead of the main copy for several months. no backup - (save the backup early and often lectures it was a stupid move).
Take a look here and cross your fingers :-) http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117909.htm
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 11:57 -0800, Bazooka Joe wrote:
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
I recently deleted a old backup of a quickbooks file (which is binary i believe) on a linux file server. It turns out that they had been using the backup instead of the main copy for several months. no backup - (save the backup early and often lectures it was a stupid move).
mc used to be able to do that in ext2. -- ======================================================================= When you try to make an impression, the chances are that is the impression you will make. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 15:26 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 11:57 -0800, Bazooka Joe wrote:
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
ext3 is ext2 with a journal. My guess is that an ext2 tool should be able to deal with it.
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El Jueves, 19 de Julio de 2007 22:39, Rick Stevens escribió:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 15:26 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 11:57 -0800, Bazooka Joe wrote:
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
ext3 is ext2 with a journal. My guess is that an ext2 tool should be able to deal with it.
Because of the journal it doesn't :-) Quoteing from the web I posted in a previus email
" Several things occur when an Ext3 file is deleted from Linux. Keep in mind that the OS gets to choose exactly what occurs when a file is deleted and this article assumes a general Linux system.
At a minimum, the OS must mark each of the blocks, the inode, and the directory entry as unallocated so that later files can use them. This minimal approach is what occurred several years ago with the Ext2 file system. In this case, the recovery process was relatively simple because the inode still contained the block addresses for the file content and tools such as debugfs and e2undel could easily re-create the file. This worked as long as the blocks had not been allocated to a new file and the original content was not overwritten.
With Ext3, there is an additional step that makes recovery much more difficult. When the blocks are unallocated, the file size and block addresses in the inode are cleared; therefore we can no longer determine where the file content was located. We can see the relationship between the directory entry, the inode, and the blocks of an unallocated file in Figure 2"
Cheers Manuel
Bazooka Joe wrote:
Are there any tools for recovering files in ext3 file system?
I recently deleted a old backup of a quickbooks file (which is binary i believe) on a linux file server. It turns out that they had been using the backup instead of the main copy for several months. no backup - (save the backup early and often lectures it was a stupid move).
On 7/19/07, Robin Laing Robin.Laing@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote:
Marc wrote:
There are also linux distros like Helix which are designed to facilitate file recovery. They give you a lot of tools to do different mount options and basically allow you to search files on the disk, copy whatever files you want to another part of the filesystem, then save them whereever including external usb devices.
Marc
On 7/19/07, alan alan@clueserver.org wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Aaron Konstam wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could
be when
a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Not that new. I have used a Ubintu disc and a USB drive to recover Windows files in the past. Not that difficult. Works great.
(There are
also Linux distros for breaking passwords on Windows boxes.)
-- "ANSI C says access to the padding fields of a struct is undefined. ANSI C also says that struct assignment is a memcpy. Therefore struct assignment in ANSI C is a violation of ANSI C..." - Alan Cox
--
I have used OpenOffice on Linux to open files that just won't open on Windows in Office. This is always a great think when it is your boss's report that refuses to be open and has to be submitted in 10 minutes.
-- Due to the move to Exchange Server, anything that is a priority, please phone. Robin Laing
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Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has the lost files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do with the files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files to that.
Karl
Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has the lost files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do with the files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files to that.
Karl
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks? That was what was needed in the original problem I posted. -- ======================================================================= Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Aaron Konstam wrote:
Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has the lost files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do with the files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files to that.
Karl
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks? That was what was needed in the original problem I posted.
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As far as I can tell, 'mount' can not work with a windows file system even in F7. I thought by now that had been added but no.
Karl
On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has the lost files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do with the files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files to that.
Karl
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks? That was what was needed in the original problem I posted.
--
Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
As far as I can tell, 'mount' can not work with a windows filesystem even in F7. I thought by now that had been added but no.
F7 can mount MS Windows NTFS filesystems. One needs to install ntfs-3g before.
Paul
Paul Smith wrote:
On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has
the lost
files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do
with the
files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files
to that.
Karl
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks?
That was
what was needed in the original problem I posted.
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Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her
children's
beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth.
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As far as I can tell, 'mount' can not work with a windows filesystem even in F7. I thought by now that had been added but no.
F7 can mount MS Windows NTFS filesystems. One needs to install ntfs-3g before.
Paul
Thank you Paul, I will do that next.
Karl
Karl Larsen wrote:
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks?
That was what was needed in the original problem I posted.
If you need to work on ntfs disks in rescue mode, I'd recommend Knoppix instead.
We use it for cleaning up problematic ntfs file systems either with tools in Knoppix or SMB (Windows File Sharing) by turning on Samba in Knoppix and getting the whole hard drive shared out. Which is an excellent way to rescue files.
Eric
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 08:55 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
Yes. Use the first CD of your set or the DVD and when it boots select the rescue mode. When it comes up it will try to connect to the Linux partition of your choice. Choose to mount to the Linux that has the lost files. Find the things you need. Now decide what you want to do with the files. You can mount another file system and then copy the files to that.
Karl
Does rescue mode have an ability to mount ntfs formatted disks? That was what was needed in the original problem I posted.
--
Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
As far as I can tell, 'mount' can not work with a windows filesystem even in F7. I thought by now that had been added but no.
Karl
yes it has. Just install ntfs-3g -- ======================================================================= I'd horsewhip you if I had a horse. -- Groucho Marx ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On 7/19/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
My brother-in-law uses Windows XP and his system crashed making his Documents unavailable. He saw how expensive disk recovery could be when a local Linux user volunteered to recover the documents for him.
Now here is a whole new use for Linux and there is money in it somewhere.
Certainly a great use for Linux. Hardly new however. I've been a member of a Linux forensics list serv for a few years now. I know of a commercial Linux application for forensics/data recovery that runs off a forensically sound Linux boot CD that has been around for over 15 years according to the author of the tool. Its primary world wide user base are forensic practitionners.
My home system dual boots. I had to boot into FC a few years ago to do some data recovery on my MS Windows partition/drive. In absence of dual boot I would have used a boot CD. Also a great way to trouble shoot other problems as well. Boot into a Live CD and see if it works from there. If so you've determined that the issue is with the OS, not your local hardware, nor with some hardware or software up the line. For example if your high speed Internet doesn't seem to work. Boot a Linux live CD and see if it propoerly connects to the Internet. If so you've eliminated hardware as your problem and now know it's most likely a configuration or driver issue.
You can also use a live CD with an up to date antivirus application to scan your system and try and clean a virus that seems to be eluding your AV on the box. Likewise if travelling and using an unknown system to access your email or online banking you can use a live Linux CD so that you know the OS is clean and free from any spyware/keyloggers.
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