1:20 p.m.
I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way?
Where do I find an instruction for doing that?
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux
11:33 p.m.
On 07.12.2013 02:02, David wrote:
On 12/6/2013 1:31 PM, poma wrote:
> On 06.12.2013 04:49, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
>>>> On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like
to be
>>>>> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
>>>>> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any
instructions for
>>>>> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me
how
>>>>> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I
just
>>>>> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should
be a way?
>>>>
>>>> F20 ain't an official, so
>>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> poma
>>>
>>>
>>> A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
>>> an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
>>
>> Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of
>> being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide,
>> unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks.
>
> I think it would be fair to address a man to treatment, rather than a
> lesson in manners.
>
>
> poma
>
>
To you speek 'today'?
Bite me.
You proved to be a pathological liar.
I wish I could help you, but there are institutions and people who can help.
On the other hand I do not know whether there is a cure for your malice.
Despite all this, I wish you a good life.
Godspeed.
poma
7:02 p.m.
On 12/6/2013 1:31 PM, poma wrote:
On 06.12.2013 04:49, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote:
>> On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
>>> On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to
be
>>>> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
>>>> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions
for
>>>> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
>>>> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I
just
>>>> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be
a way?
>>>
>>> F20 ain't an official, so
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>>>
>>>
>>> poma
>>
>>
>> A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
>> an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
>
> Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of
> being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide,
> unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks.
I think it would be fair to address a man to treatment, rather than a
lesson in manners.
poma
To you speek 'today'?
Bite me.
--
David
12:31 p.m.
On 06.12.2013 04:49, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote:
> On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
>> On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>>>
>>> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
>>> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
>>> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
>>> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
>>> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
>>> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a
way?
>>
>> F20 ain't an official, so
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>>
>>
>> poma
>
>
> A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
> an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of
being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide,
unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks.
I think it would be fair to address a man to treatment, rather than a
lesson in manners.
poma
9:11 p.m.
On 12/5/2013 10:02 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 05/12/13 21:15, poma wrote:
> F20 ain't an official, so
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>
>
> poma
But the problem is that Fedora-19 wont boot, forget F-20b! Got to fix
F-19's grub.
Can't say about Fedora 19 so this is a 'try this' and I really don't
like 'try this' suggestions.
But... In the past I have booted the *same version* disk and told it to
*update*. Nothing gets updated since all is the same or newer but Grub
gets rewritten.
YMMV but it has worked for m in the past.
--
David
4:37 a.m.
> Actually I think the present situation might really be preferred
[by
> me]. Much like bringing up the BIOS setup screen with DEL at turn on
> I press "F9" and get a boot menu, select the hard drive I want and
> proceed with one of the grub screens, different but not a real
> problem. I kind of like the idea of completely separate systems. I
> also have a copy of F20b in a VMware VM which works well enough using
> XFCE instead of the unfathomable Gnome3.
Aahh, finally! Simple is beautiful. "<F12>: BOOT MENU Boot Menu allows
you to set the first boot device without entering BIOS Setup. In Boot
Menu, use the up arrow key <↑> or the down arrow key <↓> to select the
first boot device, then press <Enter> to accept. To exit Boot Menu,
press <Esc>. The system will directly boot from the device configured
in Boot Menu. …" F20!? Not again!
Almost right and that is the way I have done it for
years---However---
Ubuntu upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 found the Fedora 16 and included it
in the Grub boot. Because I forgot to take the side of my computer box
and pull the cable from the hard drive before upgrading.
Now that it's grub has
been discombobulated it will not boot from F12.
Good thought though.
Roger
2:23 a.m.
On 06/12/13 00:34, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia,
USA" <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
> I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other systems
like Windows does?
No installer should overwrite itself or another system without it being clear it's
doing so, or ideally only possible by explicit action by the user. Otherwise it's bad
design or a bug. Much consideration went into the new installer UI specifically to make it
more clear when existing data is going to be removed.
Chris Murphy
I'll have to run the installer without actually going beyond the point
of writing to disk. I remember there were three items to delete but I
think they were all on the "new" HD [on which I had done rm -fr *] and I
just clicked delete for them all. I still have a mental image but can't
read the details!
Actually I think the present situation might really be preferred [by
me]. Much like bringing up the BIOS setup screen with DEL at turn on I
press "F9" and get a boot menu, select the hard drive I want and proceed
with one of the grub screens, different but not a real problem. I kind
of like the idea of completely separate systems. I also have a copy of
F20b in a VMware VM which works well enough using XFCE instead of the
unfathomable Gnome3.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux
12:17 a.m.
On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Roger <arelem(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:48 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> On 05/12/13 22:33, Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other
systems like Windows does? Something has changed ...
>>>
>>> Bob
>> Doesn't usually overwrite unless told to.. hope nothing's changes with
the install?
>> roger
>
> I thought I knew how to deal with the installer having done it a number of times now
but apparently I did something wrong. I updated it too, so I hesitate to re-install. The
install was on a separate drive that I had cleared completely. I didn't expect it to
wipe out grub, thought it would add the new system. It didn't. Well it really
didn't wipe out grub, just created another one. No matter, not what I expected.
>
> Bob
>
This seems reminiscent of a problem I ran into some months ago.
I have Fedora 16 on a separate hard drive, Ubuntu 13.04 on mainHD and a partition on that
HD for Fedora 19.
I did something I should not have with Fedora 19, don't remember what. Anyway I used
the iso on the usb stick to re install Fedora 19 without overwriting core or home, It
rebuilt grub as expected but in doing so also rebuilt the Fedora 16 grub making it
unusable plus it seems to have installed a new Fedora 19 somewhere.
When I get an chance I'll investigate the partitions and LVM to find what is
happening.
I can access Fedora 16 files but cannot boot into it. A salient lesson.
Yet another example of bad multiboot UX and why VM's are so useful. But anyway, if you
want to boot Fedora 16, doing this ought to work:
Boot Fedora 19. And then assemble the parts of Fedora 16 at /mnt. So something like this:
1. Make sure the LV's are active with lvscan, using lvchange if necessary.
2. mount the F16 root LV at /mnt
3. mount the F16 boot at /mnt/boot
4. run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
That ought to cause mkconfig to find the F16 installation, its fstsab, and create an entry
for it in the F19 grub.cfg. If it doesn't work, from Fedora 19 download bootinfoscript
and run it, then post the report somewhere like pastebin.com and post the URL here.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
Chris Murphy
11:54 p.m.
On 12/06/2013 02:48 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 05/12/13 22:33, Roger wrote:
>>
>> I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite
>> other systems like Windows does? Something has changed ...
>>
>> Bob
> Doesn't usually overwrite unless told to.. hope nothing's changes
> with the install?
> roger
I thought I knew how to deal with the installer having done it a
number of times now but apparently I did something wrong. I updated it
too, so I hesitate to re-install. The install was on a separate drive
that I had cleared completely. I didn't expect it to wipe out grub,
thought it would add the new system. It didn't. Well it really didn't
wipe out grub, just created another one. No matter, not what I expected.
Bob
This seems reminiscent of a problem I ran into some months ago.
I have Fedora 16 on a separate hard drive, Ubuntu 13.04 on mainHD and a
partition on that HD for Fedora 19.
I did something I should not have with Fedora 19, don't remember what.
Anyway I used the iso on the usb stick to re install Fedora 19 without
overwriting core or home, It rebuilt grub as expected but in doing so
also rebuilt the Fedora 16 grub making it unusable plus it seems to have
installed a new Fedora 19 somewhere.
When I get an chance I'll investigate the partitions and LVM to find
what is happening.
I can access Fedora 16 files but cannot boot into it. A salient lesson.
Roger
11:46 p.m.
On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:41 PM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A Live-CD (DVD) will, all that I know of, *always* over write an
existing install.
That's definitely not the default behavior with the Fedora installer since Fedora 18.
With Fedora 17 and older, the default option was to replace existing Linux, and it was
plainly marked with other options described on the same window.
That I know of anyway, They are a 'write this to the
disk' system. It has been a long time but I (me!) do not know of a
Live-CD that does disk partitioning.
On Fedora, the same installer is used for live desktop and DVD installs. It has the same
partitioning functionality in either case.
The older installer for live installs was limited to rootfs being ext4 because the live
file system was imaged to the target partition or LV, and then resized as a post install
operation. That hasn't been the case since F18's installer, which uses rsync for
live installs, and will install to whatever file system and layout that the installer
supports (which is the same as for DVD and netinstall images).
Now you mentioned Windows. *If* you have Windows install you need to
'shrink' the Windows section and make a place for the Linux to be installed.
If you have Win 7 it has a disk partitioning program to do that
included. Else you will have to use something else.
Fedora 19 and 20 support [1] resizing NTFS volumes in both the guided and custom
partitioning paths. In Fedora 18 my recollection was that the guided path had no UI for
choosing how much to shrink the volume by. Whereas the UI in F19 and F20 is much more
obvious in the guided path, with a shrink button that reveals a slider to choose the
shrink amount.
In custom partitioning, when you click on the NTFS volume, there's no obvious UI for
resizing, but the volume size field can be edited. Click on that, and enter a smaller
value, and this will cause free space to be made available from which you can specify new
mount points for a new installation.
In all cases with the new installer UI, all layout changes merely create an edit list.
Nothing is changed on disk until you click the Begin Installation button from the hub (the
main menu).
Chris Murphy
[1] This is a best effort support case, as the installer doesn't actually do the
resizing, it's done via the NTFS-3G. But it is a test case for Fedora QA so it does
get some testing and ought to work.
11:34 p.m.
On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA"
<bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other systems like
Windows does?
No installer should overwrite itself or another system without it being clear it's
doing so, or ideally only possible by explicit action by the user. Otherwise it's bad
design or a bug. Much consideration went into the new installer UI specifically to make it
more clear when existing data is going to be removed.
Chris Murphy
10:02 p.m.
On 12/5/2013 10:49 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote:
> On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
>> On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>>>
>>> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
>>> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
>>> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
>>> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
>>> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
>>> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a
way?
>>
>> F20 ain't an official, so
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>>
>>
>> poma
>
>
> A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
> an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of
being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide,
unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks.
Sure Paul. Did you tell him too? He started the insults several days
ago. My post was a reaction.
IMHO? And his posts are a good way to run of users.
--
David
9:49 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote:
On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
> On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>>
>> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
>> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
>> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
>> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
>> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
>> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way?
>
> F20 ain't an official, so
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>
>
> poma
A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of
being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide,
unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks.
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com
9:41 p.m.
On 12/5/2013 10:20 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 05/12/13 22:11, David wrote:
>> >
>> > But the problem is that Fedora-19 wont boot, forget F-20b! Got to fix
>> > F-19's grub.
>> >
> Can't say about Fedora 19 so this is a 'try this' and I really don't
> like 'try this' suggestions.
>
> But... In the past I have booted the *same version* disk and told it to
> *update*. Nothing gets updated since all is the same or newer but Grub
> gets rewritten.
>
> YMMV but it has worked for m in the past.
>
> -- David
I was going to try that but didn't have an install disk, I probably
installed from a Live Spin using a USB thumb drive. Can make another one
when I feel motivated, in the mean time I have a good work around.
I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other
systems like Windows does? Something has changed ...
A Live-CD (DVD) will, all that I know of, *always* over write an
existing install. That I know of anyway, They are a 'write this to the
disk' system. It has been a long time but I (me!) do not know of a
Live-CD that does disk partitioning. Maybe
Now you mentioned Windows. *If* you have Windows install you need to
'shrink' the Windows section and make a place for the Linux to be installed.
If you have Win 7 it has a disk partitioning program to do that
included. Else you will have to use something else.
--
David
9:33 p.m.
On 12/06/2013 02:20 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 05/12/13 22:11, David wrote:
>> >
>> > But the problem is that Fedora-19 wont boot, forget F-20b! Got to fix
>> > F-19's grub.
>> >
> Can't say about Fedora 19 so this is a 'try this' and I really don't
> like 'try this' suggestions.
>
> But... In the past I have booted the *same version* disk and told it to
> *update*. Nothing gets updated since all is the same or newer but Grub
> gets rewritten.
>
> YMMV but it has worked for m in the past.
>
> -- David
I was going to try that but didn't have an install disk, I probably
installed from a Live Spin using a USB thumb drive. Can make another
one when I feel motivated, in the mean time I have a good work around.
I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other
systems like Windows does? Something has changed ...
Bob
Doesn't usually overwrite unless told to.. hope nothing's changes with
the install?
roger
9:20 p.m.
On 05/12/13 22:11, David wrote:
> >
> > But the problem is that Fedora-19 wont boot, forget F-20b! Got to fix
> > F-19's grub.
> >
Can't say about Fedora 19 so this is a 'try this' and I really don't
like 'try this' suggestions.
But... In the past I have booted the *same version* disk and told it to
*update*. Nothing gets updated since all is the same or newer but Grub
gets rewritten.
YMMV but it has worked for m in the past.
-- David
I was going to try that but didn't have an install disk, I probably installed from a
Live Spin using a USB thumb drive. Can make another one when I feel motivated, in the mean
time I have a good work around.
I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other systems like
Windows does? Something has changed ...
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux
9:02 p.m.
On 05/12/13 21:15, poma wrote:
F20 ain't an official, so
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
poma
But the problem is that Fedora-19 wont boot, forget F-20b! Got to fix
F-19's grub.
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux
8:27 p.m.
On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote:
On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>
> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
> able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
> already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
> doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
> to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
> don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way?
F20 ain't an official, so
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
poma
A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and
an a$$hole or where you just born this way?
--
David
8:15 p.m.
On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way?
F20 ain't an official, so
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
poma
5:03 p.m.
On 05/12/13 14:30, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
Maybe this will help you (section: How to test):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_repository_Hard_drive_...
Mateusz Marzantowicz
--
Well I couldn't make that work, after messing for a while I figured
dvd's are cheaper than my time and burnt the dvd. I had not problem
installing in VMware from the iso a few weeks ago?
Anyway that worked, I installed the f20beta on the second drive,
/dev/sdb but the installer messed up the boot routine and now I have to
press F9 at turn-on to get a boot screen enabling me to boot the first
drive for F19.
I guess I need to learn how to fix grub although this will work for the
present since I imagine I wont need F19 much longer once F20 is released.
Thanks,
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux
1:30 p.m.
On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be
able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file
already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for
doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how
to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just
don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way?
Where do I find an instruction for doing that?
Bob
Maybe this will help you (section: How to test):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_repository_Hard_drive_...
Mateusz Marzantowicz
3:15 a.m.
On 06.12.2013 09:23, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
Actually I think the present situation might really be preferred [by
me]. Much like bringing up the BIOS setup screen with DEL at turn on I
press "F9" and get a boot menu, select the hard drive I want and proceed
with one of the grub screens, different but not a real problem. I kind
of like the idea of completely separate systems. I also have a copy of
F20b in a VMware VM which works well enough using XFCE instead of the
unfathomable Gnome3.
Aahh, finally!
Simple is beautiful.
"<F12>: BOOT MENU
Boot Menu allows you to set the first boot device without entering BIOS
Setup. In Boot Menu, use the up arrow key <↑> or the down arrow key <↓>
to select the first boot device, then press <Enter> to accept. To exit
Boot Menu, press <Esc>. The system will directly boot from the device
configured in Boot Menu. …"
F20!? Not again!
Haha
poma
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Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday
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1:16 a.m.
On 07.12.2013, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like
to be able
to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file already on
this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for doing
this.
You could install F20 from an USB-stick, as a simple alternative.
1. isohybrid fedora20.iso
2. cat fedora20.iso > /dev/sdX (the device name of your stick)
3. Set BIOS to boot from your stick
Isohybrid is in the syslinux package.
6:52 a.m.
Quoting Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org>:
On 08.12.2013, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> just from the above, what is the purpose of running "isohybrid"
> in step 1 when you just do a raw copy of the ISO image to the
> USB drive in step 2?
Isohybrid makes the image a "hybrid", being bootable from both CD and
a USB-drive.
ah, so it modifies the ISO image in place, does it?
rday
6:05 a.m.
Quoting Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org>:
On 07.12.2013, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be able
> to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file already on
> this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for doing
> this.
You could install F20 from an USB-stick, as a simple alternative.
1. isohybrid fedora20.iso
2. cat fedora20.iso > /dev/sdX (the device name of your stick)
3. Set BIOS to boot from your stick
Isohybrid is in the syslinux package.
just from the above, what is the purpose of running "isohybrid"
in step 1 when you just do a raw copy of the ISO image to the
USB drive in step 2?
rday
8:47 a.m.
On 08.12.2013 13:52, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
Quoting Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org>:
> On 08.12.2013, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>> just from the above, what is the purpose of running "isohybrid"
>> in step 1 when you just do a raw copy of the ISO image to the
>> USB drive in step 2?
>
> Isohybrid makes the image a "hybrid", being bootable from both CD and
> a USB-drive.
ah, so it modifies the ISO image in place, does it?
I never did anything with ISOs prior to writing them to USB. The only
difference is that I used dd instead of cat (but it doesn't matter in
this case).
Mateusz Marzantowicz
9:48 p.m.
On 05/12/13 22:33, Roger wrote:
>
> I thought Fedora Linux was a friendly install, didn't overwrite other
> systems like Windows does? Something has changed ...
>
> Bob
Doesn't usually overwrite unless told to.. hope nothing's changes with
the install?
roger
I thought I knew how to deal with the installer having done it a number
of times now but apparently I did something wrong. I updated it too, so
I hesitate to re-install. The install was on a separate drive that I had
cleared completely. I didn't expect it to wipe out grub, thought it
would add the new system. It didn't. Well it really didn't wipe out
grub, just created another one. No matter, not what I expected.
Bob
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7:34 a.m.
On 12/6/2013 12:46 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:41 PM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A Live-CD (DVD) will, all that I know of, *always* over write an
> existing install.
That's definitely not the default behavior with the Fedora installer since Fedora 18.
With Fedora 17 and older, the default option was to replace existing Linux, and it was
plainly marked with other options described on the same window.
> That I know of anyway, They are a 'write this to the
> disk' system. It has been a long time but I (me!) do not know of a
> Live-CD that does disk partitioning.
On Fedora, the same installer is used for live desktop and DVD installs. It has the same
partitioning functionality in either case.
The older installer for live installs was limited to rootfs being ext4 because the live
file system was imaged to the target partition or LV, and then resized as a post install
operation. That hasn't been the case since F18's installer, which uses rsync for
live installs, and will install to whatever file system and layout that the installer
supports (which is the same as for DVD and netinstall images).
> Now you mentioned Windows. *If* you have Windows install you need to
> 'shrink' the Windows section and make a place for the Linux to be installed.
>
> If you have Win 7 it has a disk partitioning program to do that
> included. Else you will have to use something else.
Fedora 19 and 20 support [1] resizing NTFS volumes in both the guided and custom
partitioning paths. In Fedora 18 my recollection was that the guided path had no UI for
choosing how much to shrink the volume by. Whereas the UI in F19 and F20 is much more
obvious in the guided path, with a shrink button that reveals a slider to choose the
shrink amount.
In custom partitioning, when you click on the NTFS volume, there's no obvious UI for
resizing, but the volume size field can be edited. Click on that, and enter a smaller
value, and this will cause free space to be made available from which you can specify new
mount points for a new installation.
In all cases with the new installer UI, all layout changes merely create an edit list.
Nothing is changed on disk until you click the Begin Installation button from the hub (the
main menu).
Chris Murphy
[1] This is a best effort support case, as the installer doesn't actually do the
resizing, it's done via the NTFS-3G. But it is a test case for Fedora QA so it does
get some testing and ought to work.
That is a real improvement. I have looked at several Live-CD/DVDs but I
can not ever recall installing one. I, personally, prefer fresh
installs. I find is much easier to reconfigure a few things than to find
and repair some odd-ball problem casued by a mixture of old and new
settings.
Maybe it's just me but I prefer to *use* my Linux install(s) than to
constantly be *fixing* them. :-)
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