Fedora upgrade to 30 sluggish X startup then upgrade to 31 grey screen after login

[Mr Brian Domenick]

Hi,

I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am 
using nouveau driver. The laptop runs generally fine but from version 
30. It became slow to startup X and to get to the login screen. After 
you login on 30 it takes longer to start desktop then it used to, but it 
comes up and works fine. If i upgrade to 31, it takes a real long time 
to get to the X login screen and after I login all I get is a grey 
background. In this mode vty's are dead also. I have upgraded and 
reinstalled several times. Interestingly on one occasion I was able to 
login to 31 after a long delay and upgrade from 31 and I upgraded to 
rawhide and that worked except there were other application issues that 
made it a no go for me. After a number of reinstalls and upgrade tests 
Fedora 31 will usually not work correctly for me. Any thoughts? This 
laptop has been running Fedora since the day after it was purchased in 
2018 with no problems.

inxi -GxxSMza System: Host: localhost.localdomain Kernel: 
5.3.16-200.fc30.x86_64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.2.1 
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=(hd0,gpt2)/vmlinuz-5.3.16-200.fc30.x86_64 
root=UUID=b6536622-cf7c-4017-a3ef-3d3787173fb2 ro 
resume=/dev/mapper/luks-323281ed-242f-40db-85cb-75ab350dbb43 
rd.lvm.lv=fedora/root 
rd.luks.uuid=luks-9df55de6-b8fe-4b3a-a5d3-6f0005285968 
rd.lvm.lv=fedora/swap 
rd.luks.uuid=luks-323281ed-242f-40db-85cb-75ab350dbb43 rhgb quiet 
Desktop: Gnome 3.32.2 wm: gnome-shell dm: GDM Distro: Fedora release 30 
(Thirty) Machine: Type: Convertible System: HP product: HP Spectre x360 
Convertible 15-ch0xx v: N/A serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 31 serial: 
<filter> Mobo: HP model: 83BA v: 57.20 serial: <filter> UEFI: AMI v: 
F.04 date: 01/23/2018 Graphics: Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: 
Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 
8086:5917 Device-2: NVIDIA GP108M [GeForce MX150] vendor: 
Hewlett-Packard driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 
10de:1d10 Display: wayland server: Fedora Project X.org 1.20.5 driver: 
nouveau compositor: gnome-shell resolution: 3840x2160~60Hz OpenGL: 
renderer: Mesa DRI Intel UHD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 
19.1.8 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide,

Brian

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am 
> using nouveau driver.

AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.

poc

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/22/20 3:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am
> > using nouveau driver.
>
> AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.

That was my first thought as well, but if you look at the included 
system information, he has both.  It's a hybrid system.  I've strictly 
avoided those, so I'm unable offer any further help.

[Mr Brian Domenick]

Believe me, I am with you on avoiding them. Unfortunately, it was one of 
the few 4k laptops that had the integrated graphics at a reasonable cost 
with an I7. I have been looking to replace it and nobody seems to be 
giving you that trio these days. I would love a ryzen 7 but that only 
comes with really middle of the road hardware.

Thanks anyway,

Brian

On 1/22/20 4:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 1/22/20 3:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > > I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am
> > > using nouveau driver.
> >
> > AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.
>
> That was my first thought as well, but if you look at the included 
> system information, he has both.  It's a hybrid system.  I've strictly 
> avoided those, so I'm unable offer any further help.
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[Joe Zeff]

On 01/22/2020 04:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am
> > using nouveau driver.
>
> AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.

Yes.  If the OP is actually using the nouveau driver, that's probably 
what's causing all the problems.

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-01-23 07:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am 
> > using nouveau driver.
>
> AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.

Well, his inxi output does show his system has both....

Graphics: Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915

and

Device-2: NVIDIA GP108M [GeForce MX150] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1d10

But contrary to what he states about X, we also see...

Display: wayland server: Fedora Project X.org 1.20.5 driver: nouveau

So, I wonder if he could disable one of the devices and see if there is a difference. Potentially also disable Wayland in the /etc/gdm/custom.conf

[Mr Brian Domenick]

Hi,

Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not 
on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?

Brian

On 1/22/20 4:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-01-23 07:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 13:27 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > > I have an Hp Spectre 360 from 2018 with intel integrated graphics. I am
> > > using nouveau driver.
> >
> > AFAIK Nouveau is for Nvidia GPUs, not for Intel integrated graphics.
>
> Well, his inxi output does show his system has both....
>
> Graphics: Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915
>
> and
>
> Device-2: NVIDIA GP108M [GeForce MX150] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1d10
>
> But contrary to what he states about X, we also see...
>
> Display: wayland server: Fedora Project X.org 1.20.5 driver: nouveau
>
> So, I wonder if he could disable one of the devices and see if there is a difference. Potentially also disable Wayland in the /etc/gdm/custom.conf

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-01-23 09:05, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?

The primary display may be running Wayland and not Xorg.

Which I why I suggested disabling Wayland in GDM.  Of course I am assuming you're using gdm/GNOME.

[Mr Brian Domenick]

Hi,

Thanks, I have tried all the different login options. I received the 
grey screen, no matter what. If nouveau is crashing, who do I report it 
to ? Fedora Bugzilla ?

Thanks,

Brian

On 1/22/20 5:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-01-23 09:05, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but 
> > not on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
>
> The primary display may be running Wayland and not Xorg.
>
> Which I why I suggested disabling Wayland in GDM.  Of course I am 
> assuming you're using gdm/GNOME.
>
> -- 
> The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions.

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-01-23 09:42, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> Thanks, I have tried all the different login options. I received the grey screen, no matter what. If nouveau is crashing, who do I report it to ? Fedora Bugzilla ?

Yes, to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not 
> on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?

You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.

modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau

Try editing the boot menu entry by hitting 'e' when the menu appears at
boot, then adding the above to the line starting 'linux' and hit Ctrl-x

If this works, the problem is with the Nouveau driver.

poc

[Brian Domenick]

Thanks, I can try that, but as I posted from dmesg multiple crashes inside.
Did you see that in my email?

Thanks Brian

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 4:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not
> > on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
>
> You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.
>
> modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau
>
> Try editing the boot menu entry by hitting 'e' when the menu appears at
> boot, then adding the above to the line starting 'linux' and hit Ctrl-x
>
> If this works, the problem is with the Nouveau driver.
>
> poc
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[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not
> > on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
>
> You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.
>
> modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau

The other option would be to try the binary nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion.
I've used them for years for good deinterlacing of 1080i TV with MythTV and
light gaming.

Thanks,
Richard

[Brian Domenick]

Hi, If I blacklist what will be my driver? Thanks.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:24 AM Richard Shaw  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> > > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not
> > > on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
> >
> > You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.
> >
> > modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau
>
> The other option would be to try the binary nvidia drivers from RPM
> Fusion. I've used them for years for good deinterlacing of 1080i TV with
> MythTV and light gaming.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-01-24 05:06, Brian Domenick wrote:
> Hi, If I blacklist what will be my driver? Thanks.

Should be using

Graphics: Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v:
kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:5917

So, i915 and Intel HW.
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:24 AM Richard Shaw <[e-mail] > wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
>     > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not
>     > on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
>
>     You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.
>
>     modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau
>
>
> The other option would be to try the binary nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion. I've used them for years for good deinterlacing of 1080i TV with MythTV and light gaming. 
>
> Thanks,
> Richard 
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[Mr Brian Domenick]

Thank you, that solved my delayed login in 30. I updated using grubby 
the boot menu. I am now in the process of upgrading to 31 and 
optimistic. Thanks to all.

Brian

On 1/23/20 1:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-01-24 05:06, Brian Domenick wrote:
> > Hi, If I blacklist what will be my driver? Thanks.
>
> Should be using
>
> Graphics: Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v:
> kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:5917
>
> So, i915 and Intel HW.
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:24 AM Richard Shaw <[e-mail] > wrote:
> >  On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >      On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:05 -0800, Mr Brian Domenick wrote:
> >      > Thanks, I know on some laptops you can bios disable the nvidia, but not
> >      > on this one. What is showing thats contrary to what I said ?
> >
> >      You can blacklist the Nouveau driver in the kernel boot line using e.g.
> >
> >      modprobe.blacklist=nouveau rd.blacklist=nouveau
> >
> >
> >  The other option would be to try the binary nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion. I've used them for years for good deinterlacing of 1080i TV with MythTV and light gaming.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >  Richard
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[Andrew J. Caines]

Brian,
FWIW, I'm running my single HDMI-via-dock-connected UHD display at
3840x2160@30Hz out of the Fedora 31 box with Wayland on a Dell Latitude
5500 with Intel UHD Graphics 620 and a Core i5-8365U.

----8<----
$ sudo lshw -class video
  *-display
       description: VGA compatible controller
       product: UHD Graphics 620 (Whiskey Lake)
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 2
       bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
       version: 02
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master
cap_list rom
       configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
       resources: irq:130 memory:90000000-90ffffff
memory:80000000-8fffffff ioport:3000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
$ xrandr --query | head -3
Screen 0: minimum 16 x 16, current 3840 x 2160, maximum 32767 x 32767
XWAYLAND1 connected 3840x2160+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
axis) 710mm x 400mm
   3840x2160     29.98*+
----8<----

Don't explect much of unaccelerated UHD video or 3D performance.

While I've not used it for some time, I've had many years of good
results from Nvidia's proprietary driver, however it relied on 32 bit
components which would be unsuitable today.

[Mr Brian Domenick]

Thanks to all who assisted me. I am now running Fedora 31 on Intel 
graphic with i915 driver. I blacklisted permanently with grubby Nouveau 
and that resolved my issue with upgrading on slowness for login to come 
up in fedora 30 and 31 and grey screen after login in 31.

Brian

On 1/23/20 2:50 PM, Andrew J. Caines wrote:
> Brian,
> FWIW, I'm running my single HDMI-via-dock-connected UHD display at
> 3840x2160@30Hz out of the Fedora 31 box with Wayland on a Dell Latitude
> 5500 with Intel UHD Graphics 620 and a Core i5-8365U.
>
> ----8<----
> $ sudo lshw -class video
>    *-display
>         description: VGA compatible controller
>         product: UHD Graphics 620 (Whiskey Lake)
>         vendor: Intel Corporation
>         physical id: 2
>         bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
>         version: 02
>         width: 64 bits
>         clock: 33MHz
>         capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master
> cap_list rom
>         configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
>         resources: irq:130 memory:90000000-90ffffff
> memory:80000000-8fffffff ioport:3000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
> $ xrandr --query | head -3
> Screen 0: minimum 16 x 16, current 3840 x 2160, maximum 32767 x 32767
> XWAYLAND1 connected 3840x2160+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
> axis) 710mm x 400mm
>     3840x2160     29.98*+
> ----8<----
>
> Don't explect much of unaccelerated UHD video or 3D performance.
>
> While I've not used it for some time, I've had many years of good
> results from Nvidia's proprietary driver, however it relied on 32 bit
> components which would be unsuitable today.