Upon booting this morning I found that I had been updated to firefox-57.0.1-1.fc27.x86_64. I have been keeping Firefox downgraded [to version 52 whatever] with dnf upgrade --exclude firefox. Dnf now refuses to downgrade below version 57.
Am I really stuck with this or is there a way around it?
Bob
On 12/15/17 17:29, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Upon booting this morning I found that I had been updated to firefox-57.0.1-1.fc27.x86_64. I have been keeping Firefox downgraded [to version 52 whatever] with dnf upgrade --exclude firefox. Dnf now refuses to downgrade below version 57.
Am I really stuck with this or is there a way around it?
Well, you are running F27 and F27 was released with FF at 57.0b12 so that would be the lowest version in the fedora repo.
If you were using FF 52 that version is from September 2016 until its EOL in March of 2017.
It looks like no version of Fedora was released with FF52 and no version went EOL with FF52. But you can search the archives at http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/%C2%A0 and find FF50 and FF54.
I guess the bigger question is why do you require such an old version?
On 12/15/17 05:50, Ed Greshko wrote:
Am I really stuck with this or is there a way around it?
Well, you are running F27 and F27 was released with FF at 57.0b12 so that would be the lowest version in the fedora repo.
If you were using FF 52 that version is from September 2016 until its EOL in March of 2017.
. Well let's call that a typo, it was probably version 56, but when I first installed F-27 I found that things I needed don't work with Fedora 27 and I simply did dnf downgrade Firefox, subsequent to that I tried it again, decided I didn't want it, and downgraded again. That process results in an earlier version of Firefox 57 now.
It looks like no version of Fedora was released with FF52 and no version went EOL with FF52. But you can search the archives at http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/ and find FF50 and FF54.
. Thanks for that suggestion, I will look for version 56 which is probably what I was using until yesterday. I don't know exactly how the update came about but it resulted from a panic after one of the critters I live with crawled under the desk and dislodged a plug, I awoke to a UPS alarm and shut down the offender after which a lot of troubleshooting activity began followed by a sticking trackball button/switch and more confusion. This morning a loose video cable plug, all part of the same episode. This may all be attributable to the alignment of the planets perhaps?
I guess the bigger question is why do you require such an old version?
. Some of the add-ons I need stopped working with Firefox 57.
Again, thank you for the help,
Bob
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:29:38 -0500 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
Upon booting this morning I found that I had been updated to firefox-57.0.1-1.fc27.x86_64. I have been keeping Firefox downgraded [to version 52 whatever] with dnf upgrade --exclude firefox. Dnf now refuses to downgrade below version 57.
Am I really stuck with this or is there a way around it?
You can go here, https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37 download the version you want, and install it with dnf -C downgrade [downloaded package name] from within the directory where the downloaded package is.
But you will be fighting a losing battle, unless you turn off automatic add-ons update. Add-ons that are converting to the new api will update if you don't, and then they won't work with the old api, even on the older firefox version. And there will be no way to downgrade them because there is only a single version in the Mozilla repository, the latest.
On 12/15/17 11:35, stan wrote:
You can go here, https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37 download the version you want, and install it with dnf -C downgrade [downloaded package name] from within the directory where the downloaded package is.
But you will be fighting a losing battle, unless you turn off automatic add-ons update. Add-ons that are converting to the new api will update if you don't, and then they won't work with the old api, even on the older firefox version. And there will be no way to downgrade them because there is only a single version in the Mozilla repository, the latest.
. Ok, I found a copy of FF-56 and I am using that now:
# rpm -Uvh /home/bobg/Desktop/firefox-56.0-5.fc27.x86_64.rpm
Apparently I had a moment of foresight and saved a copy!
"turn off automatic add-ons update." That might explain what happened, one of the add-ons proudly announced it had updated yesterday. I will make sure they are all set to not update automatically.
I will save your suggestion for future use though. Also I hope that Firefox will eventually be able to use the add-ons I need, I check that periodically but in the meantime will continue to exclude firefox from my routine morning updates.
Thanks,
Bob
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:36:13 -0500 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
Also I hope that Firefox will eventually be able to use the add-ons I need, I check that periodically but in the meantime will continue to exclude firefox from my routine morning updates.
That depends. There are some add-ons that are completely incompatible with the new interface, and will never be converted. I've seen lists when searching on the topic - from what I could see, I don't use any of those.
And some will have compromised functionality - the video downloaders are a case in point. They no longer have access to the video stream logic in firefox, so have to use an external app, and it is problematic to say the least.
Some have decided not to make the switch, and many of those are being supplanted by new entrants. Mozilla has a recommended replacement page, though again, not everything has a replacement there.
This is a mess, to be sure. And I think firefox lost important functionality in the switch.
Wouldn't it be possible for Fedora Project to add Firefox-ESR to the repository? A user could then dnf install firefox-esr and be on ver 52.5 with all the old add-ins?
On 12/15/2017 01:15 PM, stan wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:36:13 -0500 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
Also I hope that Firefox will eventually be able to use the add-ons I need, I check that periodically but in the meantime will continue to exclude firefox from my routine morning updates.
That depends. There are some add-ons that are completely incompatible with the new interface, and will never be converted. I've seen lists when searching on the topic - from what I could see, I don't use any of those.
And some will have compromised functionality - the video downloaders are a case in point. They no longer have access to the video stream logic in firefox, so have to use an external app, and it is problematic to say the least.
Some have decided not to make the switch, and many of those are being supplanted by new entrants. Mozilla has a recommended replacement page, though again, not everything has a replacement there.
This is a mess, to be sure. And I think firefox lost important functionality in the switch. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On 12/15/2017 12:32 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
Wouldn't it be possible for Fedora Project to add Firefox-ESR to the repository? A user could then dnf install firefox-esr and be on ver 52.5 with all the old add-ins?
The "Fedora Project" doesn't do anything. :-) You would have to find a packager that is interested in maintaining that. You could even do it yourself in COPR. There are several builds of Firefox there, but they are mostly nightly types, not ESR.
On 12/15/17 14:15, stan wrote:
Bob Goodwinbobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
Also I hope that Firefox will eventually be able to use the add-ons I need, I check that periodically but in the meantime will continue to exclude firefox from my routine morning updates.
That depends. There are some add-ons that are completely incompatible with the new interface, and will never be converted. I've seen lists when searching on the topic - from what I could see, I don't use any of those.
And some will have compromised functionality - the video downloaders are a case in point. They no longer have access to the video stream logic in firefox, so have to use an external app, and it is problematic to say the least.
Some have decided not to make the switch, and many of those are being supplanted by new entrants. Mozilla has a recommended replacement page, though again, not everything has a replacement there.
This is a mess, to be sure. And I think firefox lost important functionality in the switch.
+ Yes I've had poor results with copying various video files with the add-ons, sometimes they work ... But the essential thing for me is getting a display I can read, preferably white text on black as often as possible and larger text. My color perception is poor.
I use a desk top computer, rarely a "mobile device" and want things arranged on the screen for my convenience. And it's nice to be able to filter out some of the ads. As a result Firefox 56.0 does what I need to a reasonable degree.
The best results I get with an iPad are obtained by putting it in a CCTV reading device I have, puts it on a 24 inch display. So perhaps you can see what I am trying to do ...
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 02:32:05PM -0600, Sean Smith wrote:
Wouldn't it be possible for Fedora Project to add Firefox-ESR to the repository? A user could then dnf install firefox-esr and be on ver 52.5 with all the old add-ins?
It would be possible for anyone who wants to maintain that in Fedora to do so, yes. It's just that no one has stepped forward to do so.
Thank you for the replies Matthew and Samuel,
I've subscribed to the package-review list and am looking into the maintainers guidelines.
On 12/15/2017 03:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 02:32:05PM -0600, Sean Smith wrote:
Wouldn't it be possible for Fedora Project to add Firefox-ESR to the repository? A user could then dnf install firefox-esr and be on ver 52.5 with all the old add-ins?
It would be possible for anyone who wants to maintain that in Fedora to do so, yes. It's just that no one has stepped forward to do so.
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