Accessing a page on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/, I am presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content, log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser; I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their special rights to control the rest of us?
Dave Close composed on 2023-04-30 13:58 (UTC-0700):
Accessing a page on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/, I am presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content, log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser; I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their special rights to control the rest of us?
Broken web site! Fallback to "poor" content should always result when "rich" content is somehow blocked. I think it stinks for any non-financial web site to demand what software you use to access its site.
SeaMonkey users are among those subjected to this rudeness by discussion.fedoraproject.org, but they need only toggle off "use style" to enjoy the full page text unencumbered by text that isn't a perfect match to one's browser default size and family. Other browsers most likely have a similar toggle available.
On Sun, 2023-04-30 at 13:58 -0700, Dave Close wrote:
Accessing a page on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/, I am presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content, log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the page immediately visible.
Are we back in the 1990s, with browser-specific sites? And sites that do a stupid unrelated test on a browser to determine your worthiness to view the site? Ooh, you're not accepting cookies, so we'll complain you've got JavaScript disabled. Or we'll do some oddball JavaScript function test, that bears no relation to the abilities to show our site, then tell you to upgrade your browser.
This is like the stupidity of my security system: You can't browse to its control webpage, it insists you must use a version of Internet Explorer that was withdrawn from service a few years before this device was ever built.
Am 30.04.2023 um 22:58 schrieb Dave Close dave@compata.com:
Accessing a page on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/, I am presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content, log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser; I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
That sounds strange. What browser are you using? fedoraproject.org as well as discussion.fedoraproject.org use fairly w3c compliant technology.
I can even „use“ the site with a non-graphical text browser, e.g. lynx discussion.fedoraproject.org
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their special rights to control the rest of us?
They don’t ‚control‘ you. They just check, if your browser it technically capable to render the site content. If not, they provide a „minimal view“, check e.g. lynx.
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In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible, so it's not surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears to be heavily under construction.
On 1 May 2023, at 13:54, Andre Robatino robatino@fedoraproject.org wrote:
In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible, so it's not surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears to be heavily under construction.
I can access both sites with firefox on fedora and they look good and ate interactive.
What do you mean by barely legible?
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It's hard to describe, but https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's a reference above to turning off "use style" but I don't know what that means or if that has anything to do with the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults in order to view a Fedora-related site.
Andre Robatino wrote:
It's hard to describe, but https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's a reference above to turning off "use style" but I don't know what that means or if that has anything to do with the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults in order to view a Fedora-related site.
Are you using Firefox with the noscript plugin? Or a different browser, like Seamonkey?
If the former, I found that setting the site to "Trusted" was not enough. The "Custom" option had to be selected and the "unrestricted CSS" box had to be checked. Without that, the site did just as you describe, looking like this:
https://fedorapeople.org/~tmz/discourse.png
I've seen some other comment that things don't work with Seamonkey very well either.
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy javascript to function.
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript, and doing what you suggested worked. I've never had to do that with any other site as I've never seen any other site appear broken like this one.
Andre Robatino wrote:
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript, and doing what you suggested worked. I've never had to do that with any other site as I've never seen any other site appear broken like this one.
Yes, discourse is the first time I've run into this type of thing. It would often work if I reloaded the page a few times (somehow?!?). But with the custom rule, it loads properly all the time.
I still don't care much for it, but it's probably not going away, so I'll have to use it at least occasionally. :)
On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 17:05 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript, and doing what you suggested worked. I've never had to do that with any other site as I've never seen any other site appear broken like this one.
Just wanted to say thank you as well. I had just upgrade my no-script extension and was seeing the same issue. If I disabled no-script the page rendered just fine fine. Checking unrestricted CSS fixed the issue.
Charlie
Todd Zullinger composed on 2023-05-01 12:37 (UTC-0400):
Andre Robatino wrote:
It's hard to describe, but https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's a reference above to turning off "use style" but I don't know what that means or if that has anything to do with the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults in order to view a Fedora-related site.
Are you using Firefox with the noscript plugin? Or a different browser, like Seamonkey?
If the former, I found that setting the site to "Trusted" was not enough. The "Custom" option had to be selected and the "unrestricted CSS" box had to be checked. Without that, the site did just as you describe, looking like this:
https://fedorapeople.org/~tmz/discourse.png
I've seen some other comment that things don't work with Seamonkey very well either.
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy javascript to function.
No luck here finding anything to do with Custom or CSS in NoScript in SeaMonkey. :(
Felix Miata wrote:
No luck here finding anything to do with Custom or CSS in NoScript in SeaMonkey. :(
This may not help then, but here's what I have in noscript for discussion.fedoraproject.org:
https://fedorapeople.org/~tmz/discourse-noscript.png
It wasn't obvious to me where Custom was, I had to identify the icon on top with the S and the wrench. Hovering over that with the mouse says "Custom". I never had to do that with any other site. Some sites wouldn't load properly or at all without temporarily enabling Javascript, but this is the first time I had to locate and use Custom to make it work.
Actually, I used the Custom icon next to the specific site, there's a separate global one on top.
On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 12:37 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy javascript to function.
It's more than just an annoyance, that kind of thing makes them
* slow to load (comparatively speaking, though sometimes so damn slow it's unbelievable) * fragile * complicated * potentially more vulnerable to attack (especially when you just throw other people's dubious code into your site instead of writing your own) * computationally expensive to render * painfully tedious to navigate
I shouldn't need a 4 core 6 GHz PC to browse what's a mostly textual content kind of website.
Personally I dislike multi-columnar webpages. It's like playing a game of snakes and ladders to read the page when you have to scroll up and down, several times. Printed magazine formats ought to stay with printed magazines, where you *can* see the whole page in one go. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list.
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On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 12:54 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible, so it's not surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears to be heavily under construction.
Nothing jumps out at me as looking wrong.
Perhaps something was being changed and you have a partial stylesheet stuck in your cache. Try holding your shift key down and click on the reload button in your browser.
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