11:36 p.m.
mrsam(a)courier-mta.com wrote:
Two years from now, folks running older versions of RH or FC for
which
no glibc update was issued will have their clocks stop showing correct
time for most of the year.
That's because Washington has screwed around with Daylight Savings
Time, again. They don't have anything better to do inside the Beltway,
apparently.
I always thought that daylight time was a joke. It's totally stupid,
and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I am aware of the official
excuse for daylight time, but I still think it's stupid, it's dumb,
and idiotic. If anyone is really serious about saving energy, they
should simply change the timezone permanently.
Starting in 2007, the so-called "standard time" will actually be in
effect for less than half a year. Standard time won't really be the
standard most of the time. Isn't it amazing? The US is now the
laughing stock of the entire world. You can almost see everyone point
their fingers across the Atlantic: “Those dumb yanks, they can't even
make up their mind what time of day it is, most of the time!”
As a non-morning person, I've always said, "The early worm deserves the
bird." Daylight savings time is like trying to make a blanket longer by
cutting a foot of material off the bottom of the blanket and sewing it
onto the top. The blanket is only as long as it is and there are still
only 24 hours in an Earth day; if you want a longer "day", move to Mars.
Whenever someone tries to convince me of Benjamin Franklin's genius, I
just mention daylight savings time.
Cheers,
Dave
7:49 a.m.
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David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) wrote:
mrsam(a)courier-mta.com wrote:
> Two years from now, folks running older versions of RH or FC for
> which no glibc update was issued will have their clocks stop showing
> correct time for most of the year.
>
> That's because Washington has screwed around with Daylight Savings
> Time, again. They don't have anything better to do inside the
> Beltway, apparently.
>
> I always thought that daylight time was a joke. It's totally stupid,
> and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I am aware of the official
> excuse for daylight time, but I still think it's stupid, it's dumb,
> and idiotic. If anyone is really serious about saving energy, they
> should simply change the timezone permanently.
>
> Starting in 2007, the so-called "standard time" will actually be in
> effect for less than half a year. Standard time won't really be the
> standard most of the time. Isn't it amazing? The US is now the
> laughing stock of the entire world. You can almost see everyone point
> their fingers across the Atlantic: “Those dumb yanks, they can't even
> make up their mind what time of day it is, most of the time!”
>
As a non-morning person, I've always said, "The early worm deserves
the bird." Daylight savings time is like trying to make a blanket
longer by cutting a foot of material off the bottom of the blanket and
sewing it onto the top. The blanket is only as long as it is and there
are still only 24 hours in an Earth day; if you want a longer "day",
move to Mars. Whenever someone tries to convince me of Benjamin
Franklin's genius, I just mention daylight savings time.
Cheers,
Dave
There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle of
the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
the moon should be the last day of the month.
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8:50 a.m.
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On 7/30/05, Jim Cornette <fc-cornette(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle
of
the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
the moon should be the last day of the month.
That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24 rotations
the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
of the moon.
Dotan Cohen
http://song-lirics.com/sl/artist/108/carey-mariah-lirics.php
Mariah Carey Lirics!
9:43 a.m.
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Dotan Cohen writes:
On 7/30/05, Jim Cornette <fc-cornette(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
> There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle of
> the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
> day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
> the moon should be the last day of the month.
That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24 rotations
the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once.
Close enough. You just need to add an extra day, and an extra-extra day
every four years, or so.
Make New Year's day an extra day where everyone parties and gets drunk.
And, every four years (except for once every four hundred years), get drunk
for two whole days.
I'll buy that.
11:28 a.m.
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 7/30/05, Jim Cornette <fc-cornette(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
>There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle of
>the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
>day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
>the moon should be the last day of the month.
>
>
That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24 rotations
the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
of the moon.
Too true, but then it is a much simpler plan to have 13 month year
(with 1 "extra" day) than it is to remember 30 days hath September,
April, June etc. etc. Though it is impossible to believe it'll ever
change anyway. Kind of like the English spelling problems!
Scott
Dotan Cohen
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12:20 p.m.
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On 7/30/05, Scott Talbot <talbotscott(a)cox.net> wrote:
Too true, but then it is a much simpler plan to have 13 month
year
(with 1 "extra" day) than it is to remember 30 days hath September,
April, June etc. etc. Though it is impossible to believe it'll ever
change anyway. Kind of like the English spelling problems!
Scott
It may change. Technology and culture are constantly changing, and the
measurement of time has to stand up to both of their needs. Every few
hunderd years there is a major change in the way time is measued/
calculated. Swatch has recently introduced a new line of watches that
keep 'internet time': a measurement that divides evenly by 10 into the
'earth day'.
English speling erors are another thing, thogh.
Dotan
http://song-lirics.com/sl/artist/322/mamas-and-the-papas-lirics.php
Mamas and the Papas Lirics
4:55 p.m.
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That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24
rotations
the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
of the moon.
We obviously need to move a large number of massive weights down near
the equator to slow the earth down till we achieve a nice round number
of days per year. Say 256. Each year the International Earth
Rotation Service http://www.iers.org/iers/ could issue a report
showing how well the tuning was working and if weights needed to be
added or removed. ;-)
More seriously, I was just struggling with leap seconds this morning,
trying to reconcile un*x time, GPS time, UTC time and TAI time. What
is the current feeling in the linux community with respect to leap
seconds? Does the kernel's time still jump around when a leap second
is applied or subtracted or can the corrections be applied in
user-space like the DST corrections are?
-wolfgang
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6:45 p.m.
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24
rotations
>the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
>divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
>of the moon.
We obviously need to move a large number of massive weights down near
the equator to slow the earth down till we achieve a nice round number
of days per year. Say 256. Each year the International Earth
Rotation Service http://www.iers.org/iers/ could issue a report
showing how well the tuning was working and if weights needed to be
added or removed. ;-)
More seriously, I was just struggling with leap seconds this morning,
trying to reconcile un*x time, GPS time, UTC time and TAI time. What
is the current feeling in the linux community with respect to leap
seconds? Does the kernel's time still jump around when a leap second
is applied or subtracted or can the corrections be applied in
user-space like the DST corrections are?
-wolfgang
Funny that you should bring this up. When I was a boy engineer at Bell
Labs, I received a technical memorandum that proposed changing the
earth's orbit and rotation speed to accomplish pretty much what you've
suggested. IIRC, the writer proposed a 400 (or 500?) day year; each day
would be divided into 25 (or 20) hours so as to get 10000 hours per
year. Smaller time measurements were to be in decimal parts of an hour.
The writer would accomplish this by firing a great quantity of rocket
engines deployed along the equator. His proposal concluded with a cost
study expressed in kGNP (kilo gross national products).
The memorandum was dated April 1, 1962.
-- cmg
9:40 p.m.
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 7/30/05, Jim Cornette <fc-cornette(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
>There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle of
>the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
>day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
>the moon should be the last day of the month.
>
>
That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24 rotations
the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
of the moon.
13 does breakdown to leaving one extra day a year that would need to be
added to a month somewhere or left alone as month 14.
The moon concept would be harder to deal with than current daylight
savings time. Shifting time by 16 hrs each month end.
Thanks for the statistics why our calander based on moon cycles is so
inappropriate.
Forget daylight savings time and all the other arguments, let the moon
cycles govern months (every 27 days and 8 hrs) and come up with
something more appropriate for syncing the earths rotation around the Sun.
Very off-topic but at least a learning experience.
Jim
Dotan Cohen
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12:42 p.m.
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Jim Cornette wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 7/30/05, Jim Cornette <fc-cornette(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>> There should be 13 month in a year and 28 days in a month. The middle of
>> the night should be midnight and the middle of the day noon. The first
>> day on the moon should be the first day of the month and the last day of
>> the moon should be the last day of the month.
>>
>
>
> That doesn't work. 13 does not divide evenly into the 365.24 rotations
> the Earth performs as it revolves around the Sun once. Nor does 28
> divide evenly into the 27 days and 8 hours that elapse for every cycle
> of the moon.
>
>
>
13 does breakdown to leaving one extra day a year that would need to be
added to a month somewhere or left alone as month 14.
Not possible. The length of the year is not a simple multiple of the
length of a day. Furthermore, the length of the day is not constant.
[snip]
Mike
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12:55 p.m.
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On 8/1/05, Mike McCarty <mike.mccarty(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not possible. The length of the year is not a simple multiple of the
length of a day. Furthermore, the length of the day is not constant.
[snip]
Mike
For that matter neither is the month. Not the Sidereal month, not the
Nodical month, not the Anomalistic month, nor the Nodical month. But I
think that the Tropical month is the most 'regular'.
Oh, I just love wikipedia. Would this be considered on-topic if I
mentioned that it is wise to perform a full backup once a month?
Dotan Cohen
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Carlisle, Belinda Song Lyrics
3:27 p.m.
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:
Not possible. The length of the year is not a simple multiple of the
length of a day. Furthermore, the length of the day is not constant.
Lots of smart people think about time. There's no particular relationship
between the solar day the lunar month and the earth year. our calender is
essentially aribitary except for some convenient hacks that keep
astronomical phenomena is sync with our arbitary calendar. we now have the
ability to tell time using clocks fixed to physical constants, but that
hasn't really informed on the arbitrary calendar yet.
Just another idiot on the bus...
joelja
[snip]
Mike
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7:32 p.m.
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From: "Joel Jaeggli" <joelja(a)darkwing.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Not possible. The length of the year is not a simple multiple of the
> length of a day. Furthermore, the length of the day is not constant.
Lots of smart people think about time. There's no particular relationship
between the solar day the lunar month and the earth year. our calender is
essentially aribitary except for some convenient hacks that keep
astronomical phenomena is sync with our arbitary calendar. we now have the
ability to tell time using clocks fixed to physical constants, but that
hasn't really informed on the arbitrary calendar yet.
Just another idiot on the bus...
<alert="graveyard humor"> And his backpack fizzled.</alert>
{O,o}
10:27 p.m.
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Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Not possible. The length of the year is not a simple multiple of the
> length of a day. Furthermore, the length of the day is not constant.
Lots of smart people think about time. There's no particular
relationship between the solar day the lunar month and the earth year.
our calender is essentially aribitary except for some convenient hacks
that keep astronomical phenomena is sync with our arbitary calendar.
we now have the ability to tell time using clocks fixed to physical
constants, but that hasn't really informed on the arbitrary calendar yet.
Just another idiot on the bus...
joelja
I found that out after making the comment about 28 days for the moon
cycle. The bad thing is that there is output on the net where the moon
cycles in 29.x days. Anyway, the thread lead to investigating what
notions were approximated during "science" in schools and assumptions
made from the twilight zone.
Jim
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