In the past, I have always set my default browser to Dillo, which is very fast and very safe; and it usually shows me at least enough to guess reasonably well whether I want to go on, switch to another browser, or skip the site.
I've managed to make it a partial default (under xfce4 in F18). Pan, for instance, routinely opens links in Dillo. Alpine, however, does not. (I run Alpine on a remote host, over ssh; is that relevant? It does open Firefox.)
Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is??
On 11/25/2013 12:50 PM, Beartooth wrote:
I've managed to make it a partial default (under xfce4 in F18). Pan, for instance, routinely opens links in Dillo. Alpine, however, does not. (I run Alpine on a remote host, over ssh; is that relevant? It does open Firefox.)
The default browser *on the computer running the program* is the one that gets opened. Unless you can change the default on the remote host, Alpine's behavior won't change.
Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is??
That depends on the DE. In Xfce4, it should be under Settings->Preferred Applications.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:08:11 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
The default browser *on the computer running the program* is the one that gets opened. Unless you can change the default on the remote host, Alpine's behavior won't change.
Much as I wish, that can't be right: Alpine on the remote host *is* set to dillo now; but it opens Firefox instead on my machine.
Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is??
That depends on the DE. In Xfce4, it should be under Settings->Preferred Applications.
It's already set to dillo there, too.
Could these things be case-sensitive??
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:59:21 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/27/2013 01:38 PM, Beartooth wrote:
Could these things be case-sensitive??
Why not? Everything else in Linux is.
Not everything; yum for instance sometimes ignores capitals.
Anyway, I changed dillo to Dillo both in Alpine's settings and on my PC, and links still open in Firefox. :-
On 11/28/2013 01:09 PM, Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:59:21 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/27/2013 01:38 PM, Beartooth wrote:
Could these things be case-sensitive??
Why not? Everything else in Linux is.
Not everything; yum for instance sometimes ignores capitals.
Anyway, I changed dillo to Dillo both in Alpine's settings and on my PC, and links still open in Firefox. :-
applying a little 'swag' because i use firefox in kde de.
does 'dillo' have a configuration to mark it as _default_?
open firefox, in url bar, enter;
about:config
search for;
checkdefaultbrowser
note setting.
open link;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries
<ctrl+f>, enter;
checkdefaultbrowser
to find setting description.
more about firefox as default;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browser
i do not know about 'xfrec4' and 'Settings->Preferred Applications', but if it is close to kde de, these settings should have your default set as first;
text: html = *.htm, *.html, *.xhtml
application: vnd.mozilla.xul+xml = *.xul x-font-ttx = *.ttx x-gnome-saved-search = *.savedsearch x-mozilla-bookmarks x-ufraw = *.ufraw
also, kde has a 'system settings' which has setup for 'default applications', where in 'web browser' is set. [which may be similar to xfrec4's 'settings']
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:29:58 -0600, g wrote:
On 11/28/2013 01:09 PM, Beartooth wrote:
Anyway, I changed dillo to Dillo both in Alpine's settings and on my PC, and links still open in Firefox. :-
applying a little 'swag' because i use firefox in kde de.
does 'dillo' have a configuration to mark it as _default_?
Not that I could find.
open firefox, in url bar, enter;
about:config
search for;
checkdefaultbrowser
note setting.
It shows Status default type boolean Value false -- as I think it should.
open link;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries
OK, I got that far.
<ctrl+f>, enter;
Did those; don't see anything happen.
checkdefaultbrowser
to find setting description.
Here, if not before, you lose me. What was "<ctrl+f>, enter" supposed to do??
more about firefox as default;
You do understand, nicht wahr?, that I am trying to get *RID* of the default to Firefox??
i do not know about 'xfrec4' and 'Settings->Preferred Applications', but if it is close to kde de, these settings should have your default set as first;
text: html = *.htm, *.html, *.xhtml
application: vnd.mozilla.xul+xml = *.xul x-font-ttx = *.ttx x-gnome-saved-search = *.savedsearch x-mozilla-bookmarks x-ufraw = *.ufraw
also, kde has a 'system settings' which has setup for 'default applications', where in 'web browser' is set. [which may be similar to xfrec4's 'settings']
. In Fedora, at [Main Menu xfce4] > Settings > Preferred Applications, I have Web Browser set to Dillo. If I can get the machine to respect that, I'll be in clover.
Allegedly, on or about 29 November 2013, Beartooth sent:
Here, if not before, you lose me. What was "<ctrl+f>, enter" supposed to do??
CTRL+F is a common shortcut (on various programs) to bring up the search box to "find" something. So, begin a search, enter the terms to search for...
On 11/29/2013 11:58 AM, Beartooth wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:29:58 -0600, g wrote:
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does 'dillo' have a configuration to mark it as _default_?
Not that I could find.
does it have anything similar to firefox's about:config?
open firefox, in url bar, enter;
about:configsearch for;
checkdefaultbrowsernote setting.
It shows Status default type boolean Value false -- as I think it should.
ok. try changing it to true, then when firefox opens, tell it not to be to see if that changes things.
i have never used anything for browsing other than firefox, so i am not aware what will happen during opening with setting of true.
if it works, great. if not, then you need to ask thru support for xfce4.
i am tending to believe that it is a problem with xfce4 and not a fault of fedora or firefox.
open link;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_EntriesOK, I got that far.
<ctrl+f>, enter;
Did those; don't see anything happen.
could be because you did not enter search word.
checkdefaultbrowserto find setting description.
Here, if not before, you lose me. What was "<ctrl+f>, enter" supposed to do??
as tim said, it opens a search bar at bottom of window, where in you enter search word/s.
when applied on page link above, it would find the description for "checkdefaultbrowser"
all of which was so that you would see what settings do.
more about firefox as default;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browserYou do understand, nicht wahr?, that I am trying to get *RID* of the default to Firefox??
very well understand. links where for you to see how default is set and how it is used.
i guess it was a bit of 'tmi'.
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In Fedora, at [Main Menu xfce4] > Settings > Preferred Applications, I have Web Browser set to Dillo. If I can get the machine to respect that, I'll be in clover.
i know what a 'dildo' is, but i am not familiar 'Dillo', so i ask if 'Dillo' has config settings to make it default?
On 30.11.2013 03:13, g wrote:
i have never used anything for browsing other than firefox, so i am not aware what will happen during opening with setting of true.
if it works, great. if not, then you need to ask thru support for xfce4.
i am tending to believe that it is a problem with xfce4 and not a fault of fedora or firefox.
Really? You don't have slightly idea what you're talking about, yet you have a nerve to constantly repeat the same nonsense. Over and over again.
Bee awesome.:!
poma
On 25.11.2013 21:50, Beartooth wrote:
In the past, I have always set my default browser to Dillo, which is very fast and very safe; and it usually shows me at least enough to guess reasonably well whether I want to go on, switch to another browser, or skip the site.
Web browser with rudimentary https/ssl support you are considering safe [1]. Really?
I've managed to make it a partial default (under xfce4 in F18). Pan, for instance, routinely opens links in Dillo. Alpine, however, does not. (I run Alpine on a remote host, over ssh; is that relevant? It does open Firefox.)
Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is??
You too really don't have idea what you're talking about. Don't you?
ALPINE 2.10 MAIN MENU S SETUP - Configure Alpine Options
ALPINE 2.10 SETUP (C) Config: Allows you to set or unset many features of Alpine. You may also set the values of many options with this command.
ALPINE 2.10 SETUP CONFIGURATION URL-Viewers = /usr/bin/midori
$ grep midori ~/.pinerc url-viewers=/usr/bin/midori
Bee awesome.:!
poma
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:08:08 +0100, poma wrote:
On 25.11.2013 21:50, Beartooth wrote:
In the past, I have always set my default browser to Dillo, which is very fast and very safe; and it usually shows me at least enough to guess reasonably well whether I want to go on, switch to another browser, or skip the site.
Web browser with rudimentary https/ssl support you are considering safe [1]. Really?
Yes. That has been part of its purpose for well over ten years, if not since inception. It does not accept cookies, nor keep a history file, for instance. It aims to be as nearly minimal as it can, short of being text-only. The idea, as with the early routers, is to have nothing there for a cracker to get hold of.
I've managed to make it a partial default (under xfce4 in F18). Pan, for instance, routinely opens links in Dillo. Alpine, however, does not. (I run Alpine on a remote host, over ssh; is that relevant? It does open Firefox.)
Fwiw, my experience elsewhere is that getting a program on one machine to manage apps on another is not trivial.
Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is??
You too really don't have idea what you're talking about. Don't you?
Is it my imagination, or has the use of common courtesy dropped several levels lately?
On 01.12.2013 19:48, Beartooth wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:08:08 +0100, poma wrote:
On 25.11.2013 21:50, Beartooth wrote:
In the past, I have always set my default browser to Dillo, which is very fast and very safe; and it usually shows me at least enough to guess reasonably well whether I want to go on, switch to another browser, or skip the site.
Web browser with rudimentary https/ssl support you are considering safe [1]. Really?
Yes. That has been part of its purpose for well over ten years, if not since inception. It does not accept cookies, nor keep a history file, for instance. It aims to be as nearly minimal as it can, short of being text-only. The idea, as with the early routers, is to have nothing there for a cracker to get hold of.
You've just confirmed that you do not know what you're talking about.
You too really don't have idea what you're talking about. Don't you?
Is it my imagination, or has the use of common courtesy dropped several levels lately?
As shown before, and now also you're unable to show appreciation to people who help you.
Bee awesome.:!
poma
On 12/1/2013 2:12 PM, poma wrote:
On 01.12.2013 19:48, Beartooth wrote:
You've just confirmed that you do not know what you're talking about.
As shown before, and now also you're unable to show appreciation to people who help you.
You having a bad weekend? A Bad week? A bad month? Forget to take your meds?
Be nice dude. He is an older man and not the Computer Wizz that you *think* that you are.
On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:51:24 -0500, David wrote:
On 12/1/2013 2:12 PM, poma wrote:
You've just confirmed that you do not know what you're talking about.
As shown before, and now also you're unable to show appreciation to people who help you.
You having a bad weekend? A Bad week? A bad month? Forget to take your meds?
Be nice dude. He is an older man and not the Computer Wizz that you *think* that you are.
Thank you, sir!
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:09:57 +0000, Beartooth wrote: [....]
Anyway, I changed dillo to Dillo both in Alpine's settings and on my PC, and links still open in Firefox. :-
This morning, suddenly, it does what I was trying to accomplish: Alpine on the remote machine, being read here under ssh, opens Dillo, not Firefox, when I click on "open link."
I added "GONE" instead of "SOLVED" to the subject line, because I'm not at all sure whether the change to upper case, or something I did after that, caused the welcome change. It might even be something earlier : both machines have logged out and back in, or rebooted, since my last attempts.
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:
On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:
Thank you, sir!
Aahh, these are the first kind words from you. Much obliged. I hope it was not too difficult to utter.
So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.
On 04.12.2013 18:42, Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:
On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:
Thank you, sir!
Aahh, these are the first kind words from you. Much obliged. I hope it was not too difficult to utter.
So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.
Thank you very much Chief Beartooth.
poma
On 12/05/13 06:42, Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:
On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:
Thank you, sir!
Aahh, these are the first kind words from you. Much obliged. I hope it was not too difficult to utter.
So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.
A few months ago I was having some problems in respite of WiFi connections, and asked this list about them. I got a response from "poma" which was completely cryptic and (to me) incomprehensible, but after a bit of nudging "poma" provided me with a step-by-step recipe to diagnose and rectify my problem. So I have evidence that he (I assume "he") can be kind and helpful if approached properly and with sufficient persistence.
I never did get around to thanking "poma" for his assistance; this was churlish of me. My apologies to "poma".
That being said I do find most of his (?) posts to be cryptic, flippant, bewildering, unutterably terse and impossible to understand. It is not clear to me whether he aims at being bewildering or simply doesn't realize that no-one (or hardly anyone) else in the world is on his wave-length.
At any rate I would hesitate to write him off as a "troll" or to ignore his posts completely. Just treat most of his posts with a shrug and delete them. There will be (probably) be the occasional useful gem.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
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