Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
Sent: Sep 30, 2010 8:44 AM To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Can I know which fedora is stable?
On 30 September 2010 16:33, adrian kok adriankok2000@yahoo.com.hk wrote:
Hi
Can I know which fedora is stable?
For future reference, the front page of http://fedoraproject.org/ is usually a good clue :-)
If you want to what is the current release, that is a good page to visit.
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
My opinions on its use should be well known....
James McKenzie
On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
Where is that stated?
On 1 October 2010 00:40, Gordon Messmer yinyang@eburg.com wrote:
On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
Where is that stated?
It isn't stated in those terms, but it is an accepted representation of the status quo.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki
The Fedora Project is a global partnership of free software community members. The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat, which invests in our infrastructure and resources to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies. Some of these technologies may later be integrated into Red Hat products.
It is not part of Fedora's aims to be Red Hat Enterprise Beta, it will and should exist whether Red Hat choose to develop from it or not. Any statements about how Red Hat uses Fedora would come from Red Hat, not from the Fedora Project.
-- Sam
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-greg-de...
Interview with Greg Dekoenigsberg - Red Hat Community Architect
* What do you think is the biggest misconception about Fedora? *
That it's just a beta for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It is most assuredly not. There are over ten million users of Fedora worldwide. If Fedora were "just a beta", I can't imagine that so many people would use it, and contribute so proudly to it.
I would like to add my vote to this discussion. I am running Fedora Core 12 and 13 x 64 under Virtualbox on Windows 7/64bit, not a problem. I had Fedora Core 9/10, the only issue was with the evolution of the video cards, windows had some of the same issues.
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-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Sam Sharpe Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:43 PM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Can I know which fedora is stable?
On 1 October 2010 00:40, Gordon Messmer yinyang@eburg.com wrote:
On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
Where is that stated?
It isn't stated in those terms, but it is an accepted representation of the status quo.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki
The Fedora Project is a global partnership of free software community members. The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat, which invests in our infrastructure and resources to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies. Some of these technologies may later be integrated into Red Hat products.
It is not part of Fedora's aims to be Red Hat Enterprise Beta, it will and should exist whether Red Hat choose to develop from it or not. Any statements about how Red Hat uses Fedora would come from Red Hat, not from the Fedora Project.
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Gordon Messmer yinyang@eburg.com writes:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-greg-de...
Interview with Greg Dekoenigsberg - Red Hat Community Architect
- What do you think is the biggest misconception about Fedora? *
That it's just a beta for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It is most assuredly not. There are over ten million users of Fedora worldwide. If Fedora were "just a beta", I can't imagine that so many people would use it, and contribute so proudly to it.
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't really ask this, but I think honesty is important even if it is a bit unpleasant. How big is the Fedora user base and how was that measured?
It sure looks like the Fedora user base is closer to 200k from reading between the lines on the Smolt statistics page at:
http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/static/stats/stats.html
While a 2.1 Meg installs is quoted, that counts each clean Fedora re-install separately. The actual hosts that checked in in the last 3 months is only 200k, and even that probably over-counts the people that have several fedora versions installed and switch between them.
It would be interesting to see the fedora.pools.ntp.org numbers. That would count the hosts that don't submit smolt statistics, but probably undercount folks like myself that have a few systems behind one NAT-ed address.
-wolfgang
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't really ask this, but I think honesty is important even if it is a bit unpleasant. How big is the Fedora user base and how was that measured?
On 09/30/2010 11:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't really ask this, but I think honesty is important even if it is a bit unpleasant. How big is the Fedora user base and how was that measured?
Will this capture the install base in any way for those who mirror the repo's for internal updates (for > 1 machine usually) ...
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 00:43:28 +0100, Sam Sharpe lists.redhat@samsharpe.net wrote:
On 1 October 2010 00:40, Gordon Messmer yinyang@eburg.com wrote:
On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
Where is that stated?
It isn't stated in those terms, but it is an accepted representation of the status quo.
Not universally. There is a difference between being a beta and being an early show case of new technologies.
As for 'stable', that depends on what the original poster meant by that. If he meant a release that he could run on for several years without a major upgrade, then no version of Fedora is stable. If he meant a version where things are expected to work, then Fedora might be suitable.
On 09/30/2010 10:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 00:43:28 +0100, Sam Sharpelists.redhat@samsharpe.net wrote:
On 1 October 2010 00:40, Gordon Messmeryinyang@eburg.com wrote:
On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page.
Where is that stated?
It isn't stated in those terms, but it is an accepted representation of the status quo.
Not universally. There is a difference between being a beta and being an early show case of new technologies.
As for 'stable', that depends on what the original poster meant by that. If he meant a release that he could run on for several years without a major upgrade, then no version of Fedora is stable. If he meant a version where things are expected to work, then Fedora might be suitable.
For me, software that does not change much over the years is a very boring prospect :) :)
On Friday 01 October 2010 05:26:50 Genes MailLists wrote:
On 09/30/2010 11:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't really ask this, but I think honesty is important even if it is a bit unpleasant. How big is the Fedora user base and how was that measured?
Will this capture the install base in any way for those who mirror the repo's for internal updates (for > 1 machine usually) ...
Well I've got 200+ Fedora 13 installs at the moment on a private network pulling updates from a local repo. So they won't be counted in any statistics.
I can't see any way of getting a size for the Fedora user base.
Regards,
Tony
On 10/01/2010 04:16 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
Well I've got 200+ Fedora 13 installs at the moment on a private network pulling updates from a local repo. So they won't be counted in any statistics.
I can't see any way of getting a size for the Fedora user base.
Regards,
Tony
I wonder if having smolt registrations have 3 states :
1) Register existance with no data
2) register with smolt details
3) do nothing
We dont do (1) today ... might be a nice default - will still miss all hosts which only allow proxy access to outside but would give more than have today.
Genes MailLists wrote:
On 09/30/2010 11:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't really ask this, but I think honesty is important even if it is a bit unpleasant. How big is the Fedora user base and how was that measured?
Will this capture the install base in any way for those who mirror the repo's for internal updates (for > 1 machine usually) ...
Yes (for those still using mirrormanager anyway)
-- Rex
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