. In Fedora 29 Evince has no "Print" function despite what its help page says. How can I restore it?
Bob
From evince help:
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To print a document:
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Click theFile optionsmenu in the top right corner and selectPrintor pressCtrl+P.
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Choose your printer from the list.
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ClickPrint.
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Printing is enabled for the following file formats:
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Device Independent file format (.dvi)
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DjVu (.djvu, .djv)
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Portable Document Format (.pdf)
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PostScript (.ps)
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Tagged Image File Format (.tiff, .tif)
On Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:53:27 +0100 Louis Lagendijk wrote:
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row....
I think they held a contest to see who could come up with a design to most effectively hide the controls for evince. Took me about 20 minutes to find it when I first wanted to print something in new evince.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 01:59:40PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:53:27 +0100 Louis Lagendijk wrote:
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row....
I think they held a contest to see who could come up with a design to most effectively hide the controls for evince. Took me about 20 minutes to find it when I first wanted to print something in new evince.
there seems to be a widespread desire to make UIs so minimal that no one can figure out how to use them. Not to single out anyone, but the Gnome-3 people seem to be on that bandwagon too. No offense meant to any particular person(s), its just that I don't see the value in oversimplification.
Fred
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 15:28:13 -0500 Fred Smith fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:
there seems to be a widespread desire to make UIs so minimal that no one can figure out how to use them. Not to single out anyone, but the Gnome-3 people seem to be on that bandwagon too. No offense meant to any particular person(s), its just that I don't see the value in oversimplification.
I think it is because of mobiles. The developers try to fit things on the small real estate, and so make things deeper. It's the problem with having the same interface for desktops, laptops, and mobiles. They are trying to build a single interface that can be used on all platforms versus having an interface optimized for each platform, for people who switch between platforms often. I presume they think the learning curve for multiple platform interfaces is more costly than the diminished user interface on larger screens.
On 12/4/18 1:54 PM, stan wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 15:28:13 -0500 Fred Smith fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:
there seems to be a widespread desire to make UIs so minimal that no one can figure out how to use them. Not to single out anyone, but the Gnome-3 people seem to be on that bandwagon too. No offense meant to any particular person(s), its just that I don't see the value in oversimplification.
I think it is because of mobiles. The developers try to fit things on the small real estate, and so make things deeper. It's the problem with having the same interface for desktops, laptops, and mobiles. They are trying to build a single interface that can be used on all platforms versus having an interface optimized for each platform, for people who switch between platforms often. I presume they think the learning curve for multiple platform interfaces is more costly than the diminished user interface on larger screens.
I think attempted standardization is a factor. I also think a lot of it is laziness in supporting multiple displays. The problem I see is at this point the symbols are getting far too abstract for many people and there seems to be no steering group that accepts comments or complaints. After all, an icon's purpose is to obviate textual explanations. Obscure icons defeat that intent. Perhaps it's just better to harass the developers. The problem is they've gotten very good at ignoring user comments.
I remember the old, symbolic UK "Road Work" signs. Some (such as myself) saw them as stick figures with shovels. Some saw them as stick figures fighting with cranky umbrellas (those in the UK know what I mean). From context, it was always clear that they were shovels. I mean, why on Earth would you need a sign next to the M5 to warn people about bad umbrellas anyway? But I'm an engineer, so I suppose I don't think like most people. :-p
While I'm not a fan of bureaucracy in any form, it might be time for ANSI or ISC to create a committee to address UI issues such as this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 12/04/18 16:54, stan wrote:
I presume they think the learning curve for multiple platform interfaces is more costly than the diminished user interface on larger screens.
. I wonder if a stabdard set of three letter abbreviations might not be better ...
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:35:10 -0500 Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
On 12/04/18 16:54, stan wrote:
I presume they think the learning curve for multiple platform interfaces is more costly than the diminished user interface on larger screens.
. I wonder if a stabdard set of three letter abbreviations might not be better ...
sure, and maybe a crash report abbreviation could suggest Which Thing Failed, which would make a handy acronym...
d
Tom Horsley writes:
On Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:53:27 +0100 Louis Lagendijk wrote:
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row....
I think they held a contest to see who could come up with a design to most effectively hide the controls for evince. Took me about 20 minutes to find it when I first wanted to print something in new evince.
Try okular. Comes with some KDE baggage, and the startup is a bit slower, but it beats the pants off evince, IMO. It actually opens PDFs at a reasonable magnification level. It feels like a real desktop application, instead of something bolted on top of libX11. PgUp and PgDn keys actually work intuitively. The search function does not actually begin at some random part of the document.
I used evince for many years, before finally giving up fighting with its navigation and idiosynchronies. Based on this thread, it looks like I don't really have any need to take another look at it.
On 12/4/18 10:53 AM, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
On Tue, 2018-12-04 at 13:40 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
. In Fedora 29 Evince has no "Print" function despite what its help page says. How can I restore it?
Bob
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row....
On my evince (V3.30.2), you can click on the hamburger stack (just to the right of the magnifying glass in the upper right corner). In that menu, the printer is the left most icon in the row of icons at the top. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Squawk! Pieces of Seven! Pieces of Seven! Parity Error! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 12/4/18 11:06 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
On 12/4/18 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On my evince (V3.30.2), you can click on the hamburger stack
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And all this time I thought those were pancakes.
Well, I guess you could "insert stacked food of your preference". For one of our products, we called it a "hamburger stack", but we're from the land of Bob's Big Boy double-decker hamburgers (one of the first and very popular in So. California in the 60's and 70's).
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On 12/04/18 13:53, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row.... /Louis
. Yes that is where I normally find it, I would click on the word "Print" in the list that the left-most icon brings up, but "Print" is no longer there. Perhaps it's a problem related to XFCE, but it always worked until now.
I can print from Okular but the display is near impossible for me to read.
Thanks for responding,
Bob
On 12/4/18 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 12/04/18 13:53, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
Printing is there in the menu on the right: it is the leftmost icon in the top row.... /Louis
. Yes that is where I normally find it, I would click on the word "Print" in the list that the left-most icon brings up, but "Print" is no longer there. Perhaps it's a problem related to XFCE, but it always worked until now.
I can print from Okular but the display is near impossible for me to read.
I'm using Xfce as well with the LightDM display manager and there's no text associated with the icon, just the icon (which sort of looks like an abstract inkjet printer with a page going through it).
Are the developers running obfuscation contests that we're not privy to in order to confuse us? It's getting pretty awful. Sheesh! This isn't an Easter egg hunt, folks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - "I'd explain it to you, but your brain might explode." - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 12/04/18 14:20, Rick Stevens wrote:
I'm using Xfce as well with the LightDM display manager and there's no text associated with the icon, just the icon (which sort of looks like an abstract inkjet printer with a page going through it).
Are the developers running obfuscation contests that we're not privy to in order to confuse us? It's getting pretty awful. Sheesh! This isn't an Easter egg hunt, folks!
- Rick Stevens, Systems
. Ok, I found it! I never would have without all the assurance that it was still there, and it is but not easy to see on a 27" inch screen, a *tiny* printer symbol while all the other, mostly useless, options are in the list of words that drops down when you click on the stack of three horizontal lies, pancakes maybe. Why the one little, out of context, icon? I think Tom was right ....
One of the configuration changes I make when setting things up is to change icons to words wherever I can, we've found another candidate ...
Bob
On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 03:17:28PM -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 12/04/18 14:20, Rick Stevens wrote:
I'm using Xfce as well with the LightDM display manager and there's no text associated with the icon, just the icon (which sort of looks like an abstract inkjet printer with a page going through it).
Are the developers running obfuscation contests that we're not privy to in order to confuse us? It's getting pretty awful. Sheesh! This isn't an Easter egg hunt, folks!
- Rick Stevens, Systems
. Ok, I found it! I never would have without all the assurance that it was still there, and it is but not easy to see on a 27" inch screen, a *tiny* printer symbol while all the other, mostly useless, options are in the list of words that drops down when you click on the stack of three horizontal lies, pancakes maybe. Why the one little, out of context, icon? I think Tom was right ....
I neverknew what to call that, until a couple of years ago I saw a software review (don't remember what) where the reviewer wrote about the "hamburger menu". I had to google for it to find out what he was on about.
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