Hello,
I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.
cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 29 (Twenty Nine)
lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 06) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI Express x16 Controller (rev 06) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI (rev 04) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:16.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family KT Controller (rev 04) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM (rev 04) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #2 (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1 (rev d4) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #2 (rev d4) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev d4) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #5 (rev d4) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #1 (rev 04) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation QM87 Express LPC Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 02:00.0 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 83)
The same laptop has been tested on Windows and Ubuntu. The heating issue was present on those operating systems.
It seems to be a Fedora specific issue. How do I go about fixing it?
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Sudheer S
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 12:18 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
The same laptop has been tested on Windows and Ubuntu. The heating issue was present on those operating systems.
Was present or was not present?
It seems to be a Fedora specific issue. How do I go about fixing it?
It's probably overheating because it's consuming CPU. Use 'top' to find out what processes are doing this.
poc
The same laptop has been tested on Windows and Ubuntu. The heating issue was present on those operating systems.
Was present or was not present?
The issue was not present on Windows and Ubuntu. Thanks for spotting the omission of 'not'.
It seems to be a Fedora specific issue. How do I go about fixing it?
It's probably overheating because it's consuming CPU. Use 'top' to find out what processes are doing this.
The CPU usage is around 8%. The load is 1.3.
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Sudheer S
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net
wrote:
Hello,
I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.
You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Have a look at https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/W540-very-hot-af... which implicates spectre mitigations in BIOS, and https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/
A couple years ago at work we were assigned a high-end Dell workstation that had been running Ubuntu. On boot the fans ran at full speed for a few seconds before the UPS reported "overload" and shut down. On investigation, I found the system had been configured as a node in a big distributed numerical model that started at boot (24 cores, 48 threads).
After removing the model the system booted and ran normally, but still had high fan noise and power consumption at startup. After updating the kernel the startup became less violent. We didn't want the numerical model, but the system gave us no further problems running other heavy processing.
Power management tricks have been used to prevent overheating under heavy workloads. I'm not sure what CPU intensive code might be run when the kernel boots, and when the various power management tools kick in.
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello, I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
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Sudheer S
On 2/19/19 8:35 PM, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
The CPU usage is around 8%. The load is 1.3.
That is quite low.
Can you install the lm_sensors package? Then run "sensors-detect" to find what sensors are available. And lastly, run sensors to see the CPU temps?
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:32 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello, I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
Something in the graphics driver? What GPU does it have? Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here). Is the machine overheating even when idle? Does it overheat if you boot to a text console rather than the DE? Is the DE using X or Wayland?
poc
On 19/02/19 7:29 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2/19/19 8:35 PM, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
The CPU usage is around 8%. The load is 1.3.
That is quite low.
Can you install the lm_sensors package? Then run "sensors-detect" to find what sensors are available. And lastly, run sensors to see the CPU temps?
Here's the sensors output:
thinkpad-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter fan1: 2377 RPM
acpitz-acpi-0 Adapter: ACPI interface temp1: +60.0°C (crit = +200.0°C)
nouveau-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter GPU core: +0.60 V (min = +0.60 V, max = +1.20 V) temp1: -0.0°C (high = +95.0°C, hyst = +3.0°C) (crit = +105.0°C, hyst = +5.0°C) (emerg = +135.0°C, hyst = +5.0°C)
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Sudheer S
On 19/02/19 7:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:32 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello, I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
Something in the graphics driver?
Probably.
What GPU does it have?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here).
Sorry, I do not have the information about what driver was used on Ubuntu. The test was done by a colleague few days ago and they did use the drivers that were available on stock installation of Ubuntu 18.10.
Is the machine overheating even when idle?
Yes.
Does it overheat if you boot to a text console rather than the DE?
I have not tested this. But I will soon and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the idea.
Is the DE using X or Wayland?
Wayland.
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Sudheer S
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 20:37 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 7:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:32 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello, I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
Something in the graphics driver?
Probably.
What GPU does it have?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here).
Sorry, I do not have the information about what driver was used on Ubuntu. The test was done by a colleague few days ago and they did use the drivers that were available on stock installation of Ubuntu 18.10.
The GPU is Nvidia so it would be interesting to see if Ubuntu is using the proprietary Nvidia driver while Fedora has the Nouveau driver. Try "lsmod|grep -i nvidia". You could also install the Fedora Nvidia driver from RPMfusion to see if it makes a difference.
Is the machine overheating even when idle?
Yes.
Does it overheat if you boot to a text console rather than the DE?
I have not tested this. But I will soon and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the idea.
Is the DE using X or Wayland?
Wayland.
Maybe try an X11 DE instead. You can choose the DE at login time, e.g. if you're on Gnome then it's Wayland by default but can also run on X. Other DEs such as KDE work better on X at the moment.
poc
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 11:09, Sudheer Satyanarayana sudheer@techchorus.net wrote:
On 19/02/19 7:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:32 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello, I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
Something in the graphics driver?
Probably.
What GPU does it have?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here).
Sorry, I do not have the information about what driver was used on Ubuntu. The test was done by a colleague few days ago and they did use the drivers that were available on stock installation of Ubuntu 18.10.
Is the machine overheating even when idle?
Yes.
Does it overheat if you boot to a text console rather than the DE?
I have not tested this. But I will soon and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the idea.
Is the DE using X or Wayland?
Wayland.
Were the tests run on the same or different boxes? If different, were the BIOS versions the same (the link in my first post suggested a link between BIOS version and overheating for this model).
How do you measure "overheating"? Is is just fans running at high speed or does the air coming out the vent feel hot? How does the volume of air compare to other systems?
Some malware uses hidden (stealth) processes. If the system is hot and CPU is not busy then heat must be coming from some other component. The Lenovo laptops I have used made it easy to get at the system board, but I never tried running one with the system board exposed. If you can borrow an IR camera you might identify hot spots down to the component. If you can't run the system with the board exposed you might still see residual heat.
-- George N. White III
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 13:51, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 13:36 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
Were the tests run on the same or different boxes?
He's already said it's the same machine.
I've had people use "same" machine for two different boxes with identical specs ordered at the same time. It is amazing how rapidly differences can accumulate between two "identical" systems once they are put into service.
On 19/02/19 7:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:32 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
On 19/02/19 6:27 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:50, Sudheer Satyanarayana < sudheer@techchorus.net mailto:sudheer@techchorus.net> wrote:
Hello,
I have installed Fedora 29 on Lenovo W540. The laptop overheats up soon after booting.
You should make sure there isn't an accumulation of dust preventing proper cooling. At my work there were a bunch of Lenovo's that would overheat and crash. A good blast of canned air in the vents would release a cloud of dust and restore proper operation. This had to be done every few months (typical cubicle farm environment).
Initially, I suspected hardware issues like the one you mention. In fact, I sent the device to Lenovo service center for the same issue. The Lenovo folks inspected the hardware and found no issues with fan, cooling, etc. Also, the same device doesn't have the overheating issue on Windows and Ubuntu. It is something specific to Fedora.
Something in the graphics driver?
Probably.
What GPU does it have?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here).
Sorry, I do not have the information about what driver was used on Ubuntu. The test was done by a colleague few days ago and they did use the drivers that were available on stock installation of Ubuntu 18.10.
Is the machine overheating even when idle?
Yes.
Does it overheat if you boot to a text console rather than the DE?
I have not tested this. But I will soon and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the idea.
Is the DE using X or Wayland?
Wayland.
Sudheer S
How about trying the X session instead of Wayland? Even Gnome can use X. Log out and choose xsession.
But if it is Nvidia, there could be a load of issues, like wrong or poor drivers etc. Try top, htop or the default GUI system monitor and of course lm_sensors to see and test what produces eventual heat or even high CPU usage.
Ubuntu worked you said and as far as I know it uses Xorg by default with Gnome, unlike Fedora and yes, I guess Ubuntu has drivers for Nvidia probably installed by default in your case. Like mentioned here you would need RPM Fusion for Nvidia drivers in Fedora.
On 20/02/19 3:00 AM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 13:51, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@gmail.com mailto:pocallaghan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 13:36 -0400, George N. White III wrote: > Were the tests run on the same or different boxes? He's already said it's the same machine.I've had people use "same" machine for two different boxes with identical specs ordered at the same time. It is amazing how rapidly differences can accumulate between two "identical" systems once they are put into service.
To clarify, Ubuntu and prior to that Windows was installed on the very same laptop. Now, Fedora is installed on the very same laptop.
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Sudheer
Something in the graphics driver?
Probably.
What GPU does it have?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106GLM [Quadro K2100M] (rev a1) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
Is the same driver being used on Fedora and Ubuntu? (I'm reaching here).
Sorry, I do not have the information about what driver was used on Ubuntu. The test was done by a colleague few days ago and they did use the drivers that were available on stock installation of Ubuntu 18.10.
The GPU is Nvidia so it would be interesting to see if Ubuntu is using the proprietary Nvidia driver while Fedora has the Nouveau driver. Try "lsmod|grep -i nvidia". You could also install the Fedora Nvidia driver from RPMfusion to see if it makes a difference.
I have been using the Nvidia drivers from RPMFusion from a week or so. Since then, generally, the laptop does not overheat. Occasionally, I have observed overheating.
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Sudheer S
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