11:24 a.m.
.
J am a poor typist and usually disable Caps Lock in a script with:
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=Shift_L'
That no longer works as it should in Fedora-30 for whatever reason, now
it just locks Caps Lock on and all I can get is caps unless I hold a
Shift key which is inconvenient to say the least ...
What can I use instead of "Shift_L" to make it simply do nothing?
Bob
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11:52 a.m.
What desk GUI do you use?
On 6/28/19 12:24 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
.
J am a poor typist and usually disable Caps Lock in a script with:
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=Shift_L'
That no longer works as it should in Fedora-30 for whatever reason,
now it just locks Caps Lock on and all I can get is caps unless I hold
a Shift key which is inconvenient to say the least ...
What can I use instead of "Shift_L" to make it simply do nothing?
Bob
12:10 p.m.
On 6/28/19 12:52 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What desk GUI do you use?
.
I use XFCE, have used it for a number of years ...
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1:26 p.m.
On 6/28/19 12:24 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
.
J am a poor typist and usually disable Caps Lock in a script with:
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=Shift_L'
That no longer works as it should in Fedora-30 for whatever reason,
now it just locks Caps Lock on and all I can get is caps unless I hold
a Shift key which is inconvenient to say the least ...
What can I use instead of "Shift_L" to make it simply do nothing?
Bob
.
I found a solution, /usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=NoSymbol' renders
the Caps Lock key inoperative, it seems to do nothing at all.
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6:40 p.m.
On 28Jun2019 14:26, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
I found a solution, /usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=NoSymbol'
renders
the Caps Lock key inoperative, it seems to do nothing at all.
I use:
clear lock
add control = Caps_Lock
to turn in into an additional control key.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <cs(a)cskk.id.au>
1:31 p.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 12:24:25 -0400
Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
J am a poor typist and usually disable Caps Lock in a script with:
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 66=Shift_L'
That no longer works as it should in Fedora-30 for whatever reason,
now it just locks Caps Lock on and all I can get is caps unless I
hold a Shift key which is inconvenient to say the least ...
What can I use instead of "Shift_L" to make it simply do nothing?
After reading the man page for xmodmap, I'm surprised that your command
worked. There, it calls the fact it doesn't work a known bug. Try the
following to make the caps_lock the left_shift.
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock'
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keysym Caps_Lock = Shift_L'
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'add Lock = Caps_Lock'
I think using NoSymbol instead of Shift_L will do nothing if you want
that.
1:43 p.m.
On 6/28/19 2:31 PM, stan via users wrote:
I think using NoSymbol instead of Shift_L will do nothing if you
want
that.
_______________________________________________
Yes I found that does it and is a
lot better than inadvertently trying
to enter a password in all caps.
Thanks.
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3:25 p.m.
On 6/28/19 11:43 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 6/28/19 2:31 PM, stan via users wrote:
> I think using NoSymbol instead of Shift_L will do nothing if you want
> that.
> _______________________________________________
Yes I found that does it and is a lot better than inadvertently trying
to enter a password in all caps.
Thanks.
If you are using qemu-kvm, sometimes the Windows machines
will figure out a way to turn the cap locks back on
your host machine. (I have been know to pry off the cap
over the key. A bit drastic, but it works.)
4:02 p.m.
On 6/28/19 4:25 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
If you are using qemu-kvm, sometimes the Windows machines
will figure out a way to turn the cap locks back on
your host machine. (I have been know to pry off the cap
over the key. A bit drastic, but it works.)
_____
.
No, in this case no VM and no Windows, and I thought about removing the
cap, but that's over-kill. P had been changing it to a left shift key
but that stopped working since the upgrade. I have been remapping some
of the keys to other characters, one I use fairly often is a degree
symbol. For the present Caps Lock can be a do nothing jet until I need
it for something else,
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6:46 p.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 14:43:55 -0400
Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
Yes I found that does it and is a lot better than inadvertently
trying to enter a password in all caps.
No kidding. You've inspired me to look at what I could change that key
to. I rarely use it, and I'm thinking of altering it to another tab,
since I use tab completion a lot because it saves me so much typing,
and I find myself missing the tab key and hitting the caps lock key
pretty regularly. Or maybe a combination ctrl-alt for switching
between virtual consoles. Then if I missed the tab key, nothing would
happen.
6:57 p.m.
On 6/28/19 7:46 PM, stan via users wrote:
No kidding. You've inspired me to look at what I could change
that key
to. I rarely use it, and I'm thinking of altering it to another tab,
since I use tab completion a lot because it saves me so much typing,
and I find myself missing the tab key and hitting the caps lock key
pretty regularly. Or maybe a combination ctrl-alt for switching
between virtual consoles. Then if I missed the tab key, nothing would
happen.
_______________________________________________
.
You're right, that would be a better location for "Tab." I'll try that
...
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12:01 p.m.
On 6/28/19 7:57 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
.
You're right, that would be a better location for "Tab." I'll try
that ...
.
I /tried replacing NoSymbol with Tab. Oddly the result was a caps lock
that toggled on and off, almost as bad as Caps Lock. There must be
something in the code I don't understand. I'm happy with it disabled,
good enough.
/
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5:46 p.m.
On 30Jun2019 13:01, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
On 6/28/19 7:57 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>You're right, that would be a better location for "Tab." I'll try
>that ...
.
I /tried replacing NoSymbol with Tab. Oddly the result was a caps lock
that toggled on and off, almost as bad as Caps Lock. There must be
something in the code I don't understand. I'm happy with it disabled,
good enough.
It may be that the X server itself has beliefs about the behaviour of
the key. That key is a modifier, this key is a toggle, these make
regular keystrokes. Just guessing myself, tool.
Actually, that I can go:
clear lock
add control = Caps_Lock
argues against that theory. I wouldn't have been able to make it int a
control key.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <cs(a)cskk.id.au>
9:14 a.m.
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:01:57 -0400
Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
On 6/28/19 7:57 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> .
> You're right, that would be a better location for "Tab." I'll try
> that ...
.
I /tried replacing NoSymbol with Tab. Oddly the result was a caps
lock that toggled on and off, almost as bad as Caps Lock. There must
be something in the code I don't understand. I'm happy with it
disabled, good enough.
/
I tried this as well, and didn't do as well as you; it shows as set,
but does nothing in a terminal, nor does alt-caps_lock switch to
alternative windows. These are from xmodmap -pk
Caps lock
66 0xff09 (Tab) 0xfe20 (ISO_Left_Tab) 0xff09 (Tab)
0xfe20 (ISO_Left_Tab)
actual Tab
23 0xff09 (Tab) 0xfe20 (ISO_Left_Tab) 0xff09 (Tab)
0xfe20 (ISO_Left_Tab)
I just tested in gvim, and here in claws-mail, and caps lock does work
as a tab. I'll leave it and see what happens over time. Easy enough
to switch back.
7:15 p.m.
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 16:46 -0700, stan via users wrote:
I find myself missing the tab key and hitting the caps lock key
pretty regularly
There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when the caps
lock was pressed. At least you got an early warning, that way, if you
accidentally pressed it.
1:39 a.m.
On 6/28/19 5:15 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 16:46 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> I find myself missing the tab key and hitting the caps lock key
> pretty regularly
There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when the caps
lock was pressed. At least you got an early warning, that way, if you
accidentally pressed it.
Would be nice to know what that "beep" function was/is rather than using
xmodmap. I can't see an option to restore defaults in xmodmap which
means if I try any of this and make a mistake using "xmodmap -e 'keycode
66=NoSymbol'", I don't have a way to recover. Hopefully someone can show
me what I am missing as disabling Caps Lock with would be a serious
improvement in quality of keyboard use.
11:54 p.m.
Tim:
> There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when
the
> caps lock was pressed. At least you got an early warning, that
> way, if you accidentally pressed it.
Paul Allen Newell
Would be nice to know what that "beep" function was/is
rather than
using xmodmap.
Just poking around my system, which is using the MATE desktop. If I
open the Keyboard Preferences, there's a tab for Accessibility, and
button for Audio Feedback, which offers some features even when the
other assisitive technologies stuff is off.
In there is a "Beep when a toggle key is pressed" option, triggered by
(caps lock, num lock, etc).
I suspect this is an old Gnome / MATE feature, but it might not be.
1:32 a.m.
On 6/29/19 9:54 PM, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
>> There used to be, and may still be, a feature that beeped when the
>> caps lock was pressed. At least you got an early warning, that
>> way, if you accidentally pressed it.
Paul Allen Newell
> Would be nice to know what that "beep" function was/is rather than
> using xmodmap.
Just poking around my system, which is using the MATE desktop. If I
open the Keyboard Preferences, there's a tab for Accessibility, and
button for Audio Feedback, which offers some features even when the
other assisitive technologies stuff is off.
In there is a "Beep when a toggle key is pressed" option, triggered by
(caps lock, num lock, etc).
I suspect this is an old Gnome / MATE feature, but it might not be.
Tim:
Many thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the opSys I am on doesn't have
the "audio feedback". And, yes, I am on MATE.
I cower owing to the anticipated reaction when I admit that I gave up on
Fedora "in its late tweens" and am now running Centos 7. But the
feedback mechanism in Centos is very poor compared to the Fedora lists
so I always hope I can learn from Fedora users to figure out Centos problems
Best,
Paul
2:31 a.m.
On Sat, 2019-06-29 at 23:32 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Many thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the opSys I am on
doesn't
have the "audio feedback". And, yes, I am on MATE.
I have CentOS 7 on another PC, running MATE, and the option I
previously mentioned is available, in the same place, and works.
But I missed a step: Open your Sound Preferences, in the Sound Effects
tab, there's a Sound theme gadget. Pick anything other than "no
sounds".
7:09 p.m.
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 12:24 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
What can I use instead of "Shift_L" to make it simply do
nothing?
Which desktop do you use?
On Gnome/Mate there's a keyboard preference GUI configurator, in the
Layouts tab, click on the Options button, then find the Caps Lock
behaviour section, and choose your preference (which includes a
disabled option).
In mate, that can be called up with this command line:
mate-keyboard-properties
I don't know where it stores its settings, though. It might be one of
those dconf/gconf things.
Try apropos keyboard, to see what your installation has.
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