system-config-lvm

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello

The package system-config-lvm
disappeared since fedora 18.
Is there a reason?
I new packag replace it?

Thank

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[Gilboa Davara]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> Hello
>
> The package system-config-lvm
> disappeared since fedora 18.
> Is there a reason?
> I new packag replace it?
>
> Thank

system-config-lvm (S-C-L) was deprecated back in F18 and is supposed
to be replaced by gnome-disks (or gnome-disk-utility).
However, gnome-disks (F20) completely lacks LVM support.

Personally I simply rebuilt the F18 S-C-L SRPMS and I use it on a
large number of desktops/servers/etc.
Keep in mind that YMMV; S-C-L is no longer supported and if it breaks,
you get to keep all the pieces.

- Gilboa

[Frederick N. Brier]

I love Fedora, but after asking about the disappearance myself, the 
answer given was less than logical or satisfactory.  LVM has gained some 
new features that system-config-lvm did not handle.  Someone decided 
that was unacceptable and it had to be removed.  The majority of 
applications and system tools do not support every (new) feature. 
Development does not occur lockstep.  It would have been trivial to add 
something to a readme file or a conditional that warned 
system-config-lvm could not be used with your current LVM because you 
used a new feature.  As with Gilboa and yourself, I am still using the 
basic features of LVM and very happy with it.  To eliminate the primary 
maintenance system tool of a feature, is to cut off your user's noses to 
spite your system.  I've been doing development for 40+ years.  This 
smells like a pissing contest. Perhaps I am not as brave as Gilboa, I 
was unwilling to risk building the tool.  I have a USB key that boots 
Linux Mint.  Every time I need to adjust my LVM, I have to reboot to 
Mint, make the change and reboot again.  That is sad.

- Fred

On 04/30/2014 10:31 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > The package system-config-lvm
> > disappeared since fedora 18.
> > Is there a reason?
> > I new packag replace it?
> >
> > Thank
>
> system-config-lvm (S-C-L) was deprecated back in F18 and is supposed
> to be replaced by gnome-disks (or gnome-disk-utility).
> However, gnome-disks (F20) completely lacks LVM support.
>
> Personally I simply rebuilt the F18 S-C-L SRPMS and I use it on a
> large number of desktops/servers/etc.
> Keep in mind that YMMV; S-C-L is no longer supported and if it breaks,
> you get to keep all the pieces.
> Gilboa

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 04:26:23AM -0700, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
> I love Fedora, but after asking about the disappearance myself, the
> answer given was less than logical or satisfactory.

"No one wanted to maintain it", I think. If someone wanted to, I'm sure we
could bring it back to life.

If someone wants to just pull the old one along into newer release and not
worry about real maintenance or feature updates, that might be a good use
for Coprs (and possibly even the Fedora Playground).

[Patrick Laimbock]

On 01-05-14 13:26, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
[snip]
> was unwilling to risk building the tool.  I have a USB key that boots
> Linux Mint.  Every time I need to adjust my LVM, I have to reboot to
> Mint, make the change and reboot again.  That is sad.

So what is the LVM tool in Linux Mint? Perhaps that tool could be 
packaged for Fedora.

Cheers,
Patrick

[Chris Murphy]

This doesn't answer the original question, but here are two comments.

a.) Even a few, let alone many, file system resizes make the file system inefficient. This goes for both ext and XFS. (Btrfs is in a different category because it allocates in chunks and when a fs is resized, a drive is added or replaced, or removed, the chunks are relocated. Resize is just a variation on a balance.) The better option, is to fix the size of the file system at the largest it would ever practically be in its lifetime, using LVM thin provisioning. And use fstrim occasionally, instead of resizing the file system.

b.) A non-GUI option, that establishes a fairly consistent vernacular among various storage technologies (md raid, LVM, btrfs), is the system-storage-manager package. Its syntax is more btrfs like, rather than the multi-step and rather esoteric commands needed for LVM. For example:

http://www.fpaste.org/98515/

There's a pile of really useful info here. It recognizes LVM and btrfs snapshots, LVM raid (in contrast to LVM on md raid), thin pools and volumes, btrfs subvolumes, and so on.

Chris Murphy

[Ed Greshko]

On 05/01/14 23:55, Patrick Laimbock wrote:
> On 01-05-14 13:26, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
> [snip]
> > was unwilling to risk building the tool.  I have a USB key that boots
> > Linux Mint.  Every time I need to adjust my LVM, I have to reboot to
> > Mint, make the change and reboot again.  That is sad.
>
> So what is the LVM tool in Linux Mint? Perhaps that tool could be packaged for Fedora.

A bit of googling suggests they use a utility called "system-config-lvm" which they acquired and repackaged for debian based systems from this obscure company called Red Hat.  :-) :-)