finally getting around to building my new f20 machine and, as i read it, f20 now ships without sendmail.
so far, to match what i've used for years, i've installed on my f20 box:
* alpine * fetchmail
and i've copied over from my old (ubuntu) system the relevant files:
* .addressbook{,.lu} * .pinerc * .fetchmailrc
i can check that there is mail waiting at my ISP with:
$ fetchmail -c
and sure enough, there's a pile of mail there. however, not surprisingly, if i try to fetch it, i get:
fetchmail: Connection errors for this poll: name 0: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection refused. name 1: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection refused. fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed
since (obviously), without sendmail, nothing is listening on port 25. so what's the solution these days? a pointer to a web page somewhere would work just fine. thanks.
rday
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:55:14 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
finally getting around to building my new f20 machine and, as i read it, f20 now ships without sendmail.
By default. Of course, you could install sendmail, which is still available.
so far, to match what i've used for years, i've installed on my f20 box:
- alpine
- fetchmail
and i've copied over from my old (ubuntu) system the relevant files:
- .addressbook{,.lu}
- .pinerc
- .fetchmailrc
i can check that there is mail waiting at my ISP with:
$ fetchmail -c
and sure enough, there's a pile of mail there. however, not surprisingly, if i try to fetch it, i get:
fetchmail: Connection errors for this poll: name 0: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection refused. name 1: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection refused. fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed
since (obviously), without sendmail, nothing is listening on port 25. so what's the solution these days? a pointer to a web page somewhere would work just fine. thanks.
Depends on whether you need sendmail for how you use fetchmail. I run fetchmail with option mda "/usr/bin/procmail -t -f -" to deliver (and filter) via procmail.
Quoting Michael Schwendt mschwendt@gmail.com:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:55:14 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
finally getting around to building my new f20 machine and, as i read it, f20 now ships without sendmail.
By default. Of course, you could install sendmail, which is still available.
so far, to match what i've used for years, i've installed on my f20 box:
- alpine
- fetchmail
and i've copied over from my old (ubuntu) system the relevant files:
- .addressbook{,.lu}
- .pinerc
- .fetchmailrc
i can check that there is mail waiting at my ISP with:
$ fetchmail -c
and sure enough, there's a pile of mail there. however, not surprisingly, if i try to fetch it, i get:
fetchmail: Connection errors for this poll: name 0: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection refused. name 1: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection refused. fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed
since (obviously), without sendmail, nothing is listening on port 25. so what's the solution these days? a pointer to a web page somewhere would work just fine. thanks.
Depends on whether you need sendmail for how you use fetchmail. I run fetchmail with option mda "/usr/bin/procmail -t -f -" to deliver (and filter) via procmail.
hmmm ... i may try that. i assume that, with this approach, i won't need to install sendmail, correct? and if i choose to use procmail, will this simply deliver mail for me locally even before i start to configure my procmail rules? thanks.
rday
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:32:17 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
I run fetchmail with option mda "/usr/bin/procmail -t -f -" to deliver (and filter) via procmail.
hmmm ... i may try that. i assume that, with this approach, i won't need to install sendmail, correct?
Correct.
and if i choose to use procmail, will this simply deliver mail for me locally even before i start to configure my procmail rules? thanks.
Yes, that's default behaviour. Quoting from the first paragraph in "man procmail":
| If no rcfile is found, or processing of the rcfile falls off the end, | procmail will store the mail in the default system mailbox.
On 25.12.2013, Michael Schwendt wrote:
I run fetchmail with option mda "/usr/bin/procmail -t -f -" to deliver (and filter) via procmail.
hmmm ... i may try that. i assume that, with this approach, i won't need to install sendmail, correct?
Correct.
Using MUAs like Alpine, Mutt and similar, it may probably be a bad idea to not install any local MTA, unless your MUA can deliver mail directly to your ISP. And even if it can - it's quite comfortable to read mail while the mail I just sent gets processed in the background.
I've been using ELM for quite a while together with sendmail, and changed to mutt and postfix after they came up. The years went by, and I'm still using my fetchmail-postfix-procmail-mutt combination..
In short: having a local MTA is more of a personal preference.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:32:17 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
I run fetchmail with option mda "/usr/bin/procmail -t -f -" to deliver (and filter) via procmail.
hmmm ... i may try that. i assume that, with this approach, i won't need to install sendmail, correct?
Correct.
and if i choose to use procmail, will this simply deliver mail for me locally even before i start to configure my procmail rules? thanks.
Yes, that's default behaviour. Quoting from the first paragraph in "man procmail":
| If no rcfile is found, or processing of the rcfile falls off the end, | procmail will store the mail in the default system mailbox.
yup, everything working fine, happy happy joy joy.
rday
"Robert P. J. Day" rpjday@crashcourse.ca writes:
since (obviously), without sendmail, nothing is listening on port 25. so what's the solution these days? a pointer to a web page somewhere would work just fine. thanks.
Since mail at your ISP is most likely going to all go to one user, piping it into a full-blown MTA is overkill. I just have ISP imaps mail placed into the user's mbox directly with getmail(1). I run getmail out of the user's own crontab twice an hour.
yum install getmail
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