I'm running Fedora 8. I'd like to reduce the bit rate (and file size) of some mp3s. Can anyone recommend a tool to do this? Preferably command line.
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of the new computers have Windows installed. So the overall world wide percentage might be like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Karl
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 09:23 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of the new computershave Windows installed. So the overall world wide percentage might be like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Probably not that good estimation :) And I thought that Max was a hamburger restaurant in Sweden, not an OS...
On Dec 26, 2007 10:23 AM, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of the new computers have Windows installed. So the overall world wide percentage might be like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Karl
Not necessarily true. Walmart sold Lindows/Linspire PCs and now they are selling a low end linux based computerhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200which they've almost always sold out of.
Richard
Richard Shaw wrote:
On Dec 26, 2007 10:23 AM, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of the new computers have Windows installed. So the overall world wide percentage might be like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Karl
Not necessarily true. Walmart sold Lindows/Linspire PCs and now they are selling a low end linux based computerhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200which they've almost always sold out of.
Richard
I was guessing based on what I see in my Wal Mart. I live in Las Cruces, NM and they must not send any of those here.
Karl
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Richard Shaw wrote:
On Dec 26, 2007 10:23 AM, Karl Larsen
k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about
statistics about the
linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that
98% of PC contain
windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of
the new computers
have Windows installed. So the overall world wide
percentage might be
like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Karl
Not necessarily true. Walmart sold
Lindows/Linspire PCs and now they are
selling a low end linux based
computerhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200which
they've almost always sold out of.
Richard
I was guessing based on what I see in my WalMart. I live in Las Cruces, NM and they must not send any of those here.
Karl
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The guys running those WalMarts there in Las Cruces, NM are * OUT OF THEIR MINDS *, In Texas, WalMarts ran out of stock with those $200 computers. They did not have Fedora :(, but they had gOS an ubuntu derivative with Enlightment desktop, I wanted to get one for an aunt but the Walmarts close by ran out and some did not carry them :(. These computers are a big success and there are others at MadTux as well. The story to be continued with $300 laptops, this surely will get more people to look at linux :).
Regards,
Antonio
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I disagree, most people will wipe it and put a pirated copy of Windows on.
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-----Original Message----- From: Antonio Olivares olivares14031@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:49:53 To:For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: windows and linux
--- Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Richard Shaw wrote:
On Dec 26, 2007 10:23 AM, Karl Larsen
k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about
statistics about the
linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that
98% of PC contain
windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
In the mass media places like Wal Mart 100% of
the new computers
have Windows installed. So the overall world wide
percentage might be
like 98% with 1.5 % Max and .05% Linux.
Karl
Not necessarily true. Walmart sold
Lindows/Linspire PCs and now they are
selling a low end linux based
computerhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200which
they've almost always sold out of.
Richard
I was guessing based on what I see in my WalMart. I live in Las Cruces, NM and they must not send any of those here.
Karl
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The guys running those WalMarts there in Las Cruces, NM are * OUT OF THEIR MINDS *, In Texas, WalMarts ran out of stock with those $200 computers. They did not have Fedora :(, but they had gOS an ubuntu derivative with Enlightment desktop, I wanted to get one for an aunt but the Walmarts close by ran out and some did not carry them :(. These computers are a big success and there are others at MadTux as well. The story to be continued with $300 laptops, this surely will get more people to look at linux :).
Regards,
Antonio
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--- Singer Wang swang@cs.dal.ca wrote:
I disagree, most people will wipe it and put a pirated copy of Windows on.
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I agree with you disagreeing. They have a few problems though :( --> They will have to look for the drivers for sound/video/modem/etc, while with the preinstalled linux they do not have to do this :).
Someone told me that the biggest challenge to Windows, is not MAC, not BSD, not Linux but Microsoft *Pirated* Windows. Maybe Richard Stallman said that what is worst than a pirated copy of windows is an authentic copy of windows.
I hope that more people do not do this, *remove linux and install pirate copy of windows * but you are correct. It is a choice that they have, I guess *XP pirate* will do much better than *Vista pirate*. Vista is a resource hog and those low end machines will suffer the consequences.
Regards,
Antonio
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On Dec 26, 2007 11:11 AM, Adel ESSAFI adel.safi@esstt.rnu.tn wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
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Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Looks like they have a fairly large sampling pool to arrive at their stats. It sounds more representative than anything else I've seen to date. However results can be skewed if the 6,000+ sites have content that tend to favour visitors with a particular profile (i.e. more Linux sites, more Apple sites, or more Windows sites - if they are using relatively neutral sites that provide content compatible across all then that would help ensure a more accurate representation).
Jacques B.
Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Just noticed a pull down menu with previous dates so you can see how the stats have been evolving - nice.
Jacques B.
On Dec 26, 2007 11:35 AM, Jacques B. jjrboucher@gmail.com wrote:
Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Just noticed a pull down menu with previous dates so you can see how the stats have been evolving - nice.
Jacques B.
Doing quick math with the oldest (May 2007) vs the newest (Dec 2007) we see that the combined Windows market share (ME/98/NT/2000/2003//XP/Vista) went from 93.41% to 91.48%. Linux went from 1.25% to 1.77%. Mac has OS X and Power PC listed (although PowerPC less than 1/10 of 1% in both cases). So for OS X they went from 3.85% to 4.56%. The combined gain of Linux & OS X is 1.23% for that period while the combined decline of Windows system is 1.93. So there is 0.7% loss from Windows that went somewhere other than Linux or OS X (BSD perhaps?).
Jacques B.
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:35 -0500, Jacques B. wrote:
Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Just noticed a pull down menu with previous dates so you can see how the stats have been evolving - nice.
Jacques B.
Seems that Linux have jumped from ~1.2% to ~1.8%, passing Windows 98 in the way.
Never the less, these numbers don't really mean much. (E.g. people running IE6/7 under wine, servers that are never being used to browse the net, embedded applications, etc)
- Gilboa
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On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:35 -0500, Jacques B. wrote:
Seems that Linux have jumped from ~1.2% to ~1.8%, passing Windows 98 in the way.
WOW!! That is amazing! Linux usage jumped(??) up by 0.6% and passed an OS that was EOL July 11, 2006!! ;-)
Never the less, these numbers don't really mean much. (E.g. people running IE6/7 under wine, servers that are never being used to browse the net, embedded applications, etc)
- Gilboa
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David
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:52:44 -0500 David Boles dgboles@gmail.com wrote:
Seems that Linux have jumped from ~1.2% to ~1.8%, passing Windows 98 in the way.
WOW!! That is amazing! Linux usage jumped(??) up by 0.6% and passed an OS that was EOL July 11, 2006!! ;-)
You might be surprised. I do some occasional work for an ISP around here (the help desk calls me when they run into "hard stuff") and I see a fair number of Windows 98 machines online, not to mention a few Windows 95 machines as well.
On the other hand, other than my own stuff I have seen only three other Linux installations in my town. Two of them are installs that I did for clients and the third set up his own Ubuntu after I installed Fedora for his next-door neighbour.
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Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:35 -0500, Jacques B. wrote:
Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Just noticed a pull down menu with previous dates so you can see how the stats have been evolving - nice.
Jacques B.
Never the less, these numbers don't really mean much. (E.g. people running IE6/7 under wine, servers that are never being used to browse the net, embedded applications, etc)
True, but it is definitely representative of linux-desktop-users. And from a desktop perspective, linux awareness / usability / appeal needs to increase drastically.
Just my views.
- -Rogue
Rogue wrote:
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Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:35 -0500, Jacques B. wrote:
Check out http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Just noticed a pull down menu with previous dates so you can see how the stats have been evolving - nice.
Jacques B.
Never the less, these numbers don't really mean much. (E.g. people running IE6/7 under wine, servers that are never being used to browse the net, embedded applications, etc)
True, but it is definitely representative of linux-desktop-users. And from a desktop perspective, linux awareness / usability / appeal needs to increase drastically.
Just my views.
- -Rogue
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A good example is Skype. This is a fun device that lets you talk all over the world using the Internet. Yes they do produce a Linux version. On Windows a cam camera with a mike aboard is all you need. You set the camera so it see's you and you can talk through it. On Fedora 8 you get the VERY latest model and it will run. The web cam does not even find Skype or Skye it. But it does limp along with voice. This is so much fun I do it on my laptop with windows.
Karl
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Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
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David
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
David
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned.
Jacques B.
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:57 -0500, Jacques B. wrote:
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned.
As w3schools might have many developers as visitors, the %-age is higher then normal, it is pretty logical. But sad to see that developers aren't just using linux :)
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Jacques B. wrote:
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
David
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned.
From the W3Counter site
91.48% for Windows 1.77% for Linux 4.58% for Mac
is very similar to the number from the site I linked. Actually the Linux numbers are better, about double, from the site I Linked.
I gather you did not look down the page?
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You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers. - --
David
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Jacques B. wrote:
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
David
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned.
From the W3Counter site
91.48% for Windows 1.77% for Linux 4.58% for Mac
is very similar to the number from the site I linked. Actually the Linux numbers are better, about double, from the site I Linked.
I gather you did not look down the page?
Statistics Are Often Misleading
You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.
There are also browsers that lie as to what OS and browser they are running so that Microsoft IIS servers will deliver content correctly.
Never believe the http header.
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Alan wrote:
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Jacques B. wrote:
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
David
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned. From the W3Counter site
91.48% for Windows 1.77% for Linux 4.58% for Mac
is very similar to the number from the site I linked. Actually the Linux numbers are better, about double, from the site I Linked.
I gather you did not look down the page?
Statistics Are Often Misleading
You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.
There are also browsers that lie as to what OS and browser they are running so that Microsoft IIS servers will deliver content correctly.
Never believe the http header.
You do know that it is all a Microsoft plot don't you? ;-)
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David
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 13:08 -0500, David Boles wrote:
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Alan wrote:
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Jacques B. wrote:
OS Platform Statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
David
Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned. From the W3Counter site
91.48% for Windows 1.77% for Linux 4.58% for Mac
is very similar to the number from the site I linked. Actually the Linux numbers are better, about double, from the site I Linked.
I gather you did not look down the page?
Statistics Are Often Misleading
You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.
There are also browsers that lie as to what OS and browser they are running so that Microsoft IIS servers will deliver content correctly.
Never believe the http header.
You do know that it is all a Microsoft plot don't you? ;-)
Damn skippy. I would call it a nefarious one at best. And, I'm likewise a scheming bastard. Ergo, I can call 'em as I see 'em! :) Ric
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 19:29 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
There are also browsers that lie as to what OS and browser they are running so that Microsoft IIS servers will deliver content correctly.
Never believe the http header.
You do know that it is all a Microsoft plot don't you? ;-)
Damn skippy. I would call it a nefarious one at best. And, I'm likewise a scheming bastard. Ergo, I can call 'em as I see 'em! :) Ric
---- that seems to be another way of saying that you can't con a con
;-)
Craig
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 17:37 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 19:29 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
There are also browsers that lie as to what OS and browser they are running so that Microsoft IIS servers will deliver content correctly.
Never believe the http header.
You do know that it is all a Microsoft plot don't you? ;-)
Damn skippy. I would call it a nefarious one at best. And, I'm likewise a scheming bastard. Ergo, I can call 'em as I see 'em! :) Ric
that seems to be another way of saying that you can't con a con
...got that right! <sly wink> Ric
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Their stats unfortunately do not tell you the size of the sample pool used. They say they used their logs. But they don't say how many logs they use or who is contributing the logs. If they do mention this it's not obvious when you visit the site. If this info is available I'd be interested in seeing it in order to have some perspective to their numbers vs the other site I mentioned.
<snip>
I gather you did not look down the page?
Statistics Are Often Misleading
You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.
David
No, actually I did not. However that only tells us what we already know. It does not tell us anything at all about how they gathered their stats to arrive at their numbers, which was my original point concerning these stats vs the other site I noted. If they aren't telling you what data makes up their stats you can't put it into context and weight them accordingly. At least the other site tells you the number of unique visitors (I presume by IP which doesn't mean unique visitors ultimately, but could also be through using cookies which again is not without its caveats), and the number of sites polled - over 6,000 which of course if they were primarily MS sites or sites using MS proprietary code then that would skew the results same as if they were primarily tech sites where you are likely to find more Linux representation vs the non-techies. But at least it gives some context to the stats.
At the end of the day neither should be given too much weight. But in my opinion w3schools even less unless they post on the stats page where the data came from to arrive at those stats. The statement you pointed out at the bottom of their page does not meet that requirement. Not saying the stats are worthless. Just that one cannot decide how much worth to give it in absence of this info.
Jacques B.
On Wednesday 26 December 2007, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
Dear list any one can help me to find an information about statistics about the linux and windows presence on PC. I heard that 98% of PC contain windows!!! is it true please? regards Adel
Around this camp, its only 20%. Of the 5 machines available, 4 were from scratch builds that have never seen a windows install disk, and my lappy's remaining 25GB XP partition hasn't been blown away yet, but probably will be by F9. It hasn't been booted to XP in quite a few months.
If you are looking for confirmation of that 98% figure, these linux related mailing lists are a very very poor resource.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:46:14 -0800 (PST) Tom Spec samag70-ignore@yahoo.ca wrote:
I'm running Fedora 8. I'd like to reduce the bit rate (and file size) of some mp3s. Can anyone recommend a tool to do this? Preferably command line.
If you install lame (available from livna repository) you can do something like
lame -b 128 input.mp3 output.mp3
The above line would create output.mp3 at 128kbps. See lame man page for all available options.
Srdan
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