3:08 p.m.
I often print pages that I bind and save from firefox. It is supposed
to print the Title and URL as a header on each page however all I ever
get is the very bottom of the letters, not enough to even guess at the
words.
I have tried all the available settings but with no success. Print
Preview shows the header perfectly but unfortunately the printed page
does not.
This problem is peculiar to Firefox, Openoffice prints headers and
footers without a problem. I am running Firefox version 1.5.0.9 and FC6
updated this morning.
Any thoughts on what I might do to fix this?
Thanks.
Bob Goodwin
3:18 p.m.
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:08, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I often print pages that I bind and save from firefox. It is
supposed
to print the Title and URL as a header on each page however all I ever
get is the very bottom of the letters, not enough to even guess at the
words.
I have tried all the available settings but with no success. Print
Preview shows the header perfectly but unfortunately the printed page
does not.
This problem is peculiar to Firefox, Openoffice prints headers and
footers without a problem. I am running Firefox version 1.5.0.9 and FC6
updated this morning.
Any thoughts on what I might do to fix this?
Can you not change the top margin?
I hate the FF print interface and have changed it to kprinter, where I have
all the control I want/need.
Anne
3:31 p.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
Can you not change the top margin?
I hate the FF print interface and have changed it to kprinter, where I have
all the control I want/need.
Anne
Yes I've tried a range of settings for the margin, suspect perhaps it
wants A4 paper? That's a guess though. I'm not familiar with
'kprinter.' I use xfce rather than gnome/kde, out of habit mostly.
Often I want to go back to the source of a page and it's handy to have
that available. Just an annoyance as it is.
Bob
7:57 p.m.
Anne Wilson:
> Can you not change the top margin?
Bob Goodwin:
Yes I've tried a range of settings for the margin, suspect
perhaps it
wants A4 paper?
Have you set the proper paper size, and played with the margins in the
"page setup" as well as the printing options. One set of margins sits
inside the other.
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9:07 p.m.
Tim wrote:
Anne Wilson:
>> Can you not change the top margin?
>>
Bob Goodwin:
> Yes I've tried a range of settings for the margin, suspect perhaps it
> wants A4 paper?
>
Have you set the proper paper size, and played with the margins in the
"page setup" as well as the printing options. One set of margins sits
inside the other.
"One set of margins sits inside the other." Perhaps I have a
problem here, I never did quite figure why there were two places for
setting the top [all four] margin. Can you shed some light on that?
Yes, it's set for US Letter size and I have played with the margins
but perhaps not done it right?
Bob Goodwin
2:24 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 22:07 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
"One set of margins sits inside the other." Perhaps I have
a
problem here, I never did quite figure why there were two places for
setting the top [all four] margin. Can you shed some light on that?
I've had similar fun and problems (sarcastic tone) with margins and that
same about-the-page information getting cropped off.
When you go to print and the print dialogue pops up (you'll probably
have to initiate printing from the menu, not a hotkey or toolbar icon,
to get it to pop up), it has options for how the printer will print the
page (page size, dimensions, etc., that set the printing area. It will
let you set things to print beyond the point that the printer can
actually print.
Firefox's "page setup" menu item, just above "print", in the file
menu,
sets out how Firefox will create pages to be printed. What bits of
information appear where (top left page title, bottom middle page count,
and so on), and the gaps around that information and the page body
content.
You'd want to play with them both, the first one as suits your printer,
the second one as suits the fonts being used around the page and the
page content.
+--------paper edge-------------+
| |
| +-- printable area margin -+ |
| | info about pages | |
| | +----- page margin ----+ | |
| | | | | |
| | | actual page content | | |
And so on...
I can remember going through this bother with desk top publishing
programs, with headers, footers, and page bodies. Even more of a pain
when you use different printers with different printable areas, and you
want to print something as close to the edge as you can.
7:30 a.m.
Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 22:07 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> "One set of margins sits inside the other." Perhaps I have a
> problem here, I never did quite figure why there were two places for
> setting the top [all four] margin. Can you shed some light on that?
>
I've had similar fun and problems (sarcastic tone) with margins and that
same about-the-page information getting cropped off.
When you go to print and the print dialogue pops up (you'll probably
have to initiate printing from the menu, not a hotkey or toolbar icon,
to get it to pop up), it has options for how the printer will print the
page (page size, dimensions, etc., that set the printing area. It will
let you set things to print beyond the point that the printer can
actually print.
Firefox's "page setup" menu item, just above "print", in the file
menu,
sets out how Firefox will create pages to be printed. What bits of
information appear where (top left page title, bottom middle page count,
and so on), and the gaps around that information and the page body
content.
You'd want to play with them both, the first one as suits your printer,
the second one as suits the fonts being used around the page and the
page content.
+--------paper edge-------------+
| |
| +-- printable area margin -+ |
| | info about pages | |
| | +----- page margin ----+ | |
| | | | | |
| | | actual page content | | |
And so on...
I can remember going through this bother with desk top publishing
programs, with headers, footers, and page bodies. Even more of a pain
when you use different printers with different printable areas, and you
want to print something as close to the edge as you can.
*Ok, after consuming about an acre of pulp wood I believe I have
identified the following:
Page Setup under File allows me to adjust the distance from the top
of the sheet to where the first line of text is printed. 0.4 inches
[Top] seems to work.
File > Print > Properties allows setting of the distance from the
top of the sheet to the header line. I set this to 0.1 inch [Top].
Printing a Footer seems hopeless, but then all I really need is the
URL of the source and that prints nicely in the header.
Page Preview may look good but bears only a slight resemblance's to
what the printer does.
Bob Goodwin*
8:17 p.m.
Bob Goodwin:
*Ok, after consuming about an acre of pulp wood I believe I have
identified the following:
I know that feeling. Even worse if you're using an inkjet, and the cost
of that ink!
Page Setup under File allows me to adjust the distance from the top
of the sheet to where the first line of text is printed. 0.4 inches
[Top] seems to work.
It's been ages since I tried this out. But I was under the impression
that Firefox's page setup let me set up how Firefox will print pages and
info *inside* the printer's printable area margins. The size of the
inner border, measured from the border, not the edge of the page (a
relative measurement).
File > Print > Properties allows setting of the distance from
the
top of the sheet to the header line. I set this to 0.1 inch [Top].
I expect this to set the closest that anything can be printed to the
edges of the page.
Printing a Footer seems hopeless, but then all I really need is the
URL of the source and that prints nicely in the header.
Perhaps you need wider margins? You mightn't be able to print as close
to the bottom edge as you hope, or it just refuses to try. You could
try getting CUPS to print a test page, to see how close it gets. The
other thing that springs to mind is whether you've reversed over which
margin is inside the other.
Page Preview may look good but bears only a slight resemblance's
to
what the printer does.
Hmm, yes, previews are rather poor on most browsers. I get the
impression that the application makes a guess, rather than using the
printer driver to generate a raster for the screen to display. Things
like ″ character entities get a ridiculous length of blank space
after them.
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9:16 p.m.
On 1/31/07, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Bob Goodwin:
> *Ok, after consuming about an acre of pulp wood I believe I have
> identified the following:
I know that feeling. Even worse if you're using an inkjet, and the cost
of that ink!
> Page Setup under File allows me to adjust the distance from the top
> of the sheet to where the first line of text is printed. 0.4 inches
> [Top] seems to work.
It's been ages since I tried this out. But I was under the impression
that Firefox's page setup let me set up how Firefox will print pages and
info *inside* the printer's printable area margins. The size of the
inner border, measured from the border, not the edge of the page (a
relative measurement).
> File > Print > Properties allows setting of the distance from the
> top of the sheet to the header line. I set this to 0.1 inch [Top].
I expect this to set the closest that anything can be printed to the
edges of the page.
> Printing a Footer seems hopeless, but then all I really need is the
> URL of the source and that prints nicely in the header.
Perhaps you need wider margins? You mightn't be able to print as close
to the bottom edge as you hope, or it just refuses to try. You could
try getting CUPS to print a test page, to see how close it gets. The
other thing that springs to mind is whether you've reversed over which
margin is inside the other.
> Page Preview may look good but bears only a slight resemblance's to
> what the printer does.
Hmm, yes, previews are rather poor on most browsers. I get the
impression that the application makes a guess, rather than using the
printer driver to generate a raster for the screen to display. Things
like ″ character entities get a ridiculous length of blank space
after them.
I wrote to the hplip-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net last August regarding
the HP Officejet 6300 series PPD. The bottom margin in the PPD is set
at 0.5 inches; whereas, it is 0.12 inches in the User Guide. I have
yet to hear from them. I also have not checked to see if they fixed
the PPD. So check the HWMargin values in the PPD for your make of
printer. The values may be incorrect.
4:38 p.m.
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 16:18, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:08, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I often print pages that I bind and save from firefox. It is supposed
> to print the Title and URL as a header on each page however all I ever
> get is the very bottom of the letters, not enough to even guess at the
> words.
>
> I have tried all the available settings but with no success. Print
> Preview shows the header perfectly but unfortunately the printed page
> does not.
>
> This problem is peculiar to Firefox, Openoffice prints headers and
> footers without a problem. I am running Firefox version 1.5.0.9 and
> FC6 updated this morning.
>
> Any thoughts on what I might do to fix this?
Can you not change the top margin?
I hate the FF print interface and have changed it to kprinter, where I
have all the control I want/need.
Anne
How do you do that? I'd love to do that too, as it would enable duplex &
save a few trees.
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Cheers, Gene
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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2:11 a.m.
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 22:38, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 16:18, Anne Wilson wrote:
>On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:08, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>> I often print pages that I bind and save from firefox. It is supposed
>> to print the Title and URL as a header on each page however all I ever
>> get is the very bottom of the letters, not enough to even guess at the
>> words.
>>
>> I have tried all the available settings but with no success. Print
>> Preview shows the header perfectly but unfortunately the printed page
>> does not.
>>
>> This problem is peculiar to Firefox, Openoffice prints headers and
>> footers without a problem. I am running Firefox version 1.5.0.9 and
>> FC6 updated this morning.
>>
>> Any thoughts on what I might do to fix this?
>
>Can you not change the top margin?
>
>I hate the FF print interface and have changed it to kprinter, where I
> have all the control I want/need.
>
>Anne
How do you do that? I'd love to do that too, as it would enable duplex &
save a few trees.
That's another reason for wanting kprinter. An do you use the brochure
filter? That's great for storing how-tos.
Full instructions here:
http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2006/05/08/enable-kprinter-in-firefox-1-5/
Anne
4:36 p.m.
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 16:08, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I often print pages that I bind and save from firefox. It is
supposed
to print the Title and URL as a header on each page however all I ever
get is the very bottom of the letters, not enough to even guess at the
words.
I have tried all the available settings but with no success. Print
Preview shows the header perfectly but unfortunately the printed page
does not.
This problem is peculiar to Firefox, Openoffice prints headers and
footers without a problem. I am running Firefox version 1.5.0.9 and FC6
updated this morning.
Any thoughts on what I might do to fix this?
Thanks.
Bob Goodwin
Its not a firefox problem Bob, its probably your printer, and a missmatch
of its ppd settings.
I am, today, for the first time ever, seeing all the header and footers FF
puts in its printouts. The joy and ecstasy of knowing what page I'm
reading knows no bounds now.
1. Printer is an elderly Epson C82, system is FC6, quite up2date.
2. I've just last night, built and used checkinstall (that's a trip into
lala land in itself) the gutenprint20070129 snapshot, with the following
configure options given as commited to a bash script:
#!/bin/bash
./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-cups --enable-cups-ppds --enable-cups-level3-ppds
--with-gimp2 --with-gimp2-as-gutenprint --enable-libgutenprintui2 --enable-gtk2
3. make clean;make
4. checkinstall -R --inspect
and clean up the mess it makes, both in the rpm header data and the
filelist that will be included in the rpm.
5. install the rpm it makes which will probably need the --force option
too if you've put in previous snapshots.
6. Go thru the localhost:631/printers configurations for both the printer
ppd and its options.
a. Since the C82 officially doesn't do borderless, in the ppd selection
screen select the C83, which does do them.
b. in the options screen for that printers profile, click borderless to
yes. Finish up. Print a test page, should be full bleed all around.
7. goto some web page you want to print and do it. As if by magic, the 7
of the 7 of 24 message at the left end of the footer appears on the
printout, and by the same magic all the characters of the header are
printed, edge to edge, but it sure beats clipping them off by
artificially enforcing the side borders.
When you run the gimp, it will now have a print with gutenprint selection
in the file menu, and there will also be a print selection if
gimp-print-4.2.7 is co-installed, but it can be removed with an rpm -e.
Also, the gimp plugin of gutenprint creates and stores its own profiles
independently of cups, so you can reset those for the gimps use without
effecting the cups settings.
Another gotcha is that cups scans the /usr/share/cups/model/* tree to
populate its ppd selection window with, doing this without regard for any
renaming you might do beyond that point in the tree. This can confuse
the unwary by giving you multiple copies of old ppds in the chooser
window. Since ppd's are now built on the fly, rename or delete that
model directory so that you will know you are using the very latest,
built on the fly versions.
This is a work in progress so pick a weekend when you don't have anything
else to do. The snapshot seems to be updated about every other day.
--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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