honestly, what in the name of mutt is so slow about fedora rawhide?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  following up on my recent posts about how painfully, excruciatingly,
nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.

  so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
anything else hogging resources ... so now what?

  if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.

  please ... thoughts?

rday

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                        http://crashcourse.ca

Twitter:                                       http://twitter.com/rpjday
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[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 08:02 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
>  >   following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
>  excruciatingly,
>  > nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  > well, nothing's changed. 
>  
>  Apologies if asking you to repeat yourself, but I don't see the
>  previous
>  messages on this. 
That's because he posted them to the Fedora Test list. Once again folks,
this is *the wrong list for discussing Rawhide*. People who continue the
thread here are just compounding the problem, which is that many of
those developing Rawhide don't even read *this* list.

poc

[poma]

On 05.04.2014 15:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 08:02 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
> >>   following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
> > excruciatingly,
> >> nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
> >> well, nothing's changed. 
> >
> > Apologies if asking you to repeat yourself, but I don't see the
> > previous
> > messages on this.
>  
>  That's because he posted them to the Fedora Test list. Once again folks,
>  this is *the wrong list for discussing Rawhide*. People who continue the
>  thread here are just compounding the problem, which is that many of
>  those developing Rawhide don't even read *this* list.
>  
>  poc
>   
Urbi et Orbi? :)

"This list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice for
Fedora users."
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

This is a very vague definition, what is the what.
If Fedora user has problems with digestion, should she be advised.
Maybe "... for the Fedora Current Supported Releases usage", would be
more accurate.

I'm still waiting for my Martinis shaken, Robert! :)


poma

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

>  On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 08:02 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
>  > >   following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
>  > excruciatingly,
>  > > nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  > > well, nothing's changed.
>  >
>  > Apologies if asking you to repeat yourself, but I don't see the
>  > previous
>  > messages on this.
>
>  That's because he posted them to the Fedora Test list. Once again folks,
>  this is *the wrong list for discussing Rawhide*. 
  i know, my mistake, profuse apologies. i will take this back to the
test list.

rday

-- 

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Robert P. J. Day                                 Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
                        http://crashcourse.ca

Twitter:                                       http://twitter.com/rpjday
LinkedIn:                               http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
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[Ed Greshko]

On 04/05/14 21:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  That's because he posted them to the Fedora Test list. Once again
> folks,
>  this is *the wrong list for discussing Rawhide*. People who continue the
>  thread here are just compounding the problem, which is that many of
>  those developing Rawhide don't even read *this* list. 
Well, he had previously posted about this problem on the *test* list on 3/29 and has
gotten several replies and suggestions.  Some, like myself, haven't had any problems. 
Others have offered suggestions about not running the debug version of the kernel.  Then
there are the usual "flash is your problem" suggestions or asking about memory
capacity. 

I suggested here, and on the test list, that he try using a newly created user to
eliminate something in his environment.  I've not seen any response to my suggestion. 
So.....the troubleshooting of this issue seems haphazard at best.

Of course the idea of having a martini while waiting to switch tabs does appeal to me.

-- 
Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts

[Ted Roche]

On 04/04/2014 05:16 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>    following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
> excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  
Apologies if asking you to repeat yourself, but I don't see the previous
messages on this.

What have you tried? What do you see?

The internet is full of "Firefox is slow, and here's what to do"
postings. Over the years, I've run safe mode (see the man page), started
the Profile Manager (see the man page) and started with a clean profile,
enabled/disabled syncing, disabled all plugins, and disabled Flash, all
in attempts to fix a performance issue. All of which, in various
combinations, resulted in partial, temporary victories.

So, let us know what you've tried, so we can avoid repeating the internet.

Happily running F19 and FireFox 28.0,

Ted

-- 
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC  "Works fine on my machine" 
http://www.tedroche.com/

[poma]

On 05.04.2014 11:23, poma wrote:
>  On 04.04.2014 23:16, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> >   following up on my recent posts about how painfully, excruciatingly,
> > nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
> > well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
> > tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
> >
> >   so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
> > have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
> > anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
> >
> >   if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
> > wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
> >
> >   please ... thoughts?
> >
> > rday
> >
>  
>  The Firefox is executed within the Xorg - X server.
>  So you can start from there,
>  - Xorg module for video card
>  - Mesa-based DRI module
>  Down the rabbit hole,
>  - Kernel video module
>   
Xorg ati video module
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/xorg-x11-drv-ati

Xorg Intel video module
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/xorg-x11-drv-intel

Xorg nouveau video module
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/xorg-x11-drv-nouveau

Mesa-based DRI modules
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/mesa

For testing purposes you can temporarily switch to:
Xorg modesetting video module - basic modesetting fallback module
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/xorg-x11-drv-modesetting
i.e.
$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "Device"
	Identifier	"video0"
	Driver		"modesetting"
EndSection

Check what's happening with:
$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log


poma

[poma]

On 04.04.2014 23:16, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>  
>    following up on my recent posts about how painfully, excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
>  tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
>  
>    so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
>  have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
>  anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
>  
>    if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
>  wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
>  
>    please ... thoughts?
>  
>  rday
>   
The Firefox is executed within the Xorg - X server.
So you can start from there,
- Xorg module for video card
- Mesa-based DRI module
Down the rabbit hole,
- Kernel video module


poma

[Susi Lehtola]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT)
"Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday(a)crashcourse.ca&gt; wrote:
>    following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
> excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
>  tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
>  
>    so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
>  have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
>  anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
>  
>    if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
>  wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
>  
>    please ... thoughts? 
The flash plugin is infamous for doing this.
-- 
Susi Lehtola
Fedora Project Contributor
jussilehtola(a)fedoraproject.org

[g]

On 04/05/14 03:16, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>     following up on my recent posts about how painfully, excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
>  tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
>
>     so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
>  have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
>  anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
>
>     if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
>  wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
>
>     please ... thoughts? 

as mentioned, have you tried a new profile?

SWAG #1. have tried removing current firefox installation
and installed rawhide or earlier version?

SWAG #2. open "Browser Console" <ctrl+shift+j>,
select [Clear] button, restart firefox, try opening tabs,
after they open, <ctrl+shift+j> to see if anything shows.


-- 

peace out.

in a world with out fences, who needs gates.

tc.hago.

g
.

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/05/14 05:16, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>    following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
> excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
>  tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
>
>    so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
>  have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
>  anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
>
>    if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
>  wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
>
>    please ... thoughts? 
Must not be a general problem since.....

[egreshko@f20kde ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 21 (Rawhide)
[egreshko@f20kde ~]$ rpm -q firefox
firefox-28.0-3.fc21.x86_64
[egreshko@f20kde ~]$ uname -a
Linux f20kde 3.15.0-0.rc0.git7.1.fc21.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 01:09:55 UTC 2014 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

And all is running just fine for me.  I think others have said the same thing on the
"testing" list where this issue should be addressed.

I suppose you've already tried creating a new/clean user and have the same problem?


-- 
Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 04/04/14 23:16, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>     following up on my recent posts about how painfully, excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide,
>  well, nothing's changed.  when i do something as simple as switch
>  tabs, i can go fix myself a martini while waiting.
>
>     so ... what can i do to debug this? i'm using a non-debug kernel, i
>  have nothing else of any significance running, "top" doesn't show
>  anything else hogging resources ... so now what?
>
>     if i recall correctly, fedora 20 worked just fine, while i wouldn't
>  wish fedora rawhide on someone holding me up at gunpoint.
>
>     please ... thoughts?
>
>  rday
>  
Have you tried other browsers for example google-chrome?

-- 
Erik

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 17:16 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>    following up on my recent posts about how painfully,
> excruciatingly,
>  nad-grindingly, thigh-suckingly slow firefox is on fedora rawhide, 
Wrong list. Post this to the Fedora Test list.

poc