2:54 p.m.
Hi,
I wanted to remove all LibreOffice components so I tried the following
command:
sudo dnf remove -y @libreoffice
This resulted in:
No packages marked for removal.
Dependencies resolved.
============================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture
Version Repository
Size
============================================================================================================================================================================
Removing Groups:
LibreOffice
Transaction Summary
============================================================================================================================================================================
Complete!
This was strange since the group had no packages in it.
Why is that ?
Just to confirm I installed the LibreOffice group once again via:
sudo dnf install -y @libreoffice
And that resulted in:
Dependencies resolved.
============================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture
Version Repository
Size
============================================================================================================================================================================
Installing Groups:
LibreOffice
Transaction Summary
============================================================================================================================================================================
Complete!
Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
Why aren't the required packages in it ?
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
5:31 p.m.
On 21/11/2020 04:54, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
Why aren't the required packages in it ?
On my F33 system I get....
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
but
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info LibreOffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:08 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Group: LibreOffice
Description: LibreOffice Productivity Suite
Mandatory Packages:
libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-emailmerge
libreoffice-graphicfilter
libreoffice-impress
libreoffice-writer
Optional Packages:
libreoffice-base
libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-math
libreoffice-pyuno
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6:08 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 5:02 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote:
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
but
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info LibreOffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:08 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Group: LibreOffice
Description: LibreOffice Productivity Suite
Mandatory Packages:
libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-emailmerge
libreoffice-graphicfilter
libreoffice-impress
libreoffice-writer
Optional Packages:
libreoffice-base
libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-math
libreoffice-pyuno
Ok can you tell me how DNF actually works ?
I mean what is the difference between @libreoffice and LibreOffice ?
dnf group info LibreOffice
Does this mean that LibreOffice is installed ? If so isn't there a single
command to remove the group ?
How is
dnf group info LibreOffice
different from
dnf group info @libreoffice
What is going on here ?
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
6:44 p.m.
On 21/11/2020 08:08, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 5:02 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com
<mailto:ed.greshko@greshko.com>> wrote:
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
but
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info LibreOffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:08 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Group: LibreOffice
Description: LibreOffice Productivity Suite
Mandatory Packages:
libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-emailmerge
libreoffice-graphicfilter
libreoffice-impress
libreoffice-writer
Optional Packages:
libreoffice-base
libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-math
libreoffice-pyuno
Ok can you tell me how DNF actually works ?
I mean what is the difference between @libreoffice and LibreOffice ?
Have you had the chance to read the dnf man page?
Each <spec> can be either a <package-spec>, which specifies
a package directly, or a @<group-spec>, which specifies an (environ‐
ment) group which contains it.
You can use....
dnf group list
to get a list of the installed groups
dnf group info LibreOffice
Does this mean that LibreOffice is installed ? If so isn't there a single command to
remove the group ?
No, see above.
How is
dnf group info LibreOffice
different from
dnf group info @libreoffice
I actually don't use the @form of group-spec as I forgot (or maybe never knew) how to
get a list
of the corresponding @forms. I just use the full name in quotes.
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7:37 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:15 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote:
Have you had the chance to read the dnf man page?
Each <spec> can be either a <package-spec>, which specifies
a package directly, or a @<group-spec>, which specifies an (environ‐
ment) group which contains it.
I did, but it is not clear (at least to me) about where to use the @ symbol
and where not to. Which was kind of my point/question.
Any ways this does not still explain why the entire LibreOffice group is
blank, and why I can't remove LibreOffice cleanly in one go via the group
that it is supposed to be a part of.
You can use....
dnf group list
to get a list of the installed groups
The LibreOffice group does exist for me, but alas, it is empty.
I actually don't use the @form of group-spec as I forgot (or maybe never
knew) how to get a list
of the corresponding @forms. I just use the full name in quotes.
I think this is the more unambiguous approach to take.
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
8:26 p.m.
On 21/11/2020 09:37, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:15 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com
<mailto:ed.greshko@greshko.com>> wrote:
Have you had the chance to read the dnf man page?
Each <spec> can be either a <package-spec>, which specifies
a package directly, or a @<group-spec>, which specifies an (environ‐
ment) group which contains it.
I did, but it is not clear (at least to me) about where to use the @ symbol and where not
to. Which was kind of my point/question.
Samuel did answer that. It is the way to distinguish between a group name and package
name.
You can see this by the difference in using
sudo dnf autoremove libreoffice
and
sudo dnf autoremove @libreoffice
Any ways this does not still explain why the entire LibreOffice group is blank, and why I
can't remove LibreOffice cleanly in one go via the group that it is supposed to be a
part of.
You can use....
dnf group list
to get a list of the installed groups
The LibreOffice group does exist for me, but alas, it is empty.
So.....
dnf group info LibreOffice
returns nothing?
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7:06 p.m.
On 11/20/20 3:31 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 21/11/2020 04:54, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
>
>
> Why aren't the required packages in it ?
On my F33 system I get....
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
When you're doing group commands, you don't use the "@". That's
only
for package management commands to distinguish it from a package name.
"LibreOffice" and "libreoffice" are equivalent. The latter is the
short
form which makes more sense with other groups, particularly ones with
spaces.
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7:30 p.m.
On 21/11/2020 09:06, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/20/20 3:31 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 21/11/2020 04:54, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>> Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
>>
>>
>> Why aren't the required packages in it ?
>
> On my F33 system I get....
>
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22 2020.
> Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
When you're doing group commands, you don't use the "(a)". That's
only for package management commands to distinguish it from a package name.
"LibreOffice" and "libreoffice" are equivalent. The latter is the
short form which makes more sense with other groups, particularly ones with spaces.
OK. I'll admit that I've not spent much time on the "@" form and
when/how it is used.
At least I did learn that using "dnf -v group list" provides both the long and
non-space forms of
group names. And using --hidden reveals additional defined groups.
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7:16 p.m.
On 21/11/20 12:30 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 21/11/2020 09:06, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 11/20/20 3:31 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 21/11/2020 04:54, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>>> Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Why aren't the required packages in it ?
>>
>> On my F33 system I get....
>>
>> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf group info @libreoffice
>> Last metadata expiration check: 0:02:28 ago on Sat Nov 21 07:28:22
>> 2020.
>> Warning: Group @libreoffice does not exist.
>
> When you're doing group commands, you don't use the "(a)".
That's
> only for package management commands to distinguish it from a package
> name.
>
> "LibreOffice" and "libreoffice" are equivalent. The latter is
the
> short form which makes more sense with other groups, particularly
> ones with spaces.
OK. I'll admit that I've not spent much time on the "@" form and
when/how it is used.
At least I did learn that using "dnf -v group list" provides both the
long and non-space forms of
group names. And using --hidden reveals additional defined groups.
Using dnf group
list --ids also shows the long and short form of group
names.
regards,
Steve
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7:40 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:36 AM Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net> wrote:
When you're doing group commands, you don't use the "@". That's
only
for package management commands to distinguish it from a package name.
So what you mean to say is that when I am installing a group via dnf
install the @ is required but when I am using dnf group install @ is not
required since dnf already knows its a group.
Am I correct ?
"LibreOffice" and "libreoffice" are equivalent.
The latter is the short
form which makes more sense with other groups, particularly ones with
spaces.
Yes but this still does not explain why LibreOffice does not have its own
DNF Group (except for the one that does not work) .
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
9:35 p.m.
On 11/20/20 5:40 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:36 AM Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net
<mailto:samuel@sieb.net>> wrote:
So what you mean to say is that when I am installing a group via dnf
install the @ is required but when I am using dnf group install @ is not
required since dnf already knows its a group.
Am I correct ?
Yes.
"LibreOffice" and "libreoffice" are
equivalent. The latter is the
short
form which makes more sense with other groups, particularly ones with
spaces.
Yes but this still does not explain why LibreOffice does not have its
own DNF Group (except for the one that does not work) .
It does work, just not for what you're trying to do.
5:42 p.m.
On 2020-11-20 12:54, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to remove all LibreOffice components so I tried the following
command:
sudo dnf remove -y @libreoffice
This resulted in:
No packages marked for removal.
Dependencies resolved.
============================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture
Version Repository
Size
============================================================================================================================================================================
Removing Groups:
LibreOffice
Transaction Summary
============================================================================================================================================================================
Complete!
This was strange since the group had no packages in it.
Why is that ?
Just to confirm I installed the LibreOffice group once again via:
sudo dnf install -y @libreoffice
And that resulted in:
Dependencies resolved.
============================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture
Version Repository
Size
============================================================================================================================================================================
Installing Groups:
LibreOffice
Transaction Summary
============================================================================================================================================================================
Complete!
Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
Why aren't the required packages in it ?
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
Hi Sreyan,
Libre Office also does not remove prior major releases of itself as does
their Windows version. Makes for a mess.
You have to manually uninstall the old major release
manually.
I reported it to them a while back, but they blew me off.
Libre Office is not very good about taking bugs from
their users.
I would drop Libre Office, if I could. Soft Maker
looks like they are close to getting there. I will
migrate to them as soon as they start supporting
saving is ODX (spreadsheet) format. They currently
support saving in ODT. Soft Maker loads both
on ODX and ODT TEN times faster than Libre Office.
No fooling!
Soft Maker also has a free version called
Free Office, But the paid verions is very reasonable.
This is my keep on how to uninstall Libre Office
-T
RPM Removal of Libre Office:
# rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E
"libobasis|^libreoffice\.org|libreoffice|unoconv")
# rpm -e $(rpm -qa \*libreoffice\* | grep -i menu)
Also, go into /opt and remove the stray libreoffice* directories
To remove Libreoffice 5.2 after installing (Upgrading) 5.3:
# rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E "libobasis5.2|libreoffice5.2")
6:10 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 5:13 AM ToddAndMargo via users <
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
I reported it to them a while back, but they blew me off.
Libre Office is not very good about taking bugs from
their users.
Wow.
I would drop Libre Office, if I could. Soft Maker
looks like they are close to getting there. I
Soft Maker also has a free version called
Free Office, But the paid verions is very reasonable.
What about OnlyOffice ??
I am thinking of migrating to OnlyOffice.
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
6:34 p.m.
On 2020-11-20 16:10, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 5:13 AM ToddAndMargo via users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>>
wrote:
I reported it to them a while back, but they blew me off.
Libre Office is not very good about taking bugs from
their users.
Wow.
I would drop Libre Office, if I could. Soft Maker
looks like they are close to getting there. I
Soft Maker also has a free version called
Free Office, But the paid verions is very reasonable.
What about OnlyOffice ??
Never hear of it. I would love your feedback!
I am thinking of migrating to OnlyOffice.
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
7 p.m.
On 11/20/20 3:42 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Libre Office also does not remove prior major releases of itself as
does
their Windows version. Makes for a mess.
You have to manually uninstall the old major release
manually.
How is this relevant in the Fedora context? If you are installing
LibreOffice with dnf, it will certainly clean up previous versions.
7:31 p.m.
On 2020-11-20 17:00, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/20/20 3:42 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Libre Office also does not remove prior major releases of itself as
> does their Windows version. Makes for a mess.
> You have to manually uninstall the old major release
> manually.
How is this relevant in the Fedora context? If you are installing
LibreOffice with dnf, it will certainly clean up previous versions.
The dnf version is typically out-of-date, which considering
the quality issues and lack of bugs repairs from users, is
a good thing. I also have to run the RPM from LibreOffice
so I can be current with my Windows customers. And
LibreOffice rejects any trouble tickets on RPM versions,
not that they are likely to fix anything.
6:47 a.m.
On Nov 20, 2020, at 18:43, ToddAndMargo via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
Libre Office also does not remove prior major releases of itself as does their Windows
version. Makes for a mess.
You have to manually uninstall the old major release
manually.
I reported it to them a while back, but they blew me off.
Libre Office is not very good about taking bugs from
their users.
If you are reporting issues with the Fedora packages to the LibreOffice package
maintainers in Fedora, do you have a BZ for the ticket you filed? This absolutely should
be tracked as part of Fedora updates. If you filed a bug with upstream LibreOffice about
Fedora packaging issues, I am not surprised they ignored you.
RPM Removal of Libre Office:
# rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E
"libobasis|^libreoffice\.org|libreoffice|unoconv")
# rpm -e $(rpm -qa \*libreoffice\* | grep -i menu)
Also, go into /opt and remove the stray libreoffice* directories
To remove Libreoffice 5.2 after installing (Upgrading) 5.3:
# rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E "libobasis5.2|libreoffice5.2")
This isn’t advice I would offer anyone. There are very limited circumstances I’d ever
suggest using the —nodeps parameter with rpm, and that’s for last ditch RPM database
corruption or to fix interrupted transactions, it is never something involved in a regular
package update or removal. If you are using Fedora packages, you absolutely should never
need this to update r remove LibreOffice.
--
Jonathan Billings <billings(a)negate.org>
2:28 p.m.
On 2020-11-22 04:47, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Nov 20, 2020, at 18:43, ToddAndMargo via users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> Libre Office also does not remove prior major releases of itself as does their
Windows version. Makes for a mess.
> You have to manually uninstall the old major release
> manually.
>
> I reported it to them a while back, but they blew me off.
> Libre Office is not very good about taking bugs from
> their users.
If you are reporting issues with the Fedora packages to the LibreOffice package
maintainers in Fedora, do you have a BZ for the ticket you filed? This absolutely should
be tracked as part of Fedora updates. If you filed a bug with upstream LibreOffice about
Fedora packaging issues, I am not surprised they ignored you.
> RPM Removal of Libre Office:
>
>
> # rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E
"libobasis|^libreoffice\.org|libreoffice|unoconv")
> # rpm -e $(rpm -qa \*libreoffice\* | grep -i menu)
>
> Also, go into /opt and remove the stray libreoffice* directories
>
>
> To remove Libreoffice 5.2 after installing (Upgrading) 5.3:
> # rpm --nodeps -e $(rpm -qa | grep -i -E "libobasis5.2|libreoffice5.2")
This isn’t advice I would offer anyone. There are very limited circumstances I’d ever
suggest using the —nodeps parameter with rpm, and that’s for last ditch RPM database
corruption or to fix interrupted transactions, it is never something involved in a regular
package update or removal. If you are using Fedora packages, you absolutely should never
need this to update r remove LibreOffice.
--
Jonathan Billings <billings(a)negate.org>
Hi Jonathan,
I should have been more clear I was talking about
upstream's packages, not the fedora repo.
-T
7:33 p.m.
On 11/20/20 12:54 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
I wanted to remove all LibreOffice components so I tried the
following
command:
sudo dnf remove -y @libreoffice
This resulted in:
No packages marked for removal.
Dependencies resolved.
============================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture
Version Repository
Size
============================================================================================================================================================================
Removing Groups:
LibreOffice
Transaction Summary
============================================================================================================================================================================
Complete!
This was strange since the group had no packages in it.
Why is that ?
Why is there a blank group of LibreOffice ?
It's not blank.
Why aren't the required packages in it ?
From the man page:
dnf [options] group remove <group-spec>...
Mark the group removed and remove those packages in
the group from the system which do not belong to another installed group
and were not installed explicitly by the user.
I'm not sure exactly what the reason is, but on my system, removing the
group only removes a few fringe packages. I tried adding and removing
user and group markings and now it will remove less packages than
before. :-)
I've never found group remove to be really useful at all. It's most
useful for installing.
8:06 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:17 AM Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net> wrote:
It's not blank.
What do you mean it's not blank ?
On my system it removes nothing and adds nothing.
I'm not sure exactly what the reason is, but on my system, removing the
group only removes a few fringe packages. I tried adding and
removing
user and group markings and now it will remove less packages than
before. :-)
I've never found group remove to be really useful at all. It's most
useful for installing.
Can I add packages to the LibreOffice group now on my PC ?
--
Regards,
Sreyan Chakravarty
9:38 p.m.
On 11/20/20 6:06 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:17 AM Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net
<mailto:samuel@sieb.net>> wrote:
It's not blank.
What do you mean it's not blank ?
On my system it removes nothing and adds nothing.
dnf group info libreoffice
If the packages are already installed, then it won't add anything. And
removing groups doesn't work well.
Can I add packages to the LibreOffice group now on my PC ?
No, there's a file that defines the groups.
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