FC39 Upgrade failure - Kernel not in grub

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except 
that the kernel is NOT in grub.

All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.

I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by grub 
that that didn't work either.

RPM shows that the kernel is installed.

How do I progress from here?

Robin

[Mike Wright]

On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except 
> that the kernel is NOT in grub.
>
> All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.
>
> I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by grub 
> that that didn't work either.
>
> RPM shows that the kernel is installed.
>
> How do I progress from here?

sudo update-grub ?

[Robin Laing]

On 11/11/2023 22.12, Mike Wright wrote:
> On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except 
> > that the kernel is NOT in grub.
> >
> > All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.
> >
> > I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by 
> > grub that that didn't work either.
> >
> > RPM shows that the kernel is installed.
> >
> > How do I progress from here?
>
> sudo update-grub ?
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I tried that and it didn't work.

I got help on the Fedora Discord and it was a strange issue related to 
previous upgrades.

I had a directory on my system pointing to the FC39 kernel.

-rwx------. 1 root root 35973272 Nov 11 19:24 
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/initrd

The instructions I got were to remove that directory and run the command

rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add

Which brought me to this script to run.

/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?

The FC39 kernel now shows up when I run
    grubby --info=ALL

From the help on Discord, the comment was:

The existence of the directory 
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d triggers the update to 
generate systemd-boot configuration. In previous version it did not 
always do that.

I have done what I have been instructed remotely and will try booting in 
the morning to see if it worked.

Will post an update.

Robin

[Suse Shi]

https://www.shisaihua.com/fedora-39-upgraded-and-kernel-not-shown-in-grub-li...

to remove /boot/efi/xxxxxxxx folder works.

Robin Laing  于2023年11月12日周日 16:46写道：
> On 11/11/2023 22.12, Mike Wright wrote:
> > On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except
> > > that the kernel is NOT in grub.
> > >
> > > All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.
> > >
> > > I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by
> > > grub that that didn't work either.
> > >
> > > RPM shows that the kernel is installed.
> > >
> > > How do I progress from here?
> >
> > sudo update-grub ?
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>
> I tried that and it didn't work.
>
> I got help on the Fedora Discord and it was a strange issue related to
> previous upgrades.
>
> I had a directory on my system pointing to the FC39 kernel.
>
> -rwx------. 1 root root 35973272 Nov 11 19:24
> /boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/initrd
>
> The instructions I got were to remove that directory and run the command
>     rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add
>
> Which brought me to this script to run.
>
> /bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64
> /lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
>
> The FC39 kernel now shows up when I run
>         grubby --info=ALL
>
> From the help on Discord, the comment was:
>
> The existence of the directory
> /boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d triggers the update to
> generate systemd-boot configuration. In previous version it did not
> always do that.
>
> I have done what I have been instructed remotely and will try booting in
> the morning to see if it worked.
>
> Will post an update.
>
> Robin
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[Robin Laing]

In my searches, didn't come across that thread.  It was my first time on 
Discord.

I didn't have to re-install the kernel, just ran the script that Villy 
Kruse recommended.

-------------
The exact command to do that you can find by running

rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add

Example

/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.9-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.9-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.10-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.10-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?

Re-installing the latest kernel-core package would do the same thing 
except downloading it again from the repository.
     ----------------

Computer booted today and now works.

Robin

On 12/11/2023 05.59, Suse Shi wrote:
> https://www.shisaihua.com/fedora-39-upgraded-and-kernel-not-shown-in-grub-li... https://www.shisaihua.com/fedora-39-upgraded-and-kernel-not-shown-in-grub-list/
>
> to remove /boot/efi/xxxxxxxx folder works.
>
> Robin Laing <[e-mail] > 于 
> 2023年11月12日周日 16:46写道：
> On 11/11/2023 22.12, Mike Wright wrote:
>  > On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:
>  >> Hello,
>  >>
>  >> I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well
> except
>  >> that the kernel is NOT in grub.
>  >>
>  >> All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39
> kernel.
>  >>
>  >> I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by
>  >> grub that that didn't work either.
>  >>
>  >> RPM shows that the kernel is installed.
>  >>
>  >> How do I progress from here?
>  >
>  > sudo update-grub ?
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>
> I tried that and it didn't work.
>
> I got help on the Fedora Discord and it was a strange issue related to
> previous upgrades.
>
> I had a directory on my system pointing to the FC39 kernel.
>
> -rwx------. 1 root root 35973272 Nov 11 19:24
> /boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/initrd
>
> The instructions I got were to remove that directory and run the command
>
>          rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add
>
> Which brought me to this script to run.
>
> /bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64
> /lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
>
> The FC39 kernel now shows up when I run
>          grubby --info=ALL
>
>   From the help on Discord, the comment was:
>
> The existence of the directory
> /boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d triggers the update to
> generate systemd-boot configuration. In previous version it did not
> always do that.
>
> I have done what I have been instructed remotely and will try
> booting in
> the morning to see if it worked.
>
> Will post an update.
>
> Robin
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>
> -- 
> Regards,
> -suse

[Barry]

> On 12 Nov 2023, at 21:51, Robin Laing  wrote:
>
> It was my first time on Discord.

Its discuss not discord.

Barry

[Robin Laing]

Okay.

My confusion.

Still my first time to use it.

On 12/11/2023 15.57, Barry wrote:
> > On 12 Nov 2023, at 21:51, Robin Laing  wrote:
> >
> > It was my first time on Discord.
>
> Its discuss not discord.
>
> Barry

Okay.

My confusion.

Still my first time to use it.

I thought it was discuss on discord.  Everything else seems to be going 
to Discord and my mind just thought the same thing.  I am sorry.

Robin

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2023-11-12 at 22:24 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
> Okay.
>
> My confusion.
>
> Still my first time to use it.
>
> On 12/11/2023 15.57, Barry wrote:
> > > On 12 Nov 2023, at 21:51, Robin Laing 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > It was my first time on Discord.
> >
> > Its discuss not discord.
> >
> > Barry
>
> Okay.
>
> My confusion.
>
> Still my first time to use it.
>
> I thought it was discuss on discord.  Everything else seems to be
> going 
> to Discord and my mind just thought the same thing.  I am sorry.

AFAIK it's Discourse, not Discuss (or Discord). I say this only because
the official Evolution support has moved to that platform along with a
lot of other Gnome stuff.

Suffice it to say that I detest it, but that's another topic.

poc

[Barry Scott]

> On 13 Nov 2023, at 11:01, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
>
> AFAIK it's Discourse, not Discuss (or Discord). I say this only because
> the official Evolution support has moved to that platform along with a
> lot of other Gnome stuff.

You are right the software is Discourse (https://www.discourse.org/) and web sites often use discuss.<domain>.

Fedora uses discussion.fedoraproject.org http://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
KDE uses discuss.kde.org
Python uses discuss.python.org http://discuss.python.org/

Personally I prefer discourse to email for its markup and editing capabilities.

Barry

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 11:39 +0000, Barry Scott wrote:
> > On 13 Nov 2023, at 11:01, Patrick O'Callaghan
> >  wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK it's Discourse, not Discuss (or Discord). I say this only
> > because
> > the official Evolution support has moved to that platform along
> > with a
> > lot of other Gnome stuff.
>
> You are right the software is Discourse (https://www.discourse.org/)
> and web sites often use discuss.<domain>.
>
> Fedora uses discussion.fedoraproject.org
> http://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
> KDE uses discuss.kde.org
> Python uses discuss.python.org http://discuss.python.org/
>
> Personally I prefer discourse to email for its markup and editing
> capabilities.

I dislike it because a) it requires a browser (I know you can interact
with it via email, but that's genuinely terrible, and b) discussions
disappear after a time rather than being permanently available.

I could go on, but I don't want to hijack this thread.

poc

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 7:26 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 11:39 +0000, Barry Scott wrote:
> > > On 13 Nov 2023, at 11:01, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > AFAIK it's Discourse, not Discuss (or Discord). I say this only
> > > because
> > > the official Evolution support has moved to that platform along
> > > with a
> > > lot of other Gnome stuff.
> >
> > You are right the software is Discourse (https://www.discourse.org/)
> > and web sites often use discuss.<domain>.
> >
> > Fedora uses discussion.fedoraproject.org
> > http://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
> > KDE uses discuss.kde.org
> > Python uses discuss.python.org http://discuss.python.org/
> >
> > Personally I prefer discourse to email for its markup and editing
> > capabilities.
>
> I dislike it because a) it requires a browser (I know you can interact
> with it via email, but that's genuinely terrible, and b) discussions
> disappear after a time rather than being permanently available.

Yeah, things were a lot better with mailing lists. You did not have to
join a social media site, you weren't the product, and search engines
could index the messages and subsequently return them in search
results. Nowadays it's difficult to find things.
> I could go on, but I don't want to hijack this thread.

You can't put that genie back in the bottle :)

Jeff

[Barry]

> On 13 Nov 2023, at 12:27, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
>
> b) discussions
> disappear after a time rather than being permanently available.

I am not noticing any deletion of posts.

Barry

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 21:06 +0000, Barry wrote:
> > On 13 Nov 2023, at 12:27, Patrick O'Callaghan
> >  wrote:
> >
> > b) discussions
> > disappear after a time rather than being permanently available.
>
> I am not noticing any deletion of posts.

I've only used the Evolution forum, but there is an explicit statement
under every thread:

This topic will close a month after the last reply.

I don't know if this is specific to Evolution, or to Gnome, or to
Discourse, but I think it's indicative of an attitude that topics (by
which they seem to mean threads) are only of transient relevance,
something completely at odds with the goals of a support forum.

That's why a group of us set up a more traditional mailing list for
Evolution when the existing one was shut down by Gnome. Those
interested can find it at:

https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users

poc

[Barry]

> On 13 Nov 2023, at 22:54, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
>
> This topic will close a month after the last reply.

That means closed to new replies, not that it is deleted.

Barry

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2023-11-14 at 14:22 +0000, Barry wrote:
> > On 13 Nov 2023, at 22:54, Patrick O'Callaghan
> >  wrote:
> >
> > This topic will close a month after the last reply.
>
> That means closed to new replies, not that it is deleted.

Maybe, but it still means one can't answer an old question, which is
sometimes useful, including if one wants to reply to one's own query
with SOLVED.

poc

[Barry Scott]

> On 14 Nov 2023, at 16:17, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
>
> Maybe, but it still means one can't answer an old question, which is
> sometimes useful, including if one wants to reply to one's own query
> with SOLVED.

That is a policy that the site chooses.
With the Fedora discuss the infrastructure people are open to adapting policy over time to what serves the community well.

I don't think there is a close time for the discuss.fedoraproject.org topics, or its very large.

Some topics get locked to prevent further comment as a moderator action, but that is rare.

Barry

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2023-11-14 at 16:44 +0000, Barry Scott wrote:
> > On 14 Nov 2023, at 16:17, Patrick O'Callaghan
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Maybe, but it still means one can't answer an old question, which
> > is
> > sometimes useful, including if one wants to reply to one's own
> > query
> > with SOLVED.
>
> That is a policy that the site chooses.
> With the Fedora discuss the infrastructure people are open to
> adapting policy over time to what serves the community well.
>
> I don't think there is a close time for the discuss.fedoraproject.org
> topics, or its very large.

In the case of Gnome, the policy appears to be to regard month-old
topics as closed, which IMO is mistaken. However I concede that this
isn't necessarily a point against Discourse. The fact remains that it's
hard to use effectively without a browser, which is my main objection,
not to mention the social-media orientation of much of the interface.

Again, this is OT for the thread so I suggest we leave it there. If
Fedora ever decides to close down this list because "there's a
Discourse forum which fulfils the same function" (which is essentially
what Gnome has done) we'll no doubt come back to it.

poc