Re: is something wrong with email server?

[AP]

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> No, AP's replies don't contain any "References:" or "In-Reply-To:"
> headers.

I really don't know about it.

is something wrong with email server?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 11/28/2013 04:32 PM, AP wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> > No, AP's replies don't contain any "References:" or "In-Reply-To:"
> > headers.
>
> I really don't know about it.

Check this how this list's archive:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/thread.html

You can clearly see the breakage you are causing: All of your postings 
start a new thread, i.e. replies of yours do not appear in the thread 
you are replying to.

Ralf

is something wrong with email server?

[g]

On 11/28/2013 10:00 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
<>
> Check this how this list's archive:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/thread.html
>
> You can clearly see the breakage you are causing: All of your
> postings start a new thread, i.e. replies of yours do not appear in
> the thread you are replying to.

thanks for taking time to look at archives and posting about ap's
broken threading, which does confirm what most are saying about ap's
thread breaking.

and, it tends to answer why "David " saying that
he does not have broken threads with his thunderbird 24x, yet, when
i ask him to supply his "View" settings, he does not, and only
says that it is his "magical" filtering.

with the claims of ap not screwing with gmail and david having his
_mystical_filters_, it looks like i have 2 new candidates for my
"pesticide" filter;

(X) Match any of the following
    [From] [contains] [[e-mail]]
    [From] [contains] [[e-mail]]

Preform these actions:
    [Mark As Read]
    [Delete Message]

i am considering adding to filter;

[Subject] [contains] [Why some say "rpm hell"]

something that just might be showing that there really is nothing
wrong with email server and that it is a user error or intent.

make note of content of header "DKIM-Signature:", from emails of
2 gmail users;

{non-broken}
  DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com;
  s=20120113;
    h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-
  id:subject:from:to
    :content-type;

In-Reply-To: 
  References:
  
     
     
    
  Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:24:20 +0000
  Message-ID:
  
  Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
  From: Ian Malone

{broken}
  DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com;
  s=20120113;
    h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:29:14 +0530
  Message-ID:
  
  Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
  From: AP

also, note difference of broken and non-broken post by same poster;

{non-broken}
  DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com;
  s=20120113;
    h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-
  id:subject:from:to
    :content-type;

In-Reply-To: 
  References: 
  Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:41:57 +0000
  Message-ID:
  
  Subject: Re: is something wrong with email server?
  From: Ian Malone

{broken}
  DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com;
  s=20120113;
    h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:50:37 +0000
  Message-ID: <CAL3-7MpH5KiFTRwcMB6CD3DNRTAc_6JjP-
  ZxnkXh+ndi1H=[e-mail]>
  Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
  From: Ian Malone

the above 4 headers, tend to show that it is more like user error,
user abuse, user intention.

think about it. ;=)

is something wrong with email server?

[David]

On 11/28/2013 12:55 PM, g wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 10:00 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> <>
> > Check this how this list's archive:
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/thread.html
> >
> > You can clearly see the breakage you are causing: All of your
> > postings start a new thread, i.e. replies of yours do not appear in
> > the thread you are replying to.
>
> thanks for taking time to look at archives and posting about ap's
> broken threading, which does confirm what most are saying about ap's
> thread breaking.
>
> and, it tends to answer why "David " saying that
> he does not have broken threads with his thunderbird 24x, yet, when
> i ask him to supply his "View" settings, he does not, and only
> says that it is his "magical" filtering.
>
> with the claims of ap not screwing with gmail and david having his
> _mystical_filters_, it looks like i have 2 new candidates for my
> "pesticide" filter;

I did not answer before because I thought that 'we' had been OT and
BSing long enough. Plus the holiday. But you seem insistent.

Nothing "magical" about it at all g.

I POP my email accounts and all received goes to Local Folders/Inbox/

There they are acted on by Thunderbird's Message Filter system and
sorted and moved to various sub folders using filters that I wrote.
These emails go to /Local Folders / Mailing Lists / Fedora / Users.

The filter reads:

name="Fedora - Users"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Move to folder"
actionValue="mailbox://nobody@Local%20Folders/Inbox/Mailing%20Lists/Fedora/Users"
condition="AND (to or cc,contains,[e-mail])"

The Threading is done by Thunderbird in the folder(s).

Menu Bar > View > Threads > All   and selected in the per folder
settings as 'Thread" (enabled)

The link to BoxNet that I posted to this list shows an AP email that
show the header of one of his emails.

https://app.box.com/s/78msc32ktf0k6oed51wq

As I said. No magic in sight.   :-)

is something wrong with email server?

[g]

On 11/28/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote:
<<>>
> The Threading is done by Thunderbird in the folder(s).
>
> Menu Bar > View > Threads > All   and selected in the per folder
> settings as 'Thread" (enabled)

'thread' is understood, but there are more settings to select
like i asked about, ie;

View > Sort by >

which is _actual_ of what thread is _sorted_by_.

is something wrong with email server?

[David]

On 11/28/2013 3:40 PM, g wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote:
> <<>>
> > The Threading is done by Thunderbird in the folder(s).
> >
> > Menu Bar > View > Threads > All   and selected in the per folder
> > settings as 'Thread" (enabled)
>
> 'thread' is understood, but there are more settings to select
> like i asked about, ie;
>
> View > Sort by >
>
> which is _actual_ of what thread is _sorted_by_.

Which is set to 'date', 'Ascending, and 'Threaded'. Basically the same
settings that have worked for me since at least Thunderbird 2.0.

is something wrong with email server?

[g]

On 11/28/2013 02:54 PM, David wrote:
<>
> Which is set to 'date', 'Ascending, and 'Threaded'. Basically the
> same settings that have worked for me since at least Thunderbird
> 2.0.

my settings similar in that i use 'order received'. regardless
of all the possible settings that i use, ap still breaks threading
with this release as he does with others and the fedora archives.

being that i am here and you are there, we can not look at each
others systems.

therefore all i can and will say of anything further, you have
an unusual thunderbird. :=)

*metaxa. opa*