People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .
Thanks,
Phil.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to:
Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?
Doug,
On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to:
Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?
Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . .
P.
On Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:11:23 +1000 Philip Rhoades via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Doug,
On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting
here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had
direct access to everything I need to get to:
Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?
Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . .
P.
Did you consider the opposite? I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. ;-)
BR, Bob
Bob,
On 2021-07-07 09:22, Bob Marcan wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:11:23 +1000 Philip Rhoades via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Doug,
On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting
here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had
direct access to everything I need to get to:
Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?
Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . .
P.
Did you consider the opposite? I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. ;-)
Hmm . . interesting . .
Thanks!
Phil.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 23:34:21 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 7/6/21 4:22 PM, Bob Marcan wrote:
Did you consider the opposite? I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. ;-)
That's what Xwayland is for. What are you missing? _______________________________________________
Running fvwm under Wayland? :-(
On 2021-07-08 12:19 a.m., Bob Marcan wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 23:34:21 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 7/6/21 4:22 PM, Bob Marcan wrote:
Did you consider the opposite? I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. ;-)
That's what Xwayland is for. What are you missing? _______________________________________________
Running fvwm under Wayland? :-(
It doesn't quite work like that. Wayland is a protocol, so fvwm needs to implement the Wayland protocol, it doesn't run on Wayland.
On 7/6/21 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .
I personally don't see the benefit of it, but you can either install the Gnome Classic session (gnome-classic-session) and pick that at login or you can install the Window List extension (gnome-shell-extension-window-list) and enable it.
Samuel,
On 2021-07-08 16:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 7/6/21 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .
I personally don't see the benefit of it, but you can either install the Gnome Classic session (gnome-classic-session) and pick that at login or you can install the Window List extension (gnome-shell-extension-window-list) and enable it.
I will have a look at those things.
Thanks,
Phil.
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 03:30:41AM +1000, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here
- I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
You could try the desktop list: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.or...
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .
You might consider:
Using alt-tab to switch between windows/applications instead of clicking on a taskbar? If the default alt-tab isn't to your liking (by default it lists all applications and windows in those applications seperately) you can change it to do every window instead.
or
Hit the 'meta' key (the windows key on many keyboards) to go to the overview and all your apps, workspaces are shown there. You can even hit meta and type the first part of whatever you are looking for is, and if it's running, it will take you directly to it (ie, 'fire' return, takes me to my firefox window. more shortcuts at https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html...
or
If you have a touchpad you can use gestures to switch to the overview, between desktops, between apps. See https://forty.gnome.org/ for more info.
Finally if that doesn't work, you could look at extensions. There's likely extensions that do what you like. See https://extensions.gnome.org I would advise trying to adjust your workflow to use keyboard or overview thought. That way you avoid extensions that might break and it actually (IMHO) ends up being easier in the end.
Hope that helps,
kevin
Kevin,
On 2021-07-08 23:29, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 03:30:41AM +1000, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
People,
There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting here
- I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
You could try the desktop list: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.or...
I will repost there if I can't recover some of the lost productivity with ideas suggested here - thanks.
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs of each app eg: Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc. Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work environment? I want to persist with this environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .
You might consider:
Using alt-tab to switch between windows/applications instead of clicking on a taskbar? If the default alt-tab isn't to your liking (by default it lists all applications and windows in those applications seperately) you can change it to do every window instead.
Alt-TAB does not work the same way as in XFCE4 - it looks like I could do what I usually do with:
Alt-TAB Alt-`
but that is a two-step process.
Hit the 'meta' key (the windows key on many keyboards) to go to the overview and all your apps, workspaces are shown there. You can even hit meta and type the first part of whatever you are looking for is, and if it's running, it will take you directly to it (ie, 'fire' return, takes me to my firefox window. more shortcuts at
Very clumsy . .
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html...
As mentioned above, I did find that and it helped a little . .
If you have a touchpad you can use gestures to switch to the overview, between desktops, between apps. See https://forty.gnome.org/ for more info.
I am on a desktop top and hate having to touch the mouse unnecessarily . .
Finally if that doesn't work, you could look at extensions. There's likely extensions that do what you like. See https://extensions.gnome.org I would advise trying to adjust your workflow to use keyboard or overview thought. That way you avoid extensions that might break and it actually (IMHO) ends up being easier in the end.
I will check them out - thanks!
Phil.
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