remote wayland display

[Samuel Sieb]

I mentioned it deep in a thread so it wasn't very visible.  There's a 
program called "waypipe" for viewing wayland applications from a remote 
computer.  I tested it out and it is amazing how well it works compared 
to X11 forwarding.  I will definitely be using this going forward.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 4/23/25 12:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> I mentioned it deep in a thread so it wasn't very visible.  There's a 
> program called "waypipe" for viewing wayland applications from a remote 
> computer.  I tested it out and it is amazing how well it works compared 
> to X11 forwarding.  I will definitely be using this going forward.

Awesome!   I use Geany and Leafpad on ssh X11.  It is really slow and 
clunky.

But I also do not currently use Wayland as my remote assistance
software does not support Wayland (Anydesk).  I am not sure they
ever will.

HelpWire does support Wayland, but the client download is a tar ball
and you have to manually manipulate it to get it to run.  Easy stuff
for me, but not for a user.  I have told them it need to be a single
file that can be downloaded and directly run, just like their Windows 
clients.  Their consultant side is an rpm and it runs really well.

Be nice if I could find someone selling Rust hosting services.

[Neal Becker]

I need desktop persistence.  I've used x2go, but lately I'm using xpra.
Both are X11 only, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 4:42 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On 4/23/25 12:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > I mentioned it deep in a thread so it wasn't very visible.  There's a
> > program called "waypipe" for viewing wayland applications from a remote
> > computer.  I tested it out and it is amazing how well it works compared
> > to X11 forwarding.  I will definitely be using this going forward.
>
> Awesome!   I use Geany and Leafpad on ssh X11.  It is really slow and
> clunky.
>
> But I also do not currently use Wayland as my remote assistance
> software does not support Wayland (Anydesk).  I am not sure they
> ever will.
>
> HelpWire does support Wayland, but the client download is a tar ball
> and you have to manually manipulate it to get it to run.  Easy stuff
> for me, but not for a user.  I have told them it need to be a single
> file that can be downloaded and directly run, just like their Windows
> clients.  Their consultant side is an rpm and it runs really well.
>
> Be nice if I could find someone selling Rust hosting services.
>
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[ToddAndMargo]

On 4/23/25 1:50 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> but lately I'm using xpra

1) does it open an independent session from the console use?

2) does it open to the session on the console?

3) does it have multi-factor authentication (QR tabs,etc.)

4) will it co-exist with Wayland?

5) how much of your hair do you have to tear out to
set it up?

[Barry Scott]

> On 23 Apr 2025, at 23:58, ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:
>
> On 4/23/25 1:50 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > but lately I'm using xpra
>
> does it open an independent session from the console use?
>
> does it open to the session on the console?
>
> does it have multi-factor authentication (QR tabs,etc.)
>
> will it co-exist with Wayland?
>
> how much of your hair do you have to tear out to
>
> set it up?

You could just try it out and answer these question for yourself in a few moments.

Just saying...

Barry
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[ToddAndMargo]

On 4/24/25 2:47 AM, Barry Scott wrote:
> > On 23 Apr 2025, at 23:58, ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:
> >
> > On 4/23/25 1:50 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > > but lately I'm using xpra
> >
> > does it open an independent session from the console use?
> >
> > does it open to the session on the console?
> >
> > does it have multi-factor authentication (QR tabs,etc.)
> >
> > will it co-exist with Wayland?
> >
> > how much of your hair do you have to tear out to
> >
> > set it up?
>
> You could just try it out and answer these question for yourself in a few moments.
>
> Just saying...
>
> Barry

A quick tryout does not always answer all your questions.
It is better to get information from an actual user.
Then try it out.

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 6:59 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On 4/23/25 1:50 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > but lately I'm using xpra
>
> does it open an independent session from the console use?
>
> does it open to the session on the console?
>
> does it have multi-factor authentication (QR tabs,etc.)
>
> will it co-exist with Wayland?
>
> how much of your hair do you have to tear out to
>
> set it up?

Both x2go and xpra allow you to connect to a complete remote desktop.  The
desktop is persistent,  so all the work I'm doing is still there when I
reconnect.  In fact, any running processes connected to that desktop keep
running whether I'm connected to the gui or not.   Reconnection with a
network change is no problem, so I can and do regularly reconnect from
different locations with no issues.
Perfect for my use case, which often requires long-running ML or
simulations.

Sorry, I don't understand the 1st 2 questions.
Both are built on ssh, so whatever authentication you have setup for ssh
should work AFAIK.
All X apps co-exist with wayland.  You can run all the wayland on your
local machine you like and also in parallel run X11 apps, of which these 2
remote desktops are examples.

IIRC I didn't have much trouble setting up x2go.  I did have 1 annoyance
with it.  I have my caps-lock remapped as ctrl.  Every time I start a
*new *x2go
session (not connect to an existing one) I have  to fuss around with
getting this remapping working.  I rarely start a new session, so it's not
a big deal.

x2go is built on a wonderful Xwindow compression library which was
developed by an Italian company, which went out of business about 10 years
ago, but the code is all open source so various other projects now adopt
it.  It is fantastic for low bandwidth connections, otherwise X is very
chatty and performs badly.  There is a Fedora repo for x2go and
installation should be easy (if you follow the instructions and add the
repo).  You'll need a client on the local and a server on the remote.

xpra is available in Fedora.  The version there is I believe a bit old and
I actually built and installed a newer one.  If you go to xpra source,
there is an rpmbuild setup.  I just used it and I believe built with little
or no problem.  I did have a bit  of trouble initially learning how to
start it for my use case (just a 1-line CLI), but the maintainers are very
responsive and told me how to do it.  If you're interested I can provide
the rpms (version 6.3 something), but probably you should try the Fedora
version and see if that does what you want.  I initially went this route
when I was first learning about xpra setup, don't actually recall what
motivated me to build my own newer version.

For either one you should use a simple remote desktop to avoid issues (I'm
looking at you, KDE).  lxde is a good choice.