I want my session to include OpenOffice.org on one workspace, Firefox on another, and Thunderbird on yet another. Unfortunately, gnome-session says "these windows do not support 'save current setup'...". I was still able to add them to my session through the "Startup Programs" tab in gnome-session, but I see no way to specify the workspace to start in.
Is there a way, with the programs included with Fedora Core 3, to start these applications on a specific workspace. I assumed there was a cli program to set the workspace, but found none.
On Thursday 30 December 2004 20:21, Schlaegel wrote:
I want my session to include OpenOffice.org on one workspace, Firefox on another, and Thunderbird on yet another. Unfortunately, gnome-session says "these windows do not support 'save current setup'...". I was still able to add them to my session through the "Startup Programs" tab in gnome-session, but I see no way to specify the workspace to start in.
Is there a way, with the programs included with Fedora Core 3, to start these applications on a specific workspace. I assumed there was a cli program to set the workspace, but found none.
Do you have the feeling of deja-vu? It's been a while that this topic came up but basicly metacity (the gnome window manager by default) requires apps to have working session management. Allowing the app to mess around with that by starting apps on specific desktops has been decided to be a bad idea (something many people disagree with) and stuff that used to work with fvwm (-xrm "*Desk: 1" and the like) or window binding ala sawfish have never been implemented. See the discussion here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00171.html
Peter.
Peter Arremann wrote:
Do you have the feeling of deja-vu? It's been a while that this topic came up but basicly metacity (the gnome window manager by default) requires apps to have working session management. Allowing the app to mess around with that by starting apps on specific desktops has been decided to be a bad idea (something many people disagree with) and stuff that used to work with fvwm (-xrm "*Desk: 1" and the like) or window binding ala sawfish have never been implemented. See the discussion here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00171.html
I see that this is an old problem; I wasn't around these lists back in 2002. In the thread you mentioned, Havoc said that the spec has been around since 1994 and it only "takes a day or two to implement". Is everything still in the same state that it was in 2002? It is hard for me to believe that Red Hat has not had the expertise, desire, and time to devote a day or two to get OpenOffice.org and Firefox session aware. ---
Back in 2002 Havoc Pennington wrote: (https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00172.html)
Making apps session aware is in no way difficult, and should be an expected feature for applications.
Havoc Pennington also wrote: (https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00211.html)
It's not about gnome aware, it's about compliance with a session management spec that's been a core X standard since 1994 and takes a day or two to implement and all GNOME, KDE, and CDE apps already implement. :-/ twm implements it. I mean, come on.
Moreover there are reasons to implement the spec other than saving state (such as asking if the user wants to save documents on logout). And apps can save more state than window positions if they implement the spec, such as window contents.
Havoc Pennington also wrote: (https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00194.html)
...apps can be fixed in a matter of a couple days each... File bugs on the apps you use, and lobby their maintainers.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:43:47 -0800, Schlaegel 777tahder@schlaegel.com wrote:
Peter Arremann wrote:
Do you have the feeling of deja-vu? It's been a while that this topic came up but basicly metacity (the gnome window manager by default) requires apps to have working session management. Allowing the app to mess around with that by starting apps on specific desktops has been decided to be a bad idea (something many people disagree with) and stuff that used to work with fvwm (-xrm "*Desk: 1" and the like) or window binding ala sawfish have never been implemented. See the discussion here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/limbo-list/2002-July/msg00171.html
I see that this is an old problem; I wasn't around these lists back in 2002. In the thread you mentioned, Havoc said that the spec has been around since 1994 and it only "takes a day or two to implement". Is everything still in the same state that it was in 2002? It is hard for me to believe that Red Hat has not had the expertise, desire, and time to devote a day or two to get OpenOffice.org and Firefox session aware.
file bugs in bugzilla.redhat.com
On Saturday 01 January 2005 14:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:43:47 -0800, Schlaegel 777tahder@schlaegel.com
wrote:
I see that this is an old problem; I wasn't around these lists back in 2002. In the thread you mentioned, Havoc said that the spec has been around since 1994 and it only "takes a day or two to implement". Is everything still in the same state that it was in 2002? It is hard for me to believe that Red Hat has not had the expertise, desire, and time to devote a day or two to get OpenOffice.org and Firefox session aware.
file bugs in bugzilla.redhat.com
2.0 OpenOffice is supposed to have completely rewritten session management. If I recall correctly the old session management code basicly just handled windows - the new one is supposed to be cross platform. Its been a while that I looked at it but there are some pretty current threads about that (http://gsl.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=issues&msgNo=7409)
No idea about firefox though...
Peter.
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