I've just installed Fedora-22 from a Fedora-22 Live KDE usb stick. After dnf-installing a few packages, most things seem to be working, but I'm puzzled by the apparent lack of a panel, or if the bar at the top with Activities and Time are the panel then I'm puzzled by the lack of icons in the panel.
I read advice to right-click in the panel, but if this is the panel that has no effect.
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
A very ignorant question - I see everyone refers to KDE Plasma. Is there in fact another non-Plasma version of KDE that one could run under Fedora?
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 14:19 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've just installed Fedora-22 from a Fedora-22 Live KDE usb stick. After dnf-installing a few packages, most things seem to be working, but I'm puzzled by the apparent lack of a panel, or if the bar at the top with Activities and Time are the panel then I'm puzzled by the lack of icons in the panel.
I read advice to right-click in the panel, but if this is the panel that has no effect.
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
A very ignorant question - I see everyone refers to KDE Plasma. Is there in fact another non-Plasma version of KDE that one could run under Fedora?
There have been some name changes, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE#Brand_repositioning:
"After the repositioning, the name KDE no longer stands for K Desktop Environment, as it now acts as an umbrella brand for software produced by the community. What would have been previously known as KDE 4 will now be referred as "KDE Software Compilation 4" (abbreviated "KDE SC 4").[10] Regardless, many users still refer to it as KDE 4. With the releases of Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5, the term "Software Compilation" is again retired, in favor of the names of each specific product the KDE community produces.[11] Many users still refer to various parts of the project (particularly Plasma) as KDE 5."
So no, it doesn't make sense to have a KDE without Plasma. Also, note that a further change has introduced the name "KDE Frameworks", which is why most of the components are now called "kf5-*".
The Fedora KDE list would be the place to discuss this (I think you also hang out there), see https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
A very ignorant question - I see everyone refers to KDE Plasma. Is there in fact another non-Plasma version of KDE that one could run under Fedora?
There have been some name changes, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE#Brand_repositioning:
Thanks very much for your response. I skipped through the document above, but decided serious study was not a fruitful use of my time.
"After the repositioning, the name KDE no longer stands for K Desktop Environment, as it now acts as an umbrella brand for software produced by the community. What would have been previously known as KDE 4 will now be referred as "KDE Software Compilation 4" (abbreviated "KDE SC 4").[10] Regardless, many users still refer to it as KDE 4. With the releases of Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5, the term "Software Compilation" is again retired, in favor of the names of each specific product the KDE community produces.[11] Many users still refer to various parts of the project (particularly Plasma) as KDE 5."
I'm afraid my conclusion on reading this is that the KDE team are seriously lacking in common sense.
As far as I can see, the term Fedora/KDE is unambiguous, and the addition of the word Plasma adds nothing to it. I put it in the same pigeon-hole as saying GNU/Linux for Linux.
The Fedora KDE list would be the place to discuss this (I think you also hang out there), see https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
I should indeed have sent my post to the redhat.fedora.kde newsgroup; but for reasons that escape me my posts to that newsgroup (through gmane) sometimes appear, and sometimes do not appear.
On 07/14/15 20:19, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
In addition to what poc said, there are still multiple virtual desktops. I'm running 6. The one thing that is currently missing, and which may be being worked, is the inability to have different wallpaper on each virtual desktop.
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/14/15 20:19, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
In addition to what poc said, there are still multiple virtual desktops. I'm running 6. The one thing that is currently missing, and which may be being worked, is the inability to have different wallpaper on each virtual desktop.
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
But is this bar at the top of my display a panel? It has 3 segments - Activities (on the left), which takes me to Favourites, Data/Time (in the center) which also tells me about e-mail arrivals, and a tray (on the right) which opens a small window with 3 icons which I take to be System Settings, Screen Lock, and Shutdown/Restart. (That is the only way I see to go to System Settings.)
Some things work well in Fedora-22 - I don't mind writing dnf instead of yum (doesn't sound so nice) and it seems to be significantly faster. The display seems to me a little better on my ThinkPad T510. I was surprised that my Firefox, KNode and KMail settings were automatically updated - I assume that the data is saved somewhere in my home folder. The loss of the old panel is slightly annoying, but that is all.
On 07/14/2015 08:16 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/14/15 20:19, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
In addition to what poc said, there are still multiple virtual desktops. I'm running 6. The one thing that is currently missing, and which may be being worked, is the inability to have different wallpaper on each virtual desktop.
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
But is this bar at the top of my display a panel? It has 3 segments - Activities (on the left), which takes me to Favourites, Data/Time (in the center) which also tells me about e-mail arrivals, and a tray (on the right) which opens a small window with 3 icons which I take to be System Settings, Screen Lock, and Shutdown/Restart. (That is the only way I see to go to System Settings.)
Some things work well in Fedora-22 - I don't mind writing dnf instead of yum (doesn't sound so nice) and it seems to be significantly faster. The display seems to me a little better on my ThinkPad T510. I was surprised that my Firefox, KNode and KMail settings were automatically updated - I assume that the data is saved somewhere in my home folder. The loss of the old panel is slightly annoying, but that is all.
The you don't have F22 Plasma, you have F22 Workstation. The desktop you describe is the GNOME shell, not Plasma. When you log in, there should be a selection of which desktop to launch - see if Plasma Workspaces is listed there, if not, we can help you get it loaded.
On 07/14/15 21:16, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/14/15 20:19, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Also I miss the multiple desktops I had in Fedora-21 KDE. Have these been abolished in Plasma-5?
In addition to what poc said, there are still multiple virtual desktops. I'm running 6. The one thing that is currently missing, and which may be being worked, is the inability to have different wallpaper on each virtual desktop.
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
But is this bar at the top of my display a panel? It has 3 segments - Activities (on the left), which takes me to Favourites, Data/Time (in the center) which also tells me about e-mail arrivals, and a tray (on the right) which opens a small window with 3 icons which I take to be System Settings, Screen Lock, and Shutdown/Restart. (That is the only way I see to go to System Settings.)
Some things work well in Fedora-22 - I don't mind writing dnf instead of yum (doesn't sound so nice) and it seems to be significantly faster. The display seems to me a little better on my ThinkPad T510. I was surprised that my Firefox, KNode and KMail settings were automatically updated - I assume that the data is saved somewhere in my home folder. The loss of the old panel is slightly annoying, but that is all.
You setup is nothing like mine.... Sounds like you've actually installed GNOME.
Ed Greshko wrote:
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
You setup is nothing like mine.... Sounds like you've actually installed GNOME.
Yes, it seems like a hybrid of KDE and Gnome. What I did was to install Fedora KDE Live on a USB stick, and then click on Install on Hard Disk.
I was asked later to choose between Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, and chose the first.
I did think after I might have been better to start with Network Install, which is my usual route.
On 07/15/15 01:26, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
You setup is nothing like mine.... Sounds like you've actually installed GNOME.
Yes, it seems like a hybrid of KDE and Gnome. What I did was to install Fedora KDE Live on a USB stick, and then click on Install on Hard Disk.
I was asked later to choose between Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, and chose the first.
I did think after I might have been better to start with Network Install, which is my usual route.
You don't have a KDE Live USB stick.
Fedora Workstation is, by definition GNOME.
Hi,
I suggest to do this simple check: First, run: $: dnf install switchdesk
Then run: $: switchdesk
You will see a window titled: "Desktop Switches"
With a list of three radio buttons for "Available Desktops", which will probably have these items:
Gnome KDE System Defaults
Which is selected ? According to the responses, it seems that there are high chances that this is Gnome. You can then choose KDE if it suits you better.
Regards, Rami Rosen http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen
On 15 July 2015 at 00:06, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 07/15/15 01:26, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
You setup is nothing like mine.... Sounds like you've actually installed GNOME.
Yes, it seems like a hybrid of KDE and Gnome. What I did was to install Fedora KDE Live on a USB stick, and then click on Install on Hard Disk.
I was asked later to choose between Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, and chose the first.
I did think after I might have been better to start with Network Install, which is my usual route.
You don't have a KDE Live USB stick.
Fedora Workstation is, by definition GNOME.
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On 15/07/15 03:26, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
Go to System-Settings--->Workspace--->Desktop Behavior--->Virtual Desktops to define your desired settings.
I don't have Workspace in my System-Settings - I only have Personal, Hardware and System. I seem to be missing something ...
You setup is nothing like mine.... Sounds like you've actually installed GNOME.
Yes, it seems like a hybrid of KDE and Gnome. What I did was to install Fedora KDE Live on a USB stick, and then click on Install on Hard Disk.
I was asked later to choose between Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, and chose the first.
I did think after I might have been better to start with Network Install, which is my usual route.
I started off going down the netinst path when I installed F22, but had to go down the live dvd path because the netinst process did not enable my wireless network so I couldn't do the install at all.
regards, Steve
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