I've been using a Framework 16 laptop that was originally installed with F40 and updated to F41 (XFCE Spin), without any issues. I just ran into a hillarious installation issue, posting it here in order to feed the search engines.
I just received a second Framework 16, so I fed the F41 XFCE spin image to it. After booting it the keyboard responsiveness was horrible. Typed text took 5-10 seconds to be echoed back in the terminal, or in Anaconda.
I thought I had a hardware issue, I even took it apart again, and reseated the keyboard connector, no dice. Still lagging. But when I booted to a grub prompt, the keyboard was perfectly normal.
I booted back into the live image. Eventually I had a Eureka moment: I have to keep the mouse moving, constantly, in order for I/O processing to occur. I can type ahead, then touch the touchpad, and all the buffered input got echoed back immediately. Some further experimentation I determined that not only keyboard input, but also some display refreshing gets stuck until I manually move the mouse.
The kernel that's shipping with the F41 live images is a dud. I ran the Anaconda installer (constantly twiddling the touchpad to keep everything moving), then rebooted (the problem remained), then dnf-update-d. After rebooting into the latest kernel, 6.11.10, everything was working fine.
On 11/30/24 8:31 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I've been using a Framework 16 laptop that was originally installed with F40 and updated to F41 (XFCE Spin), without any issues. I just ran into a hillarious installation issue, posting it here in order to feed the search engines.
I just received a second Framework 16, so I fed the F41 XFCE spin image to it. After booting it the keyboard responsiveness was horrible. Typed text took 5-10 seconds to be echoed back in the terminal, or in Anaconda.
I thought I had a hardware issue, I even took it apart again, and reseated the keyboard connector, no dice. Still lagging. But when I booted to a grub prompt, the keyboard was perfectly normal.
I booted back into the live image. Eventually I had a Eureka moment: I have to keep the mouse moving, constantly, in order for I/O processing to occur. I can type ahead, then touch the touchpad, and all the buffered input got echoed back immediately. Some further experimentation I determined that not only keyboard input, but also some display refreshing gets stuck until I manually move the mouse.
The kernel that's shipping with the F41 live images is a dud. I ran the Anaconda installer (constantly twiddling the touchpad to keep everything moving), then rebooted (the problem remained), then dnf-update-d. After rebooting into the latest kernel, 6.11.10, everything was working fine.
The XFCE image shouldn't have a different kernel than the workstation image, but can you try the workstation image to see if it has the same problem for you?
I've used the workstation live image on multiple systems with no problems and obviously there have been many people using it to install. The Framework website even has specific instructions for installing Fedora 41, so clearly it's been tested.
I would suspect it's something specific to your system. I'm sure that there have been many people using the XFCE live image as well, but I've never seen any mention of an issue like this.
Samuel Sieb writes:
The XFCE image shouldn't have a different kernel than the workstation image, but can you try the workstation image to see if it has the same problem for you?
Before doing that I booted the XFCE spin on the first laptop and it had the same problem. This ruled out a firnware difference as the issue.
Then I burned the workstation image and booted it. No issues.
I checked, and both the workstation image and the XFCE spin have the same kernel, 6.11.4.
I've used the workstation live image on multiple systems with no problems and obviously there have been many people using it to install. The Framework website even has specific instructions for installing Fedora 41, so clearly it's been tested.
I saw that.
I would suspect it's something specific to your system. I'm sure that there have been many people using the XFCE live image as well, but I've never seen any mention of an issue like this.
Both laptops, albeit from two different batches, are hitting the issue.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 17:12:16 -0500 Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
Samuel Sieb writes:
The XFCE image shouldn't have a different kernel than the workstation image, but can you try the workstation image to see if it has the same problem for you?
Before doing that I booted the XFCE spin on the first laptop and it had the same problem. This ruled out a firnware difference as the issue.
Then I burned the workstation image and booted it. No issues.
I checked, and both the workstation image and the XFCE spin have the same kernel, 6.11.4.
I've used the workstation live image on multiple systems with no problems and obviously there have been many people using it to install. The Framework website even has specific instructions for installing Fedora 41, so clearly it's been tested.
I saw that.
I would suspect it's something specific to your system. I'm sure that there have been many people using the XFCE live image as well, but I've never seen any mention of an issue like this.
Both laptops, albeit from two different batches, are hitting the issue.
Have you tried the "standard" image?
Geoffrey Leach writes:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 17:12:16 -0500 Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
Samuel Sieb writes:
The XFCE image shouldn't have a different kernel than the workstation image, but can you try the workstation image to see if it has the same problem for you?
Before doing that I booted the XFCE spin on the first laptop and it had the same problem. This ruled out a firnware difference as the issue.
Then I burned the workstation image and booted it. No issues.
I checked, and both the workstation image and the XFCE spin have the same kernel, 6.11.4.
I've used the workstation live image on multiple systems with no problems and obviously there have been many people using it to install. The Framework website even has specific instructions for installing Fedora 41, so clearly it's been tested.
I saw that.
I would suspect it's something specific to your system. I'm sure that there have been many people using the XFCE live image as well, but I've never seen any mention of an issue like this.
Both laptops, albeit from two different batches, are hitting the issue.
Have you tried the "standard" image?
I believe that you're referring to the workstation image, that I tried.
On 11/30/24 2:12 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Samuel Sieb writes:
The XFCE image shouldn't have a different kernel than the workstation image, but can you try the workstation image to see if it has the same problem for you?
Before doing that I booted the XFCE spin on the first laptop and it had the same problem. This ruled out a firnware difference as the issue.
Then I burned the workstation image and booted it. No issues.
I checked, and both the workstation image and the XFCE spin have the same kernel, 6.11.4.
So, it's something specific to the XFCE spin and that laptop. I would suggest mentioning it to the Framework people.
Samuel Sieb writes:
On 11/30/24 2:12 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Before doing that I booted the XFCE spin on the first laptop and it had the same problem. This ruled out a firnware difference as the issue.
Then I burned the workstation image and booted it. No issues.
I checked, and both the workstation image and the XFCE spin have the same kernel, 6.11.4.
So, it's something specific to the XFCE spin and that laptop. I would suggest mentioning it to the Framework people.
I left a message there, but it does look XFCE-related. The new laptop still had the original kernel installed, the one that came off the live image, in addition to the current kernel. I booted the laptop with the original kernel – no issue.
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