I have an app that is available in three formats: Mac, Windows and .DEB. I would like to install it on my Fedora box, but, obviously, Fedora doesn't support .DEB files. So, I thought, why not use Alien to install it? Except, there doesn't seem to be an Alien RPM for Fedora 18. The most recent I could find was Fedora 16. Has Alien been abandoned? If not, where can I find it?
Thanks!
On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:31 -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
I have an app that is available in three formats: Mac, Windows and .DEB. I would like to install it on my Fedora box, but, obviously, Fedora doesn't support .DEB files. So, I thought, why not use Alien to install it? Except, there doesn't seem to be an Alien RPM for Fedora 18. The most recent I could find was Fedora 16. Has Alien been abandoned? If not, where can I find it?
First place to look at is Fedora package git. http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/alien.git/
It's a rather new addition to the package collection. The package review has been completed just recently: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695233
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:31 -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
I have an app that is available in three formats: Mac, Windows and .DEB. I would like to install it on my Fedora box, but, obviously, Fedora doesn't support .DEB files. So, I thought, why not use Alien to install it? Except, there doesn't seem to be an Alien RPM for Fedora 18. The most recent I could find was Fedora 16. Has Alien been abandoned? If not, where can I find it?
First place to look at is Fedora package git. http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/alien.git/
It's a rather new addition to the package collection. The package review has been completed just recently: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695233
I don't know how useful alien would really be. Because package naming is not consistent between debian and Fedora, I'm guessing that it's unlikely to be able to satisfy requirements most of the time.
On Fri, 24 May 2013, Neal Becker wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
I don't know how useful alien would really be. Because package naming is not consistent between debian and Fedora, I'm guessing that it's unlikely to be able to satisfy requirements most of the time.
That's what I keep running into. There are a couple of apps I use a lot (Makehuman,for example) that are not packaged for fedora. I've tried to get them going, including compiling from scratch, but keep running into dependency problems. They are solvable but simply not worth the effort of tracking down. I ended up installing Mint in virtualbox and run it from there on my fedora box.
billo
On 05/24/2013 06:34 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013, Neal Becker wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
I don't know how useful alien would really be. Because package naming is not consistent between debian and Fedora, I'm guessing that it's unlikely to be able to satisfy requirements most of the time.
That's what I keep running into. There are a couple of apps I use a lot (Makehuman,for example) that are not packaged for fedora.
Makehuman is packaged for Fedora.
# repoquery makehuman makehuman-0:0.9.1-0.9.rc1a.fc18.x86_64
Ralf
On 05/24/2013 03:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/24/2013 03:45 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
Thanks, but it turns out that the current version is 1.0 alpha 7, and the differences between 0.9 and 1.0 are pretty big.
So, request an update
I have filed one now at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967124
Next time, consider doing so before you attempt workarounds like building it yourself or using alien or whatever else
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/24/2013 03:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/24/2013 03:45 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
Thanks, but it turns out that the current version is 1.0 alpha 7, and the differences between 0.9 and 1.0 are pretty big.
So, request an update
I have filed one now at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=967124
Next time, consider doing so before you attempt workarounds like building it yourself or using alien or whatever else
Please don't take this as a criticism, because it's not. One reason that people don't like to ask the maintainers for ANYTHING is the frequency with which requests are met with comments on how busy everyone is, and the occasional reply from someone suggesting that "you have source, why don't you fix that yourself." I also get notices that bugs of long standing have become WONTFIX because no one got around to them in a year.
On 05/28/2013 01:48 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Please don't take this as a criticism, because it's not. One reason that people don't like to ask the maintainers for ANYTHING is the frequency with which requests are met with comments on how busy everyone is, and the occasional reply from someone suggesting that "you have source, why don't you fix that yourself." I also get notices that bugs of long standing have become WONTFIX because no one got around to them in a year.
It isn't a perfect system. In all my time as a Fedora contributor, I have never seen any package maintainer suggest that because you have the source you can fix it yourself but I guess that can happen rarely but it is more common that some of the bug reports don't get resolved in time. Reporting bugs should really be seen as a way to contribute rather than just a way to get the fix you want. Most of the package maintainers are volunteers and they get asked to do things all the time and often more than they can really handle. There are literally hundreds of bug reports filed and fixed on a regular basis. You don't have to take my word for it. Just login #fedorabot in freenode IRC and look at the number of updates being pushed out daily. Majority of them are bug fix updates.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/metrics/?release=F18&_csrf_token...
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/metrics/?release=F17&_csrf_token...
We do have new contributors signing up on a regular basis but we are dealing with a ever growing repository of packages and the demand always exceeds supply
Rahul
Bill Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013, Neal Becker wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
I don't know how useful alien would really be. Because package naming is not consistent between debian and Fedora, I'm guessing that it's unlikely to be able to satisfy requirements most of the time.
That's what I keep running into. There are a couple of apps I use a lot (Makehuman,for example) that are not packaged for fedora. I've tried to get them going, including compiling from scratch, but keep running into dependency problems. They are solvable but simply not worth the effort of tracking down. I ended up installing Mint in virtualbox and run it from there on my fedora box.
I have rather a lot of those, sometimes the least elegant solution is the easiest to maintain. The nice thing is that since they are frozen you don't have to worry about updates. The ultimate LTS version ;-)
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