OSM??

[Beartooth]

Can dnf get me OSM? I tried osm, OSM, and openstreetmap. I don't 
doubt there's some sort of .iso on their own site, but with a program so 
vast ...

[Ted Roche]

Would any of these work for you?

sudo dnf search OpenStreetMap

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 1:26 PM Beartooth  wrote:
>     Can dnf get me OSM? I tried osm, OSM, and openstreetmap. I don't
>
> doubt there's some sort of .iso on their own site, but with a program so
> vast ...
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
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[Beartooth]

On Tue, 21 May 2019 13:47:27 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
> Would any of these work for you?
>
> sudo dnf search OpenStreetMap

Aha. I got this:

# dnf search OpenStreetMap
Last metadata expiration check: 0:46:33 ago on Wed 22 May 2019 01:50:49 
PM EDT.
=============== Summary Matched: OpenStreetMap============
merkaartor.x86_64 : Qt-Based OpenStreetMap editor
routino.x86_64 : Router for OpenStreetMap Data
josm.noarch : An editor for OpenStreetMap (OSM)
routino-libs.i686 : Routing library for OpenStreetMap Data
routino-libs.x86_64 : Routing library for OpenStreetMap Data
kosmtik.noarch : Make maps with OpenStreetMap and Mapnik
osmctools.x86_64 : Tools to manipulate OpenStreetMap files
osmpbf-java.noarch : Java OpenStreetMap PBF file format library
osm-gps-map.i686 : Gtk+ widget for displaying OpenStreetMap tiles
osm-gps-map.x86_64 : Gtk+ widget for displaying OpenStreetMap tiles
texlive-getmap.noarch : Download OpenStreetMap maps for use in documents
osmpbf.i686 : C library to read and write OpenStreetMap PBF files
osmpbf.x86_64 : C library to read and write OpenStreetMap PBF files
osmium-tool.x86_64 : Command line tool for working with OpenStreetMap data
osm2pgsql.x86_64 : Imports map data from OpenStreetMap to a PostgreSQL 
database
================================================================

I apologize for the formatting.

Another poster suggested :

Josm is packaged in Fedora so dnf install josm is enough.

So I also did that, getting 
=================================================

Installed:

josm-0-0.93.15031svn.fc30.noarch                                                                          
  java-1.8.0-openjdk-
devel-1:1.8.0.212.b04-0.fc30.x86_64                                                    
  apache-commons-
codec-1.11-3.module_f28+3939+dc18cd75.noarch                                               
  apache-commons-
logging-1.2-13.module_f28+3939+dc18cd75.noarch

ant-1.10.5-3.module_f28+4207+d722d224.noarch                                                              
  ant-
lib-1.10.5-3.module_f28+4207+d722d224.noarch                                                          
  java-1.8.0-openjdk-
openjfx-1:1.8.0.212.b04-0.fc30.x86_64                                                  
  apache-commons-
compress-1.18-4.fc30.noarch                                                                
  apache-commons-jcs-
core-2.2-3.fc30.noarch

jsonp-1.0.4-9.fc30.noarch                                                                                 
  metadata-
extractor2-2.10.1-5.fc30.noarch

openjfx-8.0.202-5.b07.fc30.x86_64                                                                         
  signpost-
core-1.2.1.2-16.fc29.noarch

svgsalamander-1.1.2-1.fc30.noarch

xmpcore-5.1.2-11.fc30.noarch

Complete!
===========================================

Again, I apologize for the formatting.

A thousand thanks to all who replied!

Confession time: I mean my .sig in all earnestness. I've been 
trying to follow a couple of OSM lists on Gmane for at least two or three 
years. I hardly ever find anything not over my head. There WAS a users' 
list for a while, but it's long dead.

Twenty-odd years ago, I had both hard- and software (especially 
from Garmin, DeLorme, and Maptech) with which I was able to study the 
terrain here in town and out in the woods around, and routes from one  
point to another, to scale -- without having to first learn cartography, 
CS, nor EE. I learned to use those tools BY using them, and discovered 
relationships among places I thought I knew. The game trails in the 
woods, for instance, showed an awareness of the people trails a lot 
sharper than I had realized. (That makes a lot of sense AFTER you know 
it!)

The fly in the ointment, of course, was having to tolerate an OS 
I detested.

I've been trying to do the like on Linux ever since. I can run 
the software under Wine, but I've never yet managed to get it and my GPSs 
to talk to one another.

What are the chances now? Are these tools going to be self-
explanatory enough? Has that time come?

[Clifford Snow]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? I've never heard of an .iso.
There is a java based editor, JOSM. I believe their might be a repo for it,
but I find just downloading the new JAR file every once in a while works
satisfactorily.

The OSM database, we call the plant, is quite large. It needs to be
downloaded from planet.openstreetmap.org. GeoFribrik at
download.geofabrik.de has extracts for parts of the world. And HOTOSM has
an export tool, https://export.hotosm.org/en/v3/, to grab areas for
download.

If you want to duplicate the website, look on github.

Gnome does have a extension with an OSM map which I find out of date so I
don't use it.

Best,
Clifford AKA Glassman on OSM

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:26 AM Beartooth  wrote:
>     Can dnf get me OSM? I tried osm, OSM, and openstreetmap. I don't
>
> doubt there's some sort of .iso on their own site, but with a program so
> vast ...
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
> Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
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[Jakub Jelen]

On Tue, 2019-05-21 at 14:52 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote:
> What exactly are you trying to accomplish? I've never heard of an
> .iso.
> There is a java based editor, JOSM. I believe their might be a repo
> for it,
> but I find just downloading the new JAR file every once in a while
> works
> satisfactorily.

Josm is packaged in Fedora so dnf install josm is enough.
> The OSM database, we call the plant, is quite large. It needs to be
> downloaded from planet.openstreetmap.org. GeoFribrik at
> download.geofabrik.de has extracts for parts of the world. And HOTOSM
> has
> an export tool, https://export.hotosm.org/en/v3/, to grab areas for
> download.
>
> If you want to duplicate the website, look on github.
>
> Gnome does have a extension with an OSM map which I find out of date
> so I
> don't use it.
>
> Best,
> Clifford AKA Glassman on OSM
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:26 AM Beartooth 
> wrote:
> >     Can dnf get me OSM? I tried osm, OSM, and openstreetmap. I
> >
> > don't
> > doubt there's some sort of .iso on their own site, but with a
> > program so
> > vast ...
> >
> > --
> > Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
> > Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
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[Dave Stevens]

On Tue, 21 May 2019 17:26:03 -0000 (UTC)
Beartooth  wrote:
> but with a program so 
> vast ...

don't think so. Vast data but only a browser is needed unless you want
some special functions. I'm currently on a ubuntu system and here
apt-cache search openstreetmap gives 70 hits. No doubt dnf will do
something similar.

Dave

[Beartooth]

On Tue, 21 May 2019 16:16:23 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2019 17:26:03 -0000 (UTC)
> Beartooth  wrote:
> > but with a program so vast ...
>
> don't think so. Vast data but only a browser is needed unless you want
> some special functions. I'm currently on a ubuntu system and here
> apt-cache search openstreetmap gives 70 hits. No doubt dnf will do
> something similar.

Hmmm.... I don't know if dnf has anything like apt-cache, but I 
tried plain "dnf search openstreetmap" and got only 17 hits. This is 
encouraging. Many thanks!

I've been mousing around like mad, and I still find an odd thing 
that I've always found before. OSM seems to be all about compiling data, 
rather than making actual maps, let alone using them. Also, btw,  I still 
see no trace of anything like topographic data.

That's a fine thing to do, and those who do it have a right to 
enthuse intensely; they're making discoveries and solving problems.

However, what I'm really trying to do is make certain personal 
maps, to scale, marked with things I choose, whose spatial interrelations 
I want to study. For me, that study and what I can learn from it are the 
whole point.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree? Ought I rather to have yet 
another go at getting Wine a/o Crossover Office somehow to enable my GPSs 
and some commercial or USGS software to talk to each other? I'm beginning 
to doubt I'll live long enough ....

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM Beartooth  wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2019 16:16:23 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2019 17:26:03 -0000 (UTC)
> > Beartooth  wrote:
>     I've been mousing around like mad, and I still find an odd thing
>
> that I've always found before. OSM seems to be all about compiling data,
> rather than making actual maps, let alone using them. Also, btw,  I still
> see no trace of anything like topographic data.

OSM doesn't do topographic data
>     That's a fine thing to do, and those who do it have a right to
>
> enthuse intensely; they're making discoveries and solving problems.
>     However, what I'm really trying to do is make certain personal
>
> maps, to scale, marked with things I choose, whose spatial interrelations
> I want to study. For me, that study and what I can learn from it are the
> whole point.

Maybe you would be interested in QGIS. Open Source and cross platform.  You
can bring in data for OSM and other sources, create maps, and analyze data
all with QGIS. I use
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/dani/qgis/ repository
which has the latest version. you will need python3 and GDAL. There is a
bit of a learning curve with any geospatial system, but QGIS has responsive
mailing list and there are user groups around the world.

Best,
Clifford
@osm_washington
www.snowandsnow.us
OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

[Beartooth]

On Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:57 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM Beartooth  wrote:

[snipperoo]
> Maybe you would be
> interested in QGIS. Open Source and cross platform.  You can bring in
> data for OSM and other sources, create maps, and analyze data all with
> QGIS. I use <a
> href="https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/dani/qgis/">https://

copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/dani/qgis/</a> repository
> which has the latest version. you will need python3 and GDAL. There is a
> bit of a learning curve with any geospatial system, but QGIS has
> responsive mailing list and there are user groups around the
> world.

I tried "dnf install qgis". Lo! and behold!

Package qgis-3.4.6-1.fc30.x86_64 is already installed.

Meseems I have a new toy. <grin> Many, many thanks!