Packages remaining after upgrade

[Alex]

Hi,

I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are
multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from
fc12.

I'm sure some of them just haven't been updated, but I had a problem
with the recent upgrade, and I'm concerned there may be some lingering
problems.

For example, has expat really not been upgraded since fc13? I have a
100 packages from fc12 still installed. Is that normal? This includes
libXaw, lzo, smp_utils, which, xorg-x11-xauth, mozilla-filesystem,
among others.

Is fc12 even still supported?

Thanks for any ideas.
Best,
Alex

[Jamie Wellnitz]

Yup, that's normal.

These packages have indeed not been rebuilt since f13, or even f12.

My system shows much the same stuff:

% rpm -qf /etc/fedora-release
fedora-release-14-1.noarch

% rpm -q expat
expat-2.0.1-10.fc13.x86_64
expat-2.0.1-10.fc13.i686

% rpm -q lzo
lzo-2.03-3.fc12.x86_64

% rpm -q mozilla-filesystem
mozilla-filesystem-1.9-5.fc12.x86_64

-- Jamie

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Alex  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are
> multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from
> fc12.
>
> I'm sure some of them just haven't been updated, but I had a problem
> with the recent upgrade, and I'm concerned there may be some lingering
> problems.
>
> For example, has expat really not been upgraded since fc13? I have a
> 100 packages from fc12 still installed. Is that normal? This includes
> libXaw, lzo, smp_utils, which, xorg-x11-xauth, mozilla-filesystem,
> among others.
>
> Is fc12 even still supported?
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
> Best,
> Alex
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[SternData]

On 03/09/2011 05:26 PM, James Wellnitz wrote:
> Yup, that's normal.
>
> These packages have indeed not been rebuilt since f13, or even f12.
>
> My system shows much the same stuff:
>
> % rpm -qf /etc/fedora-release
> fedora-release-14-1.noarch
>
> % rpm -q expat
> expat-2.0.1-10.fc13.x86_64
> expat-2.0.1-10.fc13.i686
>
> % rpm -q lzo
> lzo-2.03-3.fc12.x86_64
>
> % rpm -q mozilla-filesystem
> mozilla-filesystem-1.9-5.fc12.x86_64
>
> -- Jamie
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Alex  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are
> > multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from
> > fc12.
> >
> > I'm sure some of them just haven't been updated, but I had a problem
> > with the recent upgrade, and I'm concerned there may be some lingering
> > problems.
> >
> > For example, has expat really not been upgraded since fc13? I have a
> > 100 packages from fc12 still installed. Is that normal? This includes
> > libXaw, lzo, smp_utils, which, xorg-x11-xauth, mozilla-filesystem,
> > among others.
> >
> > Is fc12 even still supported?
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas.
> > Best,
> > Alex

Just to jump in with a "me-too",

[sdstern@sds-desk ~]$ rpm -qa > packages.txt
[sdstern@sds-desk ~]grep fc11 packages.txt | wc -l
5
[sdstern@sds-desk ~]$ grep fc12 packages.txt | wc -l
115
[sdstern@sds-desk ~]$ grep fc13 packages.txt | wc -l
134
[sdstern@sds-desk ~]$ grep fc14 packages.txt | wc -l
1458

[Tim]

On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:17 -0500, Alex wrote:
> For example, has expat really not been upgraded since fc13? I have a
> 100 packages from fc12 still installed. Is that normal? This includes
> libXaw, lzo, smp_utils, which, xorg-x11-xauth, mozilla-filesystem,
> among others.
>
> Is fc12 even still supported?

It doesn't matter if a package hasn't been recompiled from previous
releases, even if that release is out-of-date.  If there's been no
actual updates to the program, because there hasn't needed to be, then
the last compiled version is used.

If an update does get released, then you can expect that package to
change from being some fc12 package to having the current Fedora release
number in the package name.

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 03/10/2011 04:47 AM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are
> multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from
> fc12.

That's quite normal for reasons others have stated but do run yum
distro-sync.  That should fix any package versioning issues

Rahul

[Alex]

Hi,
> > I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are
> > multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from
> > fc12.
>
> That's quite normal for reasons others have stated but do run yum
> distro-sync.  That should fix any package versioning issues

Thanks everyone for your comments, including about the packages not
having actually been updated and therefore no later version exists.

That was my exact concern. I realize if there are no package changes
it doesn't need to be updated; I was just concerned that after the
upgrade (including distro-sync), there were still such old packages. I
would have expected at least a "build world" kind of thing when
releasing the new version, just so all the versions are in sync.

Thanks,
Alex

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 03/10/2011 09:08 PM, Alex wrote:
> That was my exact concern. I realize if there are no package changes
> it doesn't need to be updated; I was just concerned that after the
> upgrade (including distro-sync), there were still such old packages. I
> would have expected at least a "build world" kind of thing when
> releasing the new version, just so all the versions are in sync.

That was what I proposed earlier but it seems that it is just needless
waste of resources for both developers and users.  Developers time spend
on building and fixing failed builds when there is no change and
unnecessary redownloads for live upgrades for users.

Rahul