I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
Quoting Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
something like this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Type-C-3-1-Male-to-USB2-0-A-Female-Adapter-OTG-Data-S...
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I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
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On 11/16/2016 09:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
You will have to get adapters. The type C connector can supply higher power (100W) than the type A connectors you're used to, and you can insert it either-way up (it's symmetrical).
Note that the presence of a type C connector does not necessarily mean you have USB 3 or USB 3.1--it can be used on USB 2.x as well. It's just a connector and the idea is to get rid of the type A, type B, mini A, mini B, micro A and micro B connectors and use a single one. USB 3 is still indicated by a blue connector. USB 3.1 is turquoise (which sucks as I'm mildly red/green color blind). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Political Correctness: The insane doctrine that postulates that it - - is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/16/16 13:20, Rick Stevens wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
You will have to get adapters. The type C connector can supply higher power (100W) than the type A connectors you're used to, and you can insert it either-way up (it's symmetrical).
Note that the presence of a type C connector does not necessarily mean you have USB 3 or USB 3.1--it can be used on USB 2.x as well. It's just a connector and the idea is to get rid of the type A, type B, mini A, mini B, micro A and micro B connectors and use a single one. USB 3 is still indicated by a blue connector. USB 3.1 is turquoise (which sucks as I'm mildly red/green color blind).
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Ok, I was a bit overwhelmed by all the responses. I see there are adapters available although they may not be convenient to use. One of my concerns was whether the USB3/Type-C ports would be compatible with the earlier USB2 stuff,it appears there is no problem there. The motherboard I replaced had USB3 with the old Type-A connectors and I know it worked as expected with USB2 devices, but I saw the USB3.1 designation when I googled it and that introduced and unknown. I guess that will work as well?
However, This MSI board claims to provide USB3.0 at the four Type-C connectors, dunno why they chose to do that with this board but they did and I have to deal with it. Adapters are probably the simplest solution but I will consider moving the two front panel TYPE-A connectors to an expansion port provided on the mainboard:
"JUSB3: USB 3.0 Expansion Connector The USB 3.0 port is backwards compatible with USB 2.0 devices. It supports data transfer rates up to 5Gbits/s (SuperSpeed)."
But you mention color perception, I have only recently come to realize that mine has deteriorated to the point where Iread only one panel right when my VA eye doctor tested me! That explains the agony I go through with the Fedora installation screens and their choice of text and background colors, some of which are essentially invisible to me! There was a time when I was able to pass the FAA medical exam ... Now I need white on black text.
Thanks to all for the responses,
Bob
Quoting Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us:
On 11/16/16 13:20, Rick Stevens wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
You will have to get adapters. The type C connector can supply higher
you know Bob, it would be useful perhaps to say which motherboard model.
D
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On 11/17/16 12:29, Dave Stevens wrote:
you know Bob, it would be useful perhaps to say which motherboard model.
D
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Sorry Dave, I was too lazy, finally dug out the box, it is an MSI H81M-E34 if that means anything to you and I bought a low end Intel Celeron processor that fit the socket. I don't need a super computer, prefer low power consumption, less heat and fan noise ...
I built them all up with rack and panel cases, 2 servers and this one that presently has F22, 24, and 25b on separate drives, selected at boot, set up on the desk next to me, very convenient and no crawling under the deskto get at connections as with a Dell I also use as a second computer.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
[snip]
" USB Type-C isn’t the same thing as USB 3.1. USB Type-C is just a connector shape, and the underlying technology could just be USB 2 or USB 3.0."
from: http://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained-what-it-is-and-why-youl...
Just a new standard to replace a multitude of cables including, in time, your audio/video cables, printer, data, et al. This was touched on about 10 years ago when developers were talking about the use of photonics as a data stream which would push data in the Tb ranges and reducing the need of multiple cables to just one for everything. While not directly related it is a step in that direction. USB 3.1 (not the type C) reportedly will push about 10 Gb/s. As Dave pointed out, adapters will be needed for a spell.
-- Fred
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, fred roller fredroller66@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
[snip]
" USB Type-C isn’t the same thing as USB 3.1. USB Type-C is just a connector shape, and the underlying technology could just be USB 2 or USB 3.0."
from: http://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained- what-it-is-and-why-youll-want-it/
Just a new standard to replace a multitude of cables including, in time, your audio/video cables, printer, data, et al. This was touched on about 10 years ago when developers were talking about the use of photonics as a data stream which would push data in the Tb ranges and reducing the need of multiple cables to just one for everything. While not directly related it is a step in that direction. USB 3.1 (not the type C) reportedly will push about 10 Gb/s. As Dave pointed out, adapters will be needed for a spell.
-- Fred
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On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM, fred roller <fredroller66@gmail.com mailto:fredroller66@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, George N. White III <gnwiii@gmail.com <mailto:gnwiii@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin@fastmail.us <mailto:bobgoodwin@fastmail.us>> wrote: I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc. I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this.. Bob// You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify, [snip] " USB Type-C isn’t the same thing as USB 3.1. USB Type-C is just a connector shape, and the underlying technology could just be USB 2 or USB 3.0." from: http://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained-what-it-is-and-why-youll-want-it/ <http://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained-what-it-is-and-why-youll-want-it/> Just a new standard to replace a multitude of cables including, in time, your audio/video cables, printer, data, et al. This was touched on about 10 years ago when developers were talking about the use of photonics as a data stream which would push data in the Tb ranges and reducing the need of multiple cables to just one for everything. While not directly related it is a step in that direction. USB 3.1 (not the type C) reportedly will push about 10 Gb/s. As Dave pointed out, adapters will be needed for a spell. -- Fred _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org>--
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On 11/16/2016 12:47 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
I don't want to nitpick, but when was that mobo designed? The new connectors might be too recent for it.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the
Type-C connectors now.
All USB3.1 the 3.0 will have the type A and that is the confusion it seems... I have a 3.0 USB on the Laptop <6 months old with Type A and my wife's phone, barely a month old, has a Type C connection. This is just a new tech transitional period we are in and we will be purchasing adapters upgrading systems etc. to accommodate over the course of a few months or more. Change - it is the only things that doesn't change.
On 11/16/2016 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/16/2016 12:47 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
I don't want to nitpick, but when was that mobo designed? The new connectors might be too recent for it.
I don't have access to the design plans for it so I have no idea although I bought one three months ago. All I'm saying is USB3 does not mean type C connectors or vice versa. Will all new mobos have type C? I don't know. I sure as hell hope not because I don't want to have to buy a gazillion adapter cables if and when I replace my mobos.
So I'm an old fart and I do not subscribe to the "new is always better" mantra that so many others seem to. I'm glad I still have my old Galaxy phone so the damned battery doesn't explode in my pocket or cause 3rd degree burns on my tush and I can replace it when it goes bad instead of ponying up $300 for a new phone. Bloody ridiculous! Sheesh! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd say... oh, somewhere in there. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 16.11.2016 22:31, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/16/2016 12:47 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
I don't want to nitpick, but when was that mobo designed? The new connectors might be too recent for it.
I don't have access to the design plans for it so I have no idea although I bought one three months ago. All I'm saying is USB3 does not mean type C connectors or vice versa. Will all new mobos have type C? I don't know. I sure as hell hope not because I don't want to have to buy a gazillion adapter cables if and when I replace my mobos.
There are some quite new motherboards with USB2.0 Type A, USB3.0 Type A, USB 3.1 Type A and USB3.1 Type C Connectors on them. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/X99-A-II/specifications/
And I don't think Type A will disappear, this mobo even has a PS/2 Connector. And those are arguably old.
So I'm an old fart and I do not subscribe to the "new is always better" mantra that so many others seem to. I'm glad I still have my old Galaxy phone so the damned battery doesn't explode in my pocket or cause 3rd degree burns on my tush and I can replace it when it goes bad instead of ponying up $300 for a new phone. Bloody ridiculous! Sheesh!
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On Wed, 2016-11-16 at 12:47 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
My brandnew HP Probook 470 G4 laptop has both a type A and a type C port, so I can use either connector.
On 11/16/2016 03:35 PM, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-16 at 12:47 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 11/16/2016 11:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
I think his comment was more related to the fact that all USB3 uses the Type-C connectors now.
Not true. I have USB3 ports on type A connectors on a new mobo.
My brandnew HP Probook 470 G4 laptop has both a type A and a type C port, so I can use either connector.
An earlier post in this thread referred to adapters. The cheapest was almost $5 and was at the end of an 18" cable! What a PITA that would be!
My old computer didn't have USB3, so I put in a card--then I had to remote the connection to the front of the PC, which I did with Velcro. But it's
not as if the connection were built in to the case. And now to get two connections at the front of the computer we'll have to have TWO diddlies
like this! Phooey! And then I suppose that the new flash drives will all have the type C connectors, so they won't even plug into old ports. What a mess!
--doug
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That's bloody brilliant. Well done.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
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I must be an old fart too.... My system has a pretty old ATX LGA 775 MB with intel Q6700 & USB2 in a nice big coolermaster case which is really easy to upgrade. To get USB3 I simply bought a new card which had 2 USB3 A connectors at the back and an internal connector to a card reader + USB3 A connector now on the front of the case. I would never have a laptop as my main computer because of the inability to upgrade & add cards. But isn't there an internal usb3 header to which you could attach a front panel usb3 connector (not very expensive).
Andy
On Wednesday 16 Nov 2016 14:02:50 Mark Haney wrote:
-- You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store.
That's bloody brilliant. Well done.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@fastmail.us
wrote:
I installed a new MSI mainboard about a month ago that has four USB3 connectors on the back panel that accept nothing I have on hand. Apparently it is known as a "type C" connector. How do I deal with this? Googling has not produced much useful information, I may not have used the right keywords, but I would like to adapt them to the old style conventional connectors on my flash drives, cables, etc.
I know this is not strictly a Fedora problem but it is a problem in using my Fedora systems when I can't connect to then. I was not aware of the difference before I bought the board, would appreciate information on how others have dealt with this..
Bob//
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
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On 11/16/2016 10:43 AM, George N. White III wrote:
You could go to the DongleCompany (formerly known as Apple) Store. They recently announced big discounts on the dongles, but not sure if you have to own one of the current Apple products to qualify,
There are less expensive options, even after the discount:
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ1M2AM/A/usb-c-to-usb-adapter?fnode=85