Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than XP.
Rich
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 13:43, rich dinkin wrote:
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than XP.
Rich
I agree with Comcast, no problems outside of expense here. I have also used Earthlink dialup without problems.
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, rich dinkin wrote:
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than XP.
what would make something "compatible with Linux"? for the most part, a cable or DSL modem is just going to hand you an IP address anyway, so why would it matter what OS you're running?
i've never had a problem dropping my linux laptop onto someone else's home network. so what problem are you thinking of where linux would cause a problem and windows wouldn't? just curious.
rday
From: "Robert P. J. Day" rpjday@mindspring.com
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, rich dinkin wrote:
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than
XP.
what would make something "compatible with Linux"? for the most part, a cable or DSL modem is just going to hand you an IP address anyway, so why would it matter what OS you're running?
i've never had a problem dropping my linux laptop onto someone else's home network. so what problem are you thinking of where linux would cause a problem and windows wouldn't? just curious.
rday
The real question comes from a lower level. With DSL, at least, the question the first level staff finds baffling is how the DSL connection is wrapped. Is it straight Ethernet look alike with no encapsulation or is it wrapped PPPoE? But a little experimentation can usually solve that issue. And my suspicion is that PPPoE is used almost exclusively on all new DSL connections.
{^_^}
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, jdow wrote:
The real question comes from a lower level. With DSL, at least, the question the first level staff finds baffling is how the DSL connection is wrapped. Is it straight Ethernet look alike with no encapsulation or is it wrapped PPPoE? But a little experimentation can usually solve that issue. And my suspicion is that PPPoE is used almost exclusively on all new DSL connections.
ah, that's a good point. i never had to worry about that since the first thing i did was drop a linksys WAP router + 4-port switch next to the DSL modem, and the linksys understood PPPoE, so i didn't have to go the roaring penguin route. works great.
rday
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, rich dinkin wrote:
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than XP.
what would make something "compatible with Linux"? for the most part, a cable or DSL modem is just going to hand you an IP address anyway, so why would it matter what OS you're running?
True. Linux will work with vitually any ISP. To me, what makes an ISP Linux-friendly is tech support that doesn't cut you off with "we don't support Linux" and who listen when you describe the diagnostics you've run and who don't automatically tell you to reinstall or update your software and who are willing to admit it when there is a problem on there end ...etc, etc.
On Thursday 26 August 2004 01:43 pm, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
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what would make something "compatible with Linux"? for the most part, a cable or DSL modem is just going to hand you an IP address anyway, so why would it matter what OS you're running?
i've never had a problem dropping my linux laptop onto someone else's home network. so what problem are you thinking of where linux would cause a problem and windows wouldn't? just curious.
rday
One example: I got an offer in the mail a while back from BellSouth that promised me one helluva deal on DSL, telephone, yada yada. Sounded interesting, so I went to their website to learn more. Well it seems that they can only talk to either IE or Netscape; they certainly don't like Konq. (Not an uncommon problem on Fortune 500 websites.) Yeah, I could have tried spoofing or fired up another browser, but why?
Customer: "I'd like to buy a new Ferrari. Red, if you have it." Salesman: "Sorry, sir, but we don't sell to people wearing plaid pants with a striped necktie." Customer: "OK. Is there a Maserati dealer nearby?"
-- cmg
Earthlink is defiantly linux friendly. Before they start outsourcing all of there support they even officially support linux.
Cox doesn't official support linux but they don't try to stop you from using linux and there techs will walk you through as long as you know where to go. IE they will tell you lets change your DNS Servers and you need to be able to do that without step by step instructions.
SpeakEasy and Covad are also linux friendly just never tell them your running linux. As well it must be a config issue. Try to fix it or we can send a truck out but it might cost you.
Thornton Cierra Group www.cierragroup.com Efficient Licensing and Consulting
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Thornton wrote:
Earthlink is defiantly linux friendly. Before they start outsourcing all of there support they even officially support linux.
Cox doesn't official support linux but they don't try to stop you from using linux and there techs will walk you through as long as you know where to go. IE they will tell you lets change your DNS Servers and you need to be able to do that without step by step instructions.
SpeakEasy and Covad are also linux friendly just never tell them your
I tell speakeasy I am running linux all of the time. They do not care. They even have support pages on their web site for setting up linux. Do not know about Covad but my Speakeasy circuit is provided by Covad anyway.
running linux. As well it must be a config issue. Try to fix it or we can send a truck out but it might cost you.
All sending a truck out will get you is verification that everything from the modem out to the CO is good And if they find a problem with your house wiring it will cost you big bucks to have them fix it. :-( This is pretty much SOP now days, at least in the USA.
HTH,
Tom
Depends on the company. Covad and Cox if they come out and the problem is on your end not theres they will charge you for it even if they dont fix it.
All sending a truck out will get you is verification that everything from the modem out to the CO is good And if they find a problem with your house wiring it will cost you big bucks to have them fix it. :-( This is pretty much SOP now days, at least in the USA.
HTH,
Tom
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Thornton wrote:
Depends on the company. Covad and Cox if they come out and the problem is on your end not theres they will charge you for it even if they dont fix it.
True. In rereading what I wrote I was not clear about that. I think most providers are that way.
All sending a truck out will get you is verification that everything from the modem out to the CO is good And if they find a problem with your house wiring it will cost you big bucks to have them fix it. :-( This is pretty much SOP now days, at least in the USA.
Tom
Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, rich dinkin wrote:
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in Comcast than XP.
what would make something "compatible with Linux"? for the most part, a cable or DSL modem is just going to hand you an IP address anyway, so why would it matter what OS you're running?
About the only thing I can think of is tech support from the ISP. But even if you use Windows, the advice is usually "reboot Windows" and failing that, "reinstall."
When we got Road Runner here, the installer was all ready to do all the configuration for us, but changed his mind when he saw our network was all linux and *BSD. :-)
Is there clear documentation on how to set it up? I couldn't find it on their site.
Also, in the event that I am not near a cable connection, do you know if Comcast offers dialup option into their accounts from a modem? I couldn't find this from their site either.
Finally, do any of the major ISPs support linux for dialup access?
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty
effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in > Comcast than XP.
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 12:51, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Is there clear documentation on how to set it up? I couldn't find it on their site.
Also, in the event that I am not near a cable connection, do you know if Comcast offers dialup option into their accounts from a modem? I couldn't find this from their site either.
Finally, do any of the major ISPs support linux for dialup access?
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty
effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in > Comcast than XP.
In my experience, most ISP services function flawlessly with Linux. Also, most do not "support" linux.
What this means, is if you are enterprising enough to determine the correct settings to use for connection you have no problems, but if you have to call in for assistance they are clueless.
The help(less) desks are only able to follow the scripts they have for assisting you to connect and since the world is (still) windows-centric that is the only script they have for setup and trouble shooting.
For the ISP it is a matter of putting the money where most of their customers are. That is changing, but as yet Linux is mostly unsupported for internet connectivity.
YMMV
Linux can be used for any internet connection. If your modem / ethernet card works with linux you can get online. Not supported just means they wont help you set it up. But if your using linux you should have the skill to do this. Dont let a lack of offical linux support stop you. The only isps that might not work are those with propriety software like aol and such. On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 13:51, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Is there clear documentation on how to set it up? I couldn't find it on their site.
Also, in the event that I am not near a cable connection, do you know if Comcast offers dialup option into their accounts from a modem? I couldn't find this from their site either.
Finally, do any of the major ISPs support linux for dialup access?
Although Comcast doesn't officially support Linux, it works pretty
effortlessly. In fact, I found Linux easier to set up in > Comcast than XP.
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
The actual connection between your machine and the ISP is essentially transparent. If you use cable or DSL, the appropriate modem makes the connection and will hand you an IP using DHCP. DHCP is DHCP regardless of what OS you run, despite what the ISP may tell you.
Using dial-up, it rather depends on whether the ISP requires some funky private negotiation to log on. Most ISPs worth their salt use a standard PPP protocol to do the work. You log in using a standard username/password sequence, get your IP and away you go.
Personally, I use Road Runner broadband on Time/Warner cable. I have the hideously ugly "shark fin" cable modem feeding a D-Link 614 wireless router/switch and Linux all the way. Linux works fine even without the router. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Senior Systems Engineer rstevens@vitalstream.com - - VitalStream, Inc. http://www.vitalstream.com - - - - The Theory of Rapitivity: E=MC Hammer - - -- Glenn Marcus (via TopFive.com) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:04, Rick Stevens wrote:
Using dial-up, it rather depends on whether the ISP requires some funky private negotiation to log on. Most ISPs worth their salt use a standard PPP protocol to do the work. You log in using a standard username/password sequence, get your IP and away you go.
Personally, I use Road Runner broadband on Time/Warner cable. I have the hideously ugly "shark fin" cable modem feeding a D-Link 614 wireless router/switch and Linux all the way. Linux works fine even without the router.
Did you get linux to work with Road Runners dial up service?
I tried a couple of months ago with out success. Did not spend much time on it though.
Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:04, Rick Stevens wrote:
Using dial-up, it rather depends on whether the ISP requires some funky private negotiation to log on. Most ISPs worth their salt use a standard PPP protocol to do the work. You log in using a standard username/password sequence, get your IP and away you go.
Personally, I use Road Runner broadband on Time/Warner cable. I have the hideously ugly "shark fin" cable modem feeding a D-Link 614 wireless router/switch and Linux all the way. Linux works fine even without the router.
Did you get linux to work with Road Runners dial up service?
I tried a couple of months ago with out success. Did not spend much time on it though.
I don't use dialup. I use a cable modem, so no, I've not tried it. I'm sure I could get it to work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Senior Systems Engineer rstevens@vitalstream.com - - VitalStream, Inc. http://www.vitalstream.com - - - - I'm afraid my karma just ran over your dogma - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:15, Rick Stevens wrote:
Did you get linux to work with Road Runners dial up service?
I tried a couple of months ago with out success. Did not spend much time on it though.
I don't use dialup. I use a cable modem, so no, I've not tried it. I'm sure I could get it to work.
I figured it would be easy since the laptop recognized the modem and was able to dial out. Did not spend enough time to sort out why it would not authenticate. Tried a few quick things but dropped it as I really did not need to use the dialup service. Just wanted it in case I had to travel.
I may have to load up W2K to see what their dialup application does.
They seemed to indicate that they did not support Linux for the dialup service.
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 13:15, Rick Stevens wrote:
Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:04, Rick Stevens wrote:
Using dial-up, it rather depends on whether the ISP requires some funky private negotiation to log on. Most ISPs worth their salt use a standard PPP protocol to do the work. You log in using a standard username/password sequence, get your IP and away you go.
Personally, I use Road Runner broadband on Time/Warner cable. I have the hideously ugly "shark fin" cable modem feeding a D-Link 614 wireless router/switch and Linux all the way. Linux works fine even without the router.
Did you get linux to work with Road Runners dial up service?
I tried a couple of months ago with out success. Did not spend much time on it though.
I don't use dialup. I use a cable modem, so no, I've not tried it. I'm sure I could get it to work.
FWIW, I use RR broadband for home/office and have no problems, also being behind a HW router.
The last time that I checked, RR used some type of scripted login for dial-up, which was in their "proprietary" Windows dial-up client software. The official line was that they did not support Linux dial-up and even under Windows, you needed to use their client software.
When I am traveling and need dial-up, I use Earthlink having been an EL dial-up client for years. Otherwise, I generally try to stay in hotels that have in-room broadband connections where possible.
HTH,
Marc Schwartz
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:26, Marc Schwartz wrote:
FWIW, I use RR broadband for home/office and have no problems, also being behind a HW router.
The last time that I checked, RR used some type of scripted login for dial-up, which was in their "proprietary" Windows dial-up client software. The official line was that they did not support Linux dial-up and even under Windows, you needed to use their client software.
When I am traveling and need dial-up, I use Earthlink having been an EL dial-up client for years. Otherwise, I generally try to stay in hotels that have in-room broadband connections where possible.
HTH,
Marc Schwartz
From the few minutes I spent looking at it that is what I was afraid
they were doing.
I just hate to have to pay for dial up service that I may not use for many months at a time.
Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:04, Rick Stevens wrote:
Personally, I use Road Runner broadband on Time/Warner cable. I have the hideously ugly "shark fin" cable modem feeding a D-Link 614 wireless router/switch and Linux all the way. Linux works fine even without the router.
Did you get linux to work with Road Runners dial up service?
I tried a couple of months ago with out success. Did not spend much time on it though.
It works fine here. The cable modem feeds into a P-200 box running NetBSD, which acts as a firewall/NAT for the rest of the network.
Rick Stevens writes:
The actual connection between your machine and the ISP is essentially transparent. If you use cable or DSL, the appropriate modem makes the connection and will hand you an IP using DHCP. DHCP is DHCP regardless of what OS you run, despite what the ISP may tell you.
You must've never dealt with retard ISPs that use PPPoE, for DSL or cable.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 10:41:02AM -0700, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Also ask your ISP about support for low cost firewalls, wifi, boxes like Netgear, Linksys etc. Given the track record of many common operating systems simple dedicated firewall support should be a requirement of any customer and fully supported by any ISP.
With a simple box in place setting up Linux is almost as simple as plugging in the etherent.
On my 2 dsl connections I use www.freesco.com then a hub behind that. I have a small ISP and they know what they are doing.
Tim...
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 12:35, Nifty Hat Mitch wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 10:41:02AM -0700, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Also ask your ISP about support for low cost firewalls, wifi, boxes like Netgear, Linksys etc. Given the track record of many common operating systems simple dedicated firewall support should be a requirement of any customer and fully supported by any ISP.
With a simple box in place setting up Linux is almost as simple as plugging in the etherent.
-- T o m M i t c h e l l Just say no to 74LS73 in 2004
Hi,
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
All do except for the likes of AOL or ones which require you to use their own dialers. I've used about 10 ISPs in the UK, all claim to be Windows & Mac only.
I currently use Blueyonder broadband which catagorically states that their systems will not support Linux. It was very funny when a few months back I had a call from their customer services people wanting to know why I have not used broadband in yet despite it being in for months. I do. The reason it doesn't show is that they're expecting Microsoft identifiers from software and never ever see them from any of my home systems!
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
Really, you're not supplying an important piece of information - the country you are living in.
TTFN
Paul
Earthlink.net has been providing me with DSL connectivity via my RH9 based firewall for quite some time now. Their main pages are not Linux friendly and officially they do not support Linux. However, it did not take much effort to make Linux work and many of the staff use Linux themselves. They are "officially Linux phobic." However, they do not do anything active to prohibit Linux. So in practice they are not Linux phobic except for customer support. This means we do have some of the benefits of a large ISP that do not exist with small ISPs that are more Linux friendly.
{^_^} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Boettiger" adam.boettiger@pobox.com
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
I use verizon DSL and am on the west coast, so it's straight DHCP/ether here. Apparently the east coast verizon is ppoe. I read this on the web so it must be true.
Anyway, I have a hard drive I keep handy that has windows on it. I had to use this to create an account with a cdrom that came in my verizon self-install kit.
After that, I just plugged an extra ether card into a spare linux box, cabled it to the dsl modem, let kudzu find it, set it to dhcp. It came up no problems.
Finally I installed and configured "shorewall" to nat/firewall my net, dhcp for the private side, and a caching DNS. I might get one of those broadband routers at some point...lots of people are using those with linux and they are very easy to use. ---- John
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 13:41, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Adam,
I've tried to follow this thread and noticed that no one mentioned services, like SMTP or HTTP. Are you looking to put up a SMTP server or web server on your broadband link. You may want to query your list of local providers as to what limitations they place on subscribers.
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM. If you point the gun at your foot and pull the trigger, it's not the gun maker's fault.
They also require you to authenticate when sending email through their servers. They also block port 25 outbound traffic from their subscribers. I DO understand this as a SPAM preventive measure, and don't have a problem using them as a relay.
I have a static IP address (for what good it does me) and get 3Mb/s D/L and 512Kb/s U/L speeds consistently at about $50/month. The static IP was marketing hype, and was part of the "extreme" package. Dynamic DNS is a good substitute for a static IP address.
I have a D-Link router behind the DSL modem serving 2 wired and one (sometimes two) wireless PCs. One of the wired and one of the wireless machines run Linux. I would recommend front-ending your network with a router regardless of your provider. It will get you past the PPPOE issues if there are any, and provides a reasonable firewall. I like the D-Link DI-624 firewalling capabilities over that of the Linksys (WRTGsomething). The Linksys had much better SNR on the wireless side, however.
One last thing, if you are considering going with your local telco, ask if they will unbundle their DSL and dialtone services, just in case you want to go with VOIP in the future. Bellsouth currently will not in Florida.
Bob...
Hi,
I would advise against using your own SMTP server on home broadband, unless you really have a good reason.
I was running mine for a few months, after my ISP's server died a few times because of viruses. It went out OK, but a lot of messages bounced, as the recipient SMTP server rejected them, as they were coming from a residential IP block (and with all the spam and viruses, chances are, if you're not on a residential block list, you'll get there soon). Now if you have not configured your SMTP server properly (e.g. you just started sendmail with the default config), you could miss those bounces, and never learn that there was any problem.
Otherwise, I've seen some ISPs that are deliberately messing with linux boxes, but that is quite rare, and possible to handle. If you manage to avoid those, Fedora can handle pretty much any broadband connection with tools out of the box.
Anyway, good luck!
//Andro
Bob Chiodini wrote:
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 13:41, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
TIA
AB
Adam,
I've tried to follow this thread and noticed that no one mentioned services, like SMTP or HTTP. Are you looking to put up a SMTP server or web server on your broadband link. You may want to query your list of local providers as to what limitations they place on subscribers.
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM. If you point the gun at your foot and pull the trigger, it's not the gun maker's fault.
They also require you to authenticate when sending email through their servers. They also block port 25 outbound traffic from their subscribers. I DO understand this as a SPAM preventive measure, and don't have a problem using them as a relay.
I have a static IP address (for what good it does me) and get 3Mb/s D/L and 512Kb/s U/L speeds consistently at about $50/month. The static IP was marketing hype, and was part of the "extreme" package. Dynamic DNS is a good substitute for a static IP address.
I have a D-Link router behind the DSL modem serving 2 wired and one (sometimes two) wireless PCs. One of the wired and one of the wireless machines run Linux. I would recommend front-ending your network with a router regardless of your provider. It will get you past the PPPOE issues if there are any, and provides a reasonable firewall. I like the D-Link DI-624 firewalling capabilities over that of the Linksys (WRTGsomething). The Linksys had much better SNR on the wireless side, however.
One last thing, if you are considering going with your local telco, ask if they will unbundle their DSL and dialtone services, just in case you want to go with VOIP in the future. Bellsouth currently will not in Florida.
Bob...
Bob Chiodini writes:
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM.
Very easy: their network is infested with clueless imbeciles running open relays, or open proxies, on port 25.
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bob Chiodini writes:
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM.
Very easy: their network is infested with clueless imbeciles running open relays, or open proxies, on port 25.
Blocking outbound port 25 makes more sense for that. Inbound port 25 blocking really only makes sense if they are trying to enforce their rules for use of their network. Most ISPs don't want users running servers of any type, smtp, web, or whatever.
Comcast was suppose to have done this a few months ago. However I don't believe I have seen any reduction in spam from their domain. So either they did not cover everything, would think it would they would do it at the main routers, or like so many ISPs it was lip service since they make so much money from from spammers.
Scot L. Harris writes:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bob Chiodini writes:
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM.
Very easy: their network is infested with clueless imbeciles running open relays, or open proxies, on port 25.
Blocking outbound port 25 makes more sense for that.
Not if the clueless imbecile's mail server is configured to smarthost mail through the ISP.
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 20:03, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Scot L. Harris writes:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bob Chiodini writes:
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM.
Very easy: their network is infested with clueless imbeciles running open relays, or open proxies, on port 25.
Blocking outbound port 25 makes more sense for that.
Not if the clueless imbecile's mail server is configured to smarthost mail through the ISP.
Ah! But then the ISP knows which users are spamming everyone else since they can easily tell that by the load put on their email servers. They can then cut off service for that user and let them know that either their systems have been compromised or that they have violated the ISPs usage rules by spamming.
End result is that spam gets stopped and fewer compromised systems left to run on the Internet.
Scot L. Harris writes:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 20:03, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Scot L. Harris writes:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bob Chiodini writes:
I am a Bellsouth customer and for almost a year had a SMTP server up on my DSL link, but no more. They began blocking port 25 traffic TO their subscribers in an effort to stop SPAM. I personally do not see how blocking port 25 traffic to my IP address stops SPAM.
Very easy: their network is infested with clueless imbeciles running open relays, or open proxies, on port 25.
Blocking outbound port 25 makes more sense for that.
Not if the clueless imbecile's mail server is configured to smarthost mail through the ISP.
Ah! But then the ISP knows which users are spamming everyone else since they can easily tell that by the load put on their email servers.
But not before the ISP's customer smarthosts get blacklisted.
Which is why they block inbound port 25 in the first place.
--On Friday, August 27, 2004 9:14 PM -0400 Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
But not before the ISP's customer smarthosts get blacklisted.
Which is why they block inbound port 25 in the first place.
The ideal solution is to block all low ports < 1024 by default, and open them selectively by request (no questions asked, no support provided) using a web page. People competent enough to find the authorizing web page are less likely to run open relays (not just SMTP, but other proxies as well). And zombies would be instantly stopped.
Speakeasy's TOS allows servers, but would still benefit from such a "bozo filter".
ISP's should also be performing ingress and egress filtering by address, to block spoofed source addresses.
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 19:41, Adam Boettiger wrote:
Do any of the major ISPs offer dialup or broadband access that is compatible with Linux?
I searched and all I came up with were hosting account providers, not connectivity.
My ISP in Norway supplies a hardware router with a builtin DHCP server. DHCP works effortless with just about anything network enabled, no need to worry about PPPoE stuff (my router makes the PPP connection automatically).
You can probably find a DSL provider WhereverYouAre which provide the same (?).
-- Tarjei
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