I am NOT a computer expert. I tried RH8 and it recognized everything on a computer that was several years older. I said, "Why not on a laptop" I threw it on a laptop and bang it runs perfectly. I really am not any good with computers, and I was surprised that I was having no problems. My confidence was gaining and I tried a new computer with RH9. Bang - perfect! I tried downloading and installing Mplayer - no luck. Tried Xine. No problem! I had tried swapping an NVidia card with an old generic SIS - not much luck with Redhat. I had purchased SuSE 8.2 because I heard it was good. Nvidia card recognized without any problem. Went back to RH9 because it was more stable than SuSE, installing ATI instead. Tried Ximian, worked great. Downloaded Fedora. I love it. Put Suse 9 on my wife's machine, in the process wiping out a legal copy of Windows XP before backing up. (Did you know you don't get discs anymore?!) She is using it quite easily.
Moral of the story? A newbie as lame as myself did quite well with Linux of various flavors on various levels of hardware; even though I realize i had setbacks, I figured out alternates and other ways around; and, finally I realized that Linux is worth the work, and is accessible to everyone.
I can't understand that someone who boasts that they know alot about computers could say that they had trouble with linux.
Moral of the story? A newbie as lame as myself did quite well with Linux of various flavors on various levels of hardware; even though I realize i had setbacks, I figured out alternates and other ways around; and, finally I realized that Linux is worth the work, and is accessible to everyone.
Same with me, don't know anything 'bout PCs but installed Mandrake and Fedora and had no problem.
I can't understand that someone who boasts that they know alot about computers could say that they had trouble with linux.
That's the part which I find strange, a kernel hacker who gives up on Linux?
Alexander H.M. Ruoff wrote:
Moral of the story? A newbie as lame as myself did quite well with Linux of various flavors on various levels of hardware; even though I realize i had setbacks, I figured out alternates and other ways around; and, finally I realized that Linux is worth the work, and is accessible to everyone.
Same with me, don't know anything 'bout PCs but installed Mandrake and Fedora and had no problem.
I can't understand that someone who boasts that they know alot about computers could say that they had trouble with linux.
That's the part which I find strange, a kernel hacker who gives up on Linux?
Ah, just a Microsoft employee....just kidding.
Some people get fed up with some things in the Linux world I guess. I like it, but I'm not without complaint. One thing the community really needs to address is unity. Diversity is a good thing, but too much of it can kill you. When you are dealing with system level software then unity plays a more important role. I'll point to the sound system for this one. It's a prime example. Let us not forget why Windows beat Unix. Cost and development efforts.
KDE and Gnome are working together these days which is great. I think we need more standard pieces in X actually, or better let X stay as it is, then start a community project like "Unified Desktop Manager" or something. This would be a pluggable mananger which other managers could be built on top of. This is however a pain in the rump because it would have to be very well designed to be so flexible.
The community really does have to address the hardware vendors as well. If there were a web site dedicated to hardware users where we could start creating petitions for the different vendors then they would more clearly hear our voices. Many names together make a much larger splash than one at a time. People notice group letters when dealing with their products. They see it as: "Why did so many people take the time to send the same exact letter?" and "Maybe we should rethink our Linux strategy." and "I didn't know there were even that many people who buy our products using Linux.".
Anyways, those are just some points to make. I'm a programmer and I hate the sound system issues (as an example). Mac and Windows I have one standard interface. That makes it so much easier. Maybe we need a team of "community" users from this list to start examining their other systems and start giving feedback as to how better improve Fedora. I love Fedora, but there is never a time and place to not say something could do something better.
What do any of the Red Hat and Fedora developers think? Is LSB the answer, and is it moving toward addressing sound, graphics, and any other issue along this path, or is their a more desktop initiative out there?
Thanks,
Wade
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 3:08 pm, Alexander H.M. Ruoff wrote:
Moral of the story? A newbie as lame as myself did quite well with Linux of various flavors on various levels of hardware; even though I realize i had setbacks, I figured out alternates and other ways around; and, finally I realized that Linux is worth the work, and is accessible to everyone.
Same with me, don't know anything 'bout PCs but installed Mandrake and Fedora and had no problem.
I can't understand that someone who boasts that they know alot about computers could say that they had trouble with linux.
Huh? Are you saying that Linux never gives trouble?? Trust me, 99% of the problems I face with Linux I can solve, either by figuring it out myself or using the Internet as a technical reference... This problem was unsolvable for me and I need a working system at home... I was not installing it as a toy or a hobbyist machine. I was installing it with the eventual desire to erase Windows from my machine completely, and ran right into a brick wall. I wasted a lot of time trying to get this to work.
However, if I had been getting paid for this, I would probably have been much more motivated to dig deeper and perhaps solve this. As it is, I am so burnt out that I barely have the desire to turn the power switch on when I come home at night after a full day of dealing with Linux problems at work that I get paid to solve. I sometimes don't turn on my home system for up to a week at a time.
That's the part which I find strange, a kernel hacker who gives up on Linux?
Maybe that, better than anything else, shows how frustrated I am with this. Since I do get paid for this, it is not a hobby or "fun" to come home and wrestle with the same problems.
Em Qua, 2004-02-25 às 12:47, xyzzy@hotpop.com escreveu:
Maybe that, better than anything else, shows how frustrated I am with this. Since I do get paid for this, it is not a hobby or "fun" to come home and wrestle with the same problems.
Wasn't yourself that said in bugzilla something like: "the vanilla kernel works fine"... so I don't know what's your problem.
Huh? Are you saying that Linux never gives trouble?? Trust me, 99% of the problems I face with Linux I can solve, either by figuring it out myself or using the Internet as a technical reference... This
Well, don't know what you're doing to you system, but my system works fine for me and doesn't make any trouble at all. Maybe I am not a hot shot kernel hacker and just an average pc user, but I have no problems at all with linux and lots aof problems with windows.
Alex
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