9:37 p.m.
I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
manually?
this is FC6 here.
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Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
11:35 p.m.
Don't boot with them mounted.
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:37 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my
usb
storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
manually?
this is FC6 here.
--
regards,
Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
3:12 a.m.
On Tuesday 15 May 2007, Michael A Peters wrote:
Don't boot with them mounted.
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:37 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
> I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
> storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
> of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
> I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
> suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
> manually?
>
> this is FC6 here.
It doesn't seem to make any difference, just 2 days ago I got the message that
only root can mount while working on something I needed to take back to a
user account on another machine. So I become root, mounted the sonofabitch,
and then chown -R user:user it back to the user that needed it mounted in the
first place. Then found that user still couldn't write to the device because
that user on the ubuntu box it came from was uid 1000, where he was uid 500
on this box. So an hour's walking back and forth between buildings later, I
get samba working well enough to mount that whole machine as a share on this
box, with root running samba, then root launched krusader could copy things
both ways, while apparently translating the uid's. But I never was able to
smbclient -L and see the [home] share I setup in the smb.conf out there.
That's all I really wanted, but somebody decided that wasn't supposed to
work.
Ditto for umount, even though the user owns everything on that usb keychain
gizmo, "only root can umount" That is BS to me, and we spread it on
cornfields to grow 120 bushels to the acre where I come from.
To TPTB: If you want us to use our machines as normal users, then let normal
users USE the everyday tools we need to get our projects done. YOUR idea of
security seems to be to harrass the hapless user trying to do a job, and make
him spend an hour or more doing what should have been a 5 second file move, 5
seconds assuming he was a slow typer.
Until such time, then be aware that I run everything as root here unless a
specific projet requires otherwise. And selinux is turned off for exactly
the same reason. This is after all, my machine, and if I want to have it do
something its capable of, then get the hell out of the way and let me get it
done.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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4:10 a.m.
At 09:12 15/05/2007, you wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007, Michael A Peters wrote:
>Don't boot with them mounted.
>
>On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:37 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
>> I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
>> storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
>> of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
>> I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
>> suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
>> manually?
>>
>> this is FC6 here.
It doesn't seem to make any difference, just 2 days ago I got the
message that
only root can mount while working on something I needed to take back to a
Gene,
You might have seen my thread from a couple of days ago. There was an
update to FC5. Following that there's a load of errors during boot. I
offered to post my log file but nobody has so far expressed any
interest in examining it, and now my USB flash drives don't mount.
I've put my son under strict instructions NOT to update his FC5
machine, otherwise I won't be able to write a backup to flash after
rsync-ing it over the network to his PC.
I'm at work right now. The action I just took with my office desktop
was to run QTParted to remove the FC5 partitions from this machine,
then run the Dapper Drake installer. I've just selected the old XP
install from the new grub setup to make sure it still works as before
(it does) and in a minute I'm going to try out the new Kubuntu
install, see if I can get things set up like before with my FC5 ~/* backup.
Dave
7:14 a.m.
on 05/15/2007 12:35 AM Michael A Peters wrote:
Don't boot with them mounted.
I did not. The machine has not been rebooted for a week already. I tried
to unplug and plug the flash drives couple times. I prefer to mound the
stuff manually, therefore "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged"
options in gnome-volume-properties is unchecked on my system. So I open
nautilus as regular user, and mount the drive there, but it comes out
mounted under root.
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:37 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
> I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
> storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
> of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
> I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
> suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
> manually?
>
> this is FC6 here.
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Oleksandr Korneta
>
> /The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
>
--
regards,
Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
9:31 p.m.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to reply. I managed to solve the problem
and the credit for help goes to Chun-Chung Chen (who appears to be
reading the list but not signed up for it, so he mailed to me
separately). The problem seems to be with the gnome-mount package,
particularly with broken gconf parameters for the one. It is not clear
whether the configuration was broken when installing the gnome-mount
package itself or by some other package. In order to fix the glitch with
permission on mounted external storage I had to add "mount_options" key
to the /system/storage/default_options/vfat/ path. The key has to be of
type List with the items of type String. The problem is resolved by
adding just one value to the list, namely "uid=".
This role of key is described on gnome-mount man page, although this
page seems to be rather outdated.
Later it was found that simple reinstallation of the gnome-mount package
solves the problem and similar keys are added for many other file systems.
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:37 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
> I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
> storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
> of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
> I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
> suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
> manually?
>
> this is FC6 here.
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Oleksandr Korneta
>
> /The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
>
--
regards,
Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
8:28 p.m.
damned, it is driving me crazy. /var/log/messages says
"mounted /dev/sda1 on behalf of uid 501" This is my uid!!! I mount the
drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have no write access!
I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
Where are these freaking hal rules located? I want to fix this manually.
on 05/14/2007 10:37 PM oleksandr korneta wrote:
I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my
usb
storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
manually?
this is FC6 here.
--
regards,
Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
9:54 p.m.
Same goes for my Sony Ericsson W850i with built in Memory stick. What gives?
On 18/05/07, oleksandr korneta <atenrok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
damned, it is driving me crazy. /var/log/messages says
"mounted /dev/sda1 on behalf of uid 501" This is my uid!!! I mount the
drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have no write access!
I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
Where are these freaking hal rules located? I want to fix this manually.
on 05/14/2007 10:37 PM oleksandr korneta wrote:
> I'm not sure when this began, but I just discovered that all my usb
> storage devices are mounted in a way that root appears to be the owner
> of all the files. Now I can't write anything to my flash drive, unless
> I open the root console. I'm sure It wasn't like this before, and I
> suspect it happened after one of the updates. Is there a way to fix this
> manually?
>
> this is FC6 here.
>
>
>
--
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Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
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10:59 p.m.
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 21:28 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
damned, it is driving me crazy. /var/log/messages says
"mounted /dev/sda1 on behalf of uid 501" This is my uid!!! I mount the
drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have no write
access!
I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
On FC6? I don't see that problem. I'm seeing things mounted with my
user ID but root as the group ID. I can still do what I want with the
device (mount, unmount, play with the files, etc.).
--
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important to the thread.)
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7:50 a.m.
Tim,
on 05/17/2007 11:59 PM Tim wrote:
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 21:28 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote:
> damned, it is driving me crazy. /var/log/messages says
> "mounted /dev/sda1 on behalf of uid 501" This is my uid!!! I mount the
> drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have no write
> access!
> I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
On FC6? I don't see that problem. I'm seeing things mounted with my
user ID but root as the group ID. I can still do what I want with the
device (mount, unmount, play with the files, etc.).
I'm really happy fro you that you don't have this problem. I did not see
it either since fresh install of FC6, until couple weeks ago (cant tell
exact time). Now _all_ my removable storage (DAPs, pen-drives, all the
media cards through cardreader) is mounted read-only on this system.
Now, who tells me what packages have something to do with this
situation, I will trace their update and try to roll back to previous
version?
PS: I hate the person who came up with *brilliant* idea to move all
the removable stuff mounting configurations from fstab, everything was
so clear and easy there...
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Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
11:08 a.m.
oleksandr korneta:
>> I mount the drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I
have
>> no write access! I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
Mine's:
ls -Zd /media/
drwxr-xr-x root root system_u:object_r:mnt_t /media/
And the /media parent directory permissions wouldn't affect write
permissions in sub-directories inside /media (e.g. /media/drive/file).
SELinux could be biting you.
Tim:
> On FC6? I don't see that problem. I'm seeing things
mounted with my
> user ID but root as the group ID. I can still do what I want with the
> device (mount, unmount, play with the files, etc.).
oleksandr korneta:
I'm really happy fro you that you don't have this problem. I
did not see
it either since fresh install of FC6, until couple weeks ago (cant tell
exact time).
Ok. Didn't know, until then that you're using FC6, too. I've been
keeping up-to-date with mine, I tend to run updates every other day or
so, and nothing recently has caused me problems. I hadn't noticed any
problems a little further back, but I hadn't used a flash drive during
that time. Are you up-to-date?
Now _all_ my removable storage (DAPs, pen-drives, all the media
cards
through cardreader) is mounted read-only on this system.
What file system are you using on them? FAT doesn't have separate user
permissions, so will get what the mount applies to it. Other systems do
have user ownership, and can/will use the ones on the drive's file
system.
Now, who tells me what packages have something to do with this
situation, I will trace their update and try to roll back to previous
version?
You should probably look through your /var/log/yum.log (if you used yum
to update). I haven't looked into what packages, but HAL, UDEV and
gnome-mount are some of the things that could be involved.
PS: I hate the person who came up with *brilliant* idea to move
all
the removable stuff mounting configurations from fstab, everything was
so clear and easy there...
As far as I'm concerned, removable media ought to work all by itself,
without you having to do anything with fstab. It's the damn computer,
it should figure out what to do.
Removable media can be a right pain with fstab, but you can still use
it. Though be prepared for headaches when it comes to things not being
connected at boot, USB drives that get plugged into different USB
sockets or connected in different orders (/dev/sda one day, /dev/sdb the
next time you plug it in after plugging in another device, first).
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important to the thread.)
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8:42 p.m.
on 05/18/2007 12:08 PM Tim wrote:
oleksandr korneta:
>>> I mount the drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have
>>> no write access! I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
Mine's:
ls -Zd /media/
drwxr-xr-x root root system_u:object_r:mnt_t /media/
mine is:
$ ls -Zd /media/
drwxrwxrwx root root system_u:object_r:mnt_t:s0 /media/
And the /media parent directory permissions wouldn't affect
write
permissions in sub-directories inside /media (e.g. /media/drive/file).
SELinux could be biting you.
My SELinux was disabled at install and it stays that way (just checked).
Tim:
>> On FC6? I don't see that problem. I'm seeing things mounted with my
>> user ID but root as the group ID. I can still do what I want with the
>> device (mount, unmount, play with the files, etc.).
oleksandr korneta:
> I'm really happy fro you that you don't have this problem. I did not see
> it either since fresh install of FC6, until couple weeks ago (cant tell
> exact time).
Ok. Didn't know, until then that you're using FC6, too. I've been
keeping up-to-date with mine, I tend to run updates every other day or
so, and nothing recently has caused me problems. I hadn't noticed any
problems a little further back, but I hadn't used a flash drive during
that time. Are you up-to-date?
yes. I use smart and update the system at least once a week from
official repositories.
> Now _all_ my removable storage (DAPs, pen-drives, all the media
cards
> through cardreader) is mounted read-only on this system.
What file system are you using on them? FAT doesn't have separate user
permissions, so will get what the mount applies to it. Other systems do
have user ownership, and can/will use the ones on the drive's file
system.
All these media have FAT16/32 filesystem. I know that FAT does not have
filesystem-lever permission policies, and that is why I blame my system.
> Now, who tells me what packages have something to do with this
> situation, I will trace their update and try to roll back to previous
> version?
You should probably look through your /var/log/yum.log (if you used yum
to update). I haven't looked into what packages, but HAL, UDEV and
gnome-mount are some of the things that could be involved.
No. I use smart, but
this:
$ rpm -qa hal udev gnome-mount --last
udev-095-17.fc6 Thu 18 Jan 2007 08:51:38
AM EST
hal-0.5.8.1-6.fc6 Fri 05 Jan 2007 07:42:08
PM EST
gnome-mount-0.5-2.fc6 Fri 03 Nov 2006 06:38:08
PM EST
tells me that the last time any these were updated was a while ago. This
problem showed up much later.
> PS: I hate the person who came up with *brilliant* idea to move
all
> the removable stuff mounting configurations from fstab, everything was
> so clear and easy there...
As far as I'm concerned, removable media ought to work all by itself,
without you having to do anything with fstab. It's the damn computer,
it should figure out what to do.
Tim, one thing I know for sure that in FC4 all the configuration was
managed through fstab and when I used to plug the pen drive the mount
point was created in /media and correspondent string was added to fstab
(thanks to whatever package was in charge of it). Thus, I was able to
either mount it manually or through the file-browser. And everything was
clear and transparent. And now this topic is 4 days old and no one even
can tell me where is the hal policy stored, so I can identify the
problem and fix it manually.
Removable media can be a right pain with fstab, but you can still use
it. Though be prepared for headaches when it comes to things not being
connected at boot, USB drives that get plugged into different USB
sockets or connected in different orders (/dev/sda one day, /dev/sdb the
next time you plug it in after plugging in another device, first).
I am familiar with this, and I know that pain, but at least whenever
something was wrong I knew it is my fault and I have enough expertise to
fix it. Now I know nothing.
--
regards,
Oleksandr Korneta
/The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./
9:47 p.m.
On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:42:16 -0400
oleksandr korneta <atenrok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
on 05/18/2007 12:08 PM Tim wrote:
> oleksandr korneta:
>> PS: I hate the person who came up with *brilliant* idea to move
>> all the removable stuff mounting configurations from fstab,
>> everything was so clear and easy there...
>
> As far as I'm concerned, removable media ought to work all by
> itself, without you having to do anything with fstab. It's the
> damn computer, it should figure out what to do.
Tim, one thing I know for sure that in FC4 all the configuration was
managed through fstab and when I used to plug the pen drive the mount
point was created in /media and correspondent string was added to
fstab (thanks to whatever package was in charge of it). Thus, I was
able to either mount it manually or through the file-browser. And
everything was clear and transparent. And now this topic is 4 days
old and no one even can tell me where is the hal policy stored, so I
can identify the problem and fix it manually.
Hear! Hear! Exactly.
>
> Removable media can be a right pain with fstab, but you can still
> use it. Though be prepared for headaches when it comes to things
> not being connected at boot, USB drives that get plugged into
> different USB sockets or connected in different orders (/dev/sda
> one day, /dev/sdb the next time you plug it in after plugging in
> another device, first).
I am familiar with this, and I know that pain, but at least whenever
something was wrong I knew it is my fault and I have enough expertise
to fix it. Now I know nothing.
5:31 p.m.
On Friday 18 May 2007 02:28, oleksandr korneta wrote:
damned, it is driving me crazy. /var/log/messages says
"mounted /dev/sda1 on behalf of uid 501" This is my uid!!! I mount the
drive, but the root appears to be the owner and I have no write access!
I even made /media world-writable - no difference.
Where are these freaking hal rules located? I want to fix this manually.
Listen, people, I don't want to give the impression that I'm some sort of a
smug bastard, but this afternoon I nuked my hard drive, reinstalled XP into a
bit bigger partition than before, then installed Dapper Drake.
I plugged in a USB flash drive and it "Just Worked" like FC5 used to do for me
a few days ago.
Also transferred a picture file from my phone via Bluetooth, like I used to be
able to do with FC5 up until a couple of months ago. Need to add normal users
to the appropriate groups to get USB mass storage, CD and audio to work for
them, but it's quite easy to do and I guess that's done for data security in
office environments.
Dave
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