Hi All,
I just tested a program to see how it would react to the Wayland only environment of KDE.
From what little I saw of KDE, I could not help but notice that KDE is really polished. It would be a good choice for moderate and above users. MATE is still the best choice for low skill user.
I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor?
My vote is that it would be a good thing. Gnome is too weird for me.
-T
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
I just tested a program to see how it would react to the Wayland only environment of KDE.
From what little I saw of KDE, I could not help but notice that KDE is really polished. It would be a good choice for moderate and above users. MATE is still the best choice for low skill user.
I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318
I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic usability feature seems to get so little attention.
I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor?
I seriously doubt it, as Fedora is highly invested in Gnome. However there was a recent decision that the next Fedora Workstation release would support KDE on an equal footing with Gnome:
https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/
My vote is that it would be a good thing. Gnome is too weird for me.
I agree, but that's just me.
poc
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 11:46 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi All,
I just tested a program to see how it would react to the Wayland only environment of KDE.
From what little I saw of KDE, I could not help but notice that KDE is really polished. It would be a good choice for moderate and above users. MATE is still the best choice for low skill user.
I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor?
My vote is that it would be a good thing. Gnome is too weird for me.
The current KDE in Fedora 41 has some glitches, so needs some time to mature. Here, the "primary" display setting doesn't stick.
On 9 Feb 2025, at 03:46, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor?
What is happening is that kde plasma will be presented as having equal status to gnome on the get fedora pages.
Barry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 6:25 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
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I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318
I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic usability feature seems to get so little attention.
Session restoration is also important for remote administration and patching. If a machine gets rebooted because it took security updates or the admin installed software and rebooted the machine, then it would be very useful for the user if the session was restored when the user logged back in.
Jeff
On Sun, 2025-02-09 at 14:27 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 6:25 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
[...]
I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318
I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic usability feature seems to get so little attention.
Session restoration is also important for remote administration and patching. If a machine gets rebooted because it took security updates or the admin installed software and rebooted the machine, then it would be very useful for the user if the session was restored when the user logged back in.
Note that I'm not even asking for full session restore, which would mean each app restoring its own state (open files, contents of the clipboard, current directory etc.). That clearly would require cooperation from the app itself, which couldn't be guaranteed in every case. I'd be happy just to have the windows and desktops restored correctly, and the current directory if it's still accessible. If other systems can do this, Linux should also be able to.
poc
On 2/9/25 4:06 AM, George N. White III wrote:
The current KDE in Fedora 41 has some glitches, so needs some time to mature. Here, the "primary" display setting doesn't stick.
I noticed that in their terminal, I could highlight a line and copy it to the secondary clipboard, but only the first 10 character or so would paste. I installed Leafpad, used the primary clipboard, to copy, and drop pasted the entire line into Leafpad. Then I copied the line into the secondary clipboard and then was able to paste it where I wanted.
On 10 Feb 2025, at 00:24, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I noticed that in their terminal, I could highlight a line and copy it to the secondary clipboard, but only the first 10 character or so would paste.
You mean using konsole?
I have no issues with the size of copy and paste in either clipboards.
Barry
On 2/10/25 1:05 AM, Barry wrote:
On 10 Feb 2025, at 00:24, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I noticed that in their terminal, I could highlight a line and copy it to the secondary clipboard, but only the first 10 character or so would paste.
You mean using konsole?
I have no issues with the size of copy and paste in either clipboards.
Barry
Yes. kconsole. I was running it straight off of Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-41-1.4.iso with no updates installed.
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