Scroll Bars with Arrows Wanted

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

How can I set up my system so that windows have scroll bars with
arrows.  The mouse scroll wheel works OK for vertical scrolling, but
not for horizontal.  I now need to edit a spread sheet with 29 columns.
 Grabbing the line in the scroll bar is tedious and finicky.  I'd like
this for native KDE applications, Gnome applications running under KDE,
Firefox, and Chrome.

System is Fedora-27 with all updates installed.

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/24/2018 11:48 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  How can I set up my system so that windows have scroll bars with
> arrows. 
>  The mouse scroll wheel works OK for vertical scrolling, but not for 
>  horizontal. I now need to edit a spread sheet with 29 columns. Grabbing 
>  the line in the scroll bar is tedious and finicky. I'd like this for 
>  native KDE applications, Gnome applications running under KDE, Firefox, 
>  and Chrome.
>  
>  System is Fedora-27 with all updates installed.
>   
I've always found that clicking in the scroll bar area will move it in 
the direction of the mouse arrow.  Doesn't that work for you?

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 12:13 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
>  On 01/24/2018 11:48 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  > How can I set up my system so that windows have scroll bars with
>  > arrows. 
>  > The mouse scroll wheel works OK for vertical scrolling, but not
>  > for 
>  > horizontal. I now need to edit a spread sheet with 29 columns.
>  > Grabbing 
>  > the line in the scroll bar is tedious and finicky. I'd like this
>  > for 
>  > native KDE applications, Gnome applications running under KDE,
>  > Firefox, 
>  > and Chrome.
>  > 
>  > System is Fedora-27 with all updates installed.
>  
>  I've always found that clicking in the scroll bar area will move it
>  in 
>  the direction of the mouse arrow.  Doesn't that work for you? 
Only too well!  Clicking on the scroll bar area can move the window
many columns.  For a window with 29 columns this is too much; I want to
scroll one column.

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/24/2018 12:25 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 12:13 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 01/24/2018 11:48 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> >> How can I set up my system so that windows have scroll bars with 
> >> arrows. The mouse scroll wheel works OK for vertical scrolling, but 
> >> not for horizontal. I now need to edit a spread sheet with 29 
> >> columns. Grabbing the line in the scroll bar is tedious and finicky. 
> >> I'd like this for native KDE applications, Gnome applications running 
> >> under KDE, Firefox, and Chrome. System is Fedora-27 with all updates 
> >> installed. 
> >
> >
> > I've always found that clicking in the scroll bar area will move it in
> > the direction of the mouse arrow.  Doesn't that work for you?
>  
>  Only too well!  Clicking on the scroll bar area can move the window many 
>  columns.  For a window with 29 columns this is too much; I want to 
>  scroll one column.
>   
The closer to the scroll bar the pointer is, the less the bar moves. 
HTH, HAND.

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:30:09 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:

>  The closer to the scroll bar the pointer is, the less the bar moves.
>
>  HTH, HAND. 
And that makes it so simple to click in order to move
one line in a window displaying a 10,000 line file :-).

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/24/2018 12:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>  On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:30:09 -0800
>  Joe Zeff wrote:
>  
> > The closer to the scroll bar the pointer is, the less the bar moves.
> > HTH, HAND.
>  
>  And that makes it so simple to click in order to move
>  one line in a window displaying a 10,000 line file :-).
>  
First off, you didn't say how big the file is and second, I gave you the 
best suggestion I had to offer.  Have you tried using the arrow keys on 
your keyboard?

[Tom Horsley]

When the arrows first disappeared someone gave me this
info:

Among the gtk3 designer's more repulsive "improvements" is the removal
of arrows from scrollbars, so when you have a very long list the slightest
touch of the scrollbar sends the contents zooming off into the sunset.

This can be fixed by creating this file:

~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css

and sticking this magic in it:

.scrollbar {
-GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
-GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
-GtkRange-slider-width: 15;
-GtkRange-stepper-size: 20;
}

That worked for a while, but now the designers have apparently
discovered people were circumventing them and changed things
so this no longer works :-).

[Ahmad Samir]

On 24 January 2018 at 22:36, Tom Horsley <horsley1953(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  When the arrows first disappeared someone gave me this
>  info:
>
>  Among the gtk3 designer's more repulsive "improvements" is the removal
>  of arrows from scrollbars, so when you have a very long list the slightest
>  touch of the scrollbar sends the contents zooming off into the sunset.
>
>  This can be fixed by creating this file:
>
>  ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
>
>  and sticking this magic in it:
>
>  .scrollbar {
>  -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
>  -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
>  -GtkRange-slider-width: 15;
>  -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20;
>  }
>
>  That worked for a while, but now the designers have apparently
>  discovered people were circumventing them and changed things
>  so this no longer works :-). 
Searching online, someone in the Linux Mint forum seems to have come
up with a way to make this work, simply replacing ".srcollbar" with
"*". I'd tested that briefly and it seems to work, but I don't know if
that would have any undesirable side-effects.

-- 
Ahmad Samir

[fred roller]

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

>  On 24 January 2018 at 22:36, Tom Horsley
> <horsley1953(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > When the arrows first disappeared someone gave me this
>  > info:
>  >
>  > Among the gtk3 designer's more repulsive "improvements" is the
> removal
>  > of arrows from scrollbars, so when you have a very long list the
>  slightest
>  > touch of the scrollbar sends the contents zooming off into the sunset.
>  >
>  > This can be fixed by creating this file:
>  >
>  > ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
>  >
>  > and sticking this magic in it:
>  >
>  > .scrollbar {
>  > -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
>  > -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
>  > -GtkRange-slider-width: 15;
>  > -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20;
>  > }
>  >
>  > That worked for a while, but now the designers have apparently
>  > discovered people were circumventing them and changed things
>  > so this no longer works :-).
>
>  Searching online, someone in the Linux Mint forum seems to have come
>  up with a way to make this work, simply replacing ".srcollbar" with
>  "*". I'd tested that briefly and it seems to work, but I don't know if
>  that would have any undesirable side-effects.
>
>  --
>  Ahmad Samir
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have you tried [shift]+[wheel] for horizontal scroll?

-- Fred

EXTERNAL: Re: Scroll Bars with Arrows Wanted

[Wells, Roger K.]

On 01/24/2018 04:49 PM, fred roller wrote:
>  On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891(a)gmail.com 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      On 24 January 2018 at 22:36, Tom Horsley <horsley1953(a)gmail.com
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>      > When the arrows first disappeared someone gave me this
>      > info:
>      >
>      > Among the gtk3 designer's more repulsive "improvements" is the
>      removal
>      > of arrows from scrollbars, so when you have a very long list the
>      slightest
>      > touch of the scrollbar sends the contents zooming off into the
>      sunset.
>      >
>      > This can be fixed by creating this file:
>      >
>      > ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
>      >
>      > and sticking this magic in it:
>      >
>      > .scrollbar {
>      > -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
>      > -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
>      > -GtkRange-slider-width: 15;
>      > -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20;
>      > }
>      >
>      > That worked for a while, but now the designers have apparently
>      > discovered people were circumventing them and changed things
>      > so this no longer works :-).
>
>      Searching online, someone in the Linux Mint forum seems to have come
>      up with a way to make this work, simply replacing ".srcollbar" with
>      "*". I'd tested that briefly and it seems to work, but I don't know
> if
>      that would have any undesirable side-effects.
>
>      --
>      Ahmad Samir
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>      users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>
>
>  have you tried [shift]+[wheel] for horizontal scroll?
>
>  -- Fred
>  
I just tried that in a libreoffice spreadsheet and it worked very well

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[Jakub Jelen]

On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 16:47 -0500, fred roller wrote:
>  have you tried [shift]+[wheel] for horizontal scroll?
>  
>  -- Fred 
In Firefox, it scrolls through the history, which is not very useful.

Regards,
Jakub

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:41:56 +0200
Ahmad Samir wrote:

>  Searching online, someone in the Linux Mint forum seems to have come
>  up with a way to make this work, simply replacing ".srcollbar" with
>  "*". I'd tested that briefly and it seems to work, but I don't know if
>  that would have any undesirable side-effects. 
Hey! It does work (at least for gtk3 apps). Thanks.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 01/24/2018 12:36 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>  .scrollbar {
>  -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
>  -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
>  -GtkRange-slider-width: 15;
>  -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20;
>  }
>  
>  That worked for a while, but now the designers have apparently
>  discovered people were circumventing them and changed things
>  so this no longer works :-). 
Remove the . from .scrollbar and it will work again.  I guess they 
removed the redundant class from the css.  Also, the last two options 
are marked as deprecated so they will be removed at some point.

scrollbar {
-GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1;
-GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1;
}

The stepper buttons are pretty small by default, so you might also want 
to add:
scrollbar button {
min-width: 10px;
min-height: 10px;
}

[Ron Yorston]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 12:13 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > I've always found that clicking in the scroll bar area will move it
> > in 
> > the direction of the mouse arrow.  Doesn't that work for you?
>
> Only too well!  Clicking on the scroll bar area can move the window
> many columns.  For a window with 29 columns this is too much; I want to
> scroll one column. 
Just some additional information, in case it's of use to anyone:

It used to be that clicking in the trough of a scrollbar would move
by a page.  GTK3 defaults to moving the slider to the point of the
click.  To get the old behaviour back create or edit this file:

   ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini

so it contains:

   [Settings]
   gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0

Ron