VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_2.VOB VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_2.VOB VIDEO_TS.IFO VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_1.VOB :(

[Heikki Pesonen]

I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer
using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input
device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my
DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data
from the DVD to the computer.

Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to
use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in
the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my DVD
is:

[fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls
VIDEO_TS
[fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS
[fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls
VIDEO_TS.BUP  VIDEO_TS.VOB  VTS_01_0.IFO  VTS_01_2.VOB
VIDEO_TS.IFO  VTS_01_0.BUP  VTS_01_1.VOB
[fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$

I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use
1. to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I
could move to vfat and after that process in Windows
2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or
VHS.

No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any
program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap
device with my old TV can do that!

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 24 July 2006 07:06, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer
> using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input
> device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my
> DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data
> from the DVD to the computer.
>
> Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to
> use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in
> the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my
> DVD is:
>
> [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls
> VIDEO_TS
> [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS
> [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls
> VIDEO_TS.BUP  VIDEO_TS.VOB  VTS_01_0.IFO  VTS_01_2.VOB
> VIDEO_TS.IFO  VTS_01_0.BUP  VTS_01_1.VOB
> [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$
>
> I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use
> to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I
>
> could move to vfat and after that process in Windows
> 2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or
> VHS.
>
> No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any
> program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap
> device with my old TV can do that!

You're much nearer than you think.  First, you do not need to change the 
format or to edit those files in any way.  As well as the files you list, you 
should have a directory called AUDIO_TS.  Use k3b or any other burning 
application to copy both AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS onto your dvd.  (It doesn't 
matter if AUDIO_TS is empty.)

You then have a playable DVD.  However, you will need other packages installed 
to play them, as those are not supplied with FC, due to potential illegality 
in some countries.  You can get them through some of the external 
repositories, probably freshrpms or livna.  You certainly need libdvdcss, and 
you should get every codec package you can see, as you will also need them 
for mp3 and some other multimedia formats.

Anne

[Dr J Austin]

On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:03 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 24 July 2006 07:06, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> > I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer
> > using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input
> > device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my
> > DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data
> > from the DVD to the computer.
> >
> > Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to
> > use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in
> > the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my
> > DVD is:
> >
> > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls
> > VIDEO_TS
> > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS
> > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls
> > VIDEO_TS.BUP  VIDEO_TS.VOB  VTS_01_0.IFO  VTS_01_2.VOB
> > VIDEO_TS.IFO  VTS_01_0.BUP  VTS_01_1.VOB
> > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$
> >
> > I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use
> > to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I
> >
> > could move to vfat and after that process in Windows
> > 2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or
> > VHS.
> >
> > No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any
> > program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap
> > device with my old TV can do that!
>
> You're much nearer than you think.  First, you do not need to change the 
> format or to edit those files in any way.  As well as the files you list, you 
> should have a directory called AUDIO_TS.  Use k3b or any other burning 
> application to copy both AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS onto your dvd.  (It doesn't 
> matter if AUDIO_TS is empty.)
>
> You then have a playable DVD.  However, you will need other packages installed 
> to play them, as those are not supplied with FC, due to potential illegality 
> in some countries.  You can get them through some of the external 
> repositories, probably freshrpms or livna.  You certainly need libdvdcss, and 
> you should get every codec package you can see, as you will also need them 
> for mp3 and some other multimedia formats.
>
> Anne

Hi

I have just carried out the above and created an iso image from VIDEO_TS
and AUDIO_TS directories using xcdroast

Ran mplayer directly on the iso image, it ran correctly as a complete
dvd!!
(I usually play the VOB files separately! in which case mplayer, xine
and totem-xine all work)
################################
I tried totem-xine on the iso image with the message
"The source seems encrypted, and can't be read.
Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?"
However
rpm -qa|grep -i libdvdcss
libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5.i386
################################
I tried xine on the iso image with the message
"couldn't find demux for ...iso
this usually means the file format was not recognised"

I don't understand what is going on!!!!

John

[Heikki Pesonen]

Thank you for your advice, but I have no problems to see my old films in the
DVD prepared by my frend,
> because a cheap device (connected) with my old TV can do that!

I also understand why such a free program like Fedora Core 5 can not show
them to me. But I wonder why an expensive Windows XP is unable of that, but
we are in the Linux-world now so who cares ...

The real problem is that I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which
my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora
Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could
send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 24 July 2006 11:05, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> Thank you for your advice, but I have no problems to see my old films in
> the DVD prepared by my frend,
> > because a cheap device (connected) with my old TV can do that!
>
> I also understand why such a free program like Fedora Core 5 can not show
> them to me. But I wonder why an expensive Windows XP is unable of that, but
> we are in the Linux-world now so who cares ...
>
> The real problem is that I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which
> my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora
> Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could
> send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

Just burning the two directories to a DVD should be all you need to play it on 
a stand-alone player.  It's playing on the computer that would need extra 
work.

Anne

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 24 July 2006 11:02, John Austin wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have just carried out the above and created an iso image from VIDEO_TS
> and AUDIO_TS directories using xcdroast
>
> Ran mplayer directly on the iso image, it ran correctly as a complete
> dvd!!
> (I usually play the VOB files separately! in which case mplayer, xine
> and totem-xine all work)
> ################################
> I tried totem-xine on the iso image with the message
> "The source seems encrypted, and can't be read.
> Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?"
> However
> rpm -qa|grep -i libdvdcss
> libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5.i386
> ################################
> I tried xine on the iso image with the message
> "couldn't find demux for ...iso
> this usually means the file format was not recognised"
>
> I don't understand what is going on!!!!

I'm embarrassed to say that I can't remember the answer to this.  I know I had 
the same situation when I first installed FC4.  I think that I was missing 
one package, and that I sorted it by doing a yum search on 'xmms'.  I think 
that the difference is that mplayer doesn't use the xine engine.

Sorry I can't help with specifics, but I think it was fairly easy to resolve 
when I used yum search - fairly clear what I might be missing.

Anne

[Kenny Gow]

John Austin wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:03 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday 24 July 2006 07:06, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> > > I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer
> > > using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input
> > > device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my
> > > DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data
> > > from the DVD to the computer.
> > >
> > > Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to
> > > use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in
> > > the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my
> > > DVD is:
> > >
> > > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls
> > > VIDEO_TS
> > > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS
> > > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls
> > > VIDEO_TS.BUP  VIDEO_TS.VOB  VTS_01_0.IFO  VTS_01_2.VOB
> > > VIDEO_TS.IFO  VTS_01_0.BUP  VTS_01_1.VOB
> > > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$
> > >
> > > I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use
> > > to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I
> > >
> > > could move to vfat and after that process in Windows
> > > 2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or
> > > VHS.
> > >
> > > No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any
> > > program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap
> > > device with my old TV can do that!
> >
> > You're much nearer than you think.  First, you do not need to change the 
> > format or to edit those files in any way.  As well as the files you list, you 
> > should have a directory called AUDIO_TS.  Use k3b or any other burning 
> > application to copy both AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS onto your dvd.  (It doesn't 
> > matter if AUDIO_TS is empty.)
> >
> > You then have a playable DVD.  However, you will need other packages installed 
> > to play them, as those are not supplied with FC, due to potential illegality 
> > in some countries.  You can get them through some of the external 
> > repositories, probably freshrpms or livna.  You certainly need libdvdcss, and 
> > you should get every codec package you can see, as you will also need them 
> > for mp3 and some other multimedia formats.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Hi
>
> I have just carried out the above and created an iso image from VIDEO_TS
> and AUDIO_TS directories using xcdroast
>
> Ran mplayer directly on the iso image, it ran correctly as a complete
> dvd!!
> (I usually play the VOB files separately! in which case mplayer, xine
> and totem-xine all work)
> ################################
> I tried totem-xine on the iso image with the message
> "The source seems encrypted, and can't be read.
> Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?"
> However
> rpm -qa|grep -i libdvdcss
> libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5.i386
> ################################
> I tried xine on the iso image with the message
> "couldn't find demux for ...iso
> this usually means the file format was not recognised"
>
> I don't understand what is going on!!!!
>
> John

Try

xine dvd:/full/path/to/iso/image

and also make sure you have all the libdvd* libraries:

libdvdnav-0.1.10-2.lvn5
libdvdplay-1.0.1-4.lvn5
libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5
libdvdread-0.9.4-4.lvn5

--Kenny

[Heikki Pesonen]

Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not how
to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen  wrote:
> I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program
> Pinacle Studio could read or
> find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora
> Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could
> send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

[Philip Walden]

Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not 
> how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
> On 7/24/06, *Heikki Pesonen * <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
>  I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my
> Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to
> Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD
> which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box
> and on old TV.

From http://rpm.greysector.net/  repo, install mencoder then do 
something like

mencoder dvd:// -vf harddup  -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts 
acodec=mp2:vcodec=msmpeg4v2:keyint=25 -o mydvd.avi

copy over to windows pinnacle

OR

From http://rpm.livna.org/ repo install dvdstyler, dvdauthor and 
dvd+rw-tools

use dvdstyler to make your dvds

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 24 July 2006 16:42, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not how
> to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
>
> On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen  wrote:
> > I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program
> > Pinacle Studio could read or
> > find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora
> > Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could
> > send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

We have told you how you can create a DVD to view them, but as far as I know 
it is not possible to convert those files into anything editable.  The 
experts in this field can be found on the mjpegtools mailing list.  They are 
very helpful and will tell you if there is any way to do it.

Anne

[Mikkel]

Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> The real problem is that I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format
> which my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to
> Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which
> I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

You may want to take a look at dvdrip.

http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/

It will convert DVD's to other formats. It is a GUI front end to
programs like transcode. You could also use transcode to do the work
if you are comfortable with the CLI. In ether case, you can work
with a "real" DVD, or a DVD image on disk. You can also work with
the files from the DVD. I am not sure if they are in extras, or if
you will need to get them from Livda.

Mikkel

[Robin Laing]

Philip Walden wrote:
> Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> > Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not 
> > how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
> > On 7/24/06, *Heikki Pesonen * <[e-mail] 
> > > wrote:
> >  I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my
> > Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> > find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to
> > Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD
> > which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box
> > and on old TV.
>
> From http://rpm.greysector.net/  repo, install mencoder then do 
> something like
>
> mencoder dvd:// -vf harddup  -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts 
> acodec=mp2:vcodec=msmpeg4v2:keyint=25 -o mydvd.avi
>
> copy over to windows pinnacle
>
> OR
>
> From http://rpm.livna.org/ repo install dvdstyler, dvdauthor and 
> dvd+rw-tools
>
> use dvdstyler to make your dvds

Also add in dvd::rip
http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/

Avidemux,

Cinelerra
http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3

Some info but out of date.
http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/

Note, once you rip and edit, you have to re-author the material if you 
want to watch it on a DVD.

DVD authoring in Linux isn't as easy yet as with Windows.  It can be 
done though.

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 18:42 +0300, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not
> how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
> On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen  wrote:
>          I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my
>         Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
>         find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie
>         skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a
>         video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an
>         old DVD-player box and on old TV.

It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.  That
would be the first thing I would try.  But the first thing you need to
do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted. I haven't gone thru
this entire thread so I don't know the exact source of your VOB's, but
if they are coming from a store or have been purchased they are probably
encrypted and need to be decrypted before editing or conversion.  FC5
has sources available for decryption of this type.

Assuming that they aren't encrypted, I'd start with mencoder to begin
conversion to other video formats.

The other thing is that when you use K3b to burn a DVD, one of the
things that makes a DVD an actual DVD is the use of UDF file structures.
Without them, alot of DVD burners (especially older or cheap ones) will
not be able to read your DVD.  Make sure that you have all three
filesystems checked in the "filesystems" tab of the burn window whenever
you go to burn your stuff to DVD.

LX

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 11:02 +0100, John Austin wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have just carried out the above and created an iso image from VIDEO_TS
> and AUDIO_TS directories using xcdroast
>
> Ran mplayer directly on the iso image, it ran correctly as a complete
> dvd!!
> (I usually play the VOB files separately! in which case mplayer, xine
> and totem-xine all work)
> ################################
> I tried totem-xine on the iso image with the message
> "The source seems encrypted, and can't be read.
> Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?"
> However
> rpm -qa|grep -i libdvdcss
> libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5.i386
> ################################
> I tried xine on the iso image with the message
> "couldn't find demux for ...iso
> this usually means the file format was not recognised"
>
> I don't understand what is going on!!!!
>
> John

Make sure you run ldconfig at least once before you test again.

LX

[Claude Jones]

On Tuesday July 25 2006 11:42 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
> to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.  That
> would be the first thing I would try.  But the first thing you need to
> do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted. I haven't gone thru
> this entire thread so I don't know the exact source of your VOB's, but
> if they are coming from a store or have been purchased they are probably
> encrypted and need to be decrypted before editing or conversion.  FC5
> has sources available for decryption of this type.
>
> Assuming that they aren't encrypted, I'd start with mencoder to begin
> conversion to other video formats.

One thing not mentioned in this thread is the nature of .vob files. 
Essentially, they are mpg2 files with additional meta-data. Some editing 
programs such as Sony's Vegas (from MS land), can deal with them directly on 
the timeline. You might just try using some of the editors available in Linux 
to see if that holds true as well...it's a stretch, but easy to try. This is 
only a suggestion, and maybe someone else has already tried this - I haven't, 
so I have no direct knowledge, except that I've done this in Vegas.

[Bob Marcan]

Claude Jones wrote:
> On Tuesday July 25 2006 11:42 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
> > to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.  That
> > would be the first thing I would try.  But the first thing you need to
> > do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted. I haven't gone thru
> > this entire thread so I don't know the exact source of your VOB's, but
> > if they are coming from a store or have been purchased they are probably
> > encrypted and need to be decrypted before editing or conversion.  FC5
> > has sources available for decryption of this type.
> >
> > Assuming that they aren't encrypted, I'd start with mencoder to begin
> > conversion to other video formats.
>
> One thing not mentioned in this thread is the nature of .vob files. 
> Essentially, they are mpg2 files with additional meta-data. Some editing 
> programs such as Sony's Vegas (from MS land), can deal with them directly on 
> the timeline. You might just try using some of the editors available in Linux 
> to see if that holds true as well...it's a stretch, but easy to try. This is 
> only a suggestion, and maybe someone else has already tried this - I haven't, 
> so I have no direct knowledge, except that I've done this in Vegas.

avidemux ( rpmforge )
gopchop ( http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/gopchop )
ffmpeg
mencoder
qdvdauthor
...

AUDIO_TS
VIDEO_TS
are already proper format to burn a DVD
invoke k3b, select New Video DVD Project,
drag files from VIDEO_TS to K3b VIDEO_TS directory ...

Regards, Bob

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tuesday 25 July 2006 17:42, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 18:42 +0300, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> > Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not
> > how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
> > On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen  wrote:
> >          I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my
> >         Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> >         find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie
> >         skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a
> >         video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an
> >         old DVD-player box and on old TV.
>
> It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
> to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.

Not only possible. I did it on several occasions so far, and can say that 
mplayer suite (including mencoder) is very powerful, at least for my taste. 
The drawback is that it isn't point&click, you are required to read a 
nontrivial amount of docs and man pages in order to set up all the switches 
the way you need.

Also, mencoder can do some basic filtering and processing of the image during 
the conversion. Things like resizing, flipping, cropping, adding sound etc. 
So you do not need to use Pinacle if all you wish to do is to convert the 
movie from 16:9 to 4:3, for example. However, if you need to cut&paste the 
movie or something more complicated, then...

I can also suggest using Sony Vegas instead of Pinacle. Not as powerful, but 
*much* easier to use. At least for me.
> But the first thing you need to
> do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the concept of 
enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I mean, why is that
useful?

If I can watch the movie using the original dvd, ie if some sequence of images 
can be displayed on my screen, then it is in principle always possible to put 
that data not to the screen, but to a, say, file, and reprocess it later. How 
to do it is another story, but in principle it has to be possible. (The Linux 
philosophy -- everything is a stream of bytes...).

So why encrypt the data if it is intended for the end-user to see unencrypted? 
I mean, you can't stop him from copying it if he is allowed to see it...

Best regards, :-)
Marko

[Robin Laing]

Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 17:42, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 18:42 +0300, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> > > Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not
> > > how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that
> > > On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen  wrote:
> > >         I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my
> > >        Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or
> > >        find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie
> > >        skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a
> > >        video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an
> > >        old DVD-player box and on old TV.
> >
> > It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
> > to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.
>
> Not only possible. I did it on several occasions so far, and can say that 
> mplayer suite (including mencoder) is very powerful, at least for my taste. 
> The drawback is that it isn't point&click, you are required to read a 
> nontrivial amount of docs and man pages in order to set up all the switches 
> the way you need.

And the examples are not all that easy to follow.  Allot of trial and 
error if you want to do more than convert to an AVI.  If you are going 
to use some other software for editing later, then I find that DVD::rip 
is nicer.
> Also, mencoder can do some basic filtering and processing of the image during 
> the conversion. Things like resizing, flipping, cropping, adding sound etc. 
> So you do not need to use Pinacle if all you wish to do is to convert the 
> movie from 16:9 to 4:3, for example. However, if you need to cut&paste the 
> movie or something more complicated, then...

I have used mencoder to take a PAL DVD and convert it to NTSC which 
included resizing and changing the timebase.

You can use mencoder to cut and paste but you have to do it from command 
line and this is not that easy.
> I can also suggest using Sony Vegas instead of Pinacle. Not as powerful, but 
> *much* easier to use. At least for me.
> > But the first thing you need to
> > do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted.
>
> Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the concept of 
> enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I mean, why is that
> useful?
>
> If I can watch the movie using the original dvd, ie if some sequence of images 
> can be displayed on my screen, then it is in principle always possible to put 
> that data not to the screen, but to a, say, file, and reprocess it later. How 
> to do it is another story, but in principle it has to be possible. (The Linux 
> philosophy -- everything is a stream of bytes...).
>
> So why encrypt the data if it is intended for the end-user to see unencrypted? 
> I mean, you can't stop him from copying it if he is allowed to see it...

HD-DVD's have copied this way.  One frame at a time with a script.
> Best regards, :-)
> Marko

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:48 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 17:42, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over
> > to an acceptable format.  Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox.
>
> Not only possible. I did it on several occasions so far, and can say that 
> mplayer suite (including mencoder) is very powerful, at least for my taste. 
> The drawback is that it isn't point&click, you are required to read a 
> nontrivial amount of docs and man pages in order to set up all the switches 
> the way you need.
>
> Also, mencoder can do some basic filtering and processing of the image during 
> the conversion. Things like resizing, flipping, cropping, adding sound etc. 
> So you do not need to use Pinacle if all you wish to do is to convert the 
> movie from 16:9 to 4:3, for example. However, if you need to cut&paste the 
> movie or something more complicated, then...
>
> I can also suggest using Sony Vegas instead of Pinacle. Not as powerful, but 
> *much* easier to use. At least for me.
> > But the first thing you need to
> > do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted.
>
> Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the concept of 
> enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I mean, why is that
> useful?

It's useful only from the standpoint of the liberal democratic monarchy
in Hollywood, who don't want you copying their stuff even if you are
doing your own backups, which you have the right to do under regular
copyright law.  (The topic has been decryption of already encrypted
vob's, not vice versa)
> If I can watch the movie using the original dvd, ie if some sequence of images 
> can be displayed on my screen, then it is in principle always possible to put 
> that data not to the screen, but to a, say, file, and reprocess it later. How 
> to do it is another story, but in principle it has to be possible. (The Linux 
> philosophy -- everything is a stream of bytes...).
>
> So why encrypt the data if it is intended for the end-user to see unencrypted? 
> I mean, you can't stop him from copying it if he is allowed to see it...
>
> Best regards, :-)
> Marko

Nobody is arguing that vob's need to be encrypted in the user's
environment.  In fact if anything it's been the opposite.

LX

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 13:19 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:
> avidemux ( rpmforge )
> gopchop ( http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/gopchop )
> ffmpeg
> mencoder
> qdvdauthor
> ...
>
> AUDIO_TS
> VIDEO_TS
> are already proper format to burn a DVD
> invoke k3b, select New Video DVD Project,
> drag files from VIDEO_TS to K3b VIDEO_TS directory ...
>
> Regards, Bob

When you talk about format, you are also talking about the filesystem
type(s) used on the DVD's, which should include UDF structures.  Not
just the vob attributes.
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LX

[Bob Marcan]

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 13:19 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:
> > avidemux ( rpmforge )
> > gopchop ( http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/gopchop )
> > ffmpeg
> > mencoder
> > qdvdauthor
> > ...
> >
> > AUDIO_TS
> > VIDEO_TS
> > are already proper format to burn a DVD
> > invoke k3b, select New Video DVD Project,
> > drag files from VIDEO_TS to K3b VIDEO_TS directory ...
> >
> > Regards, Bob
>
> When you talk about format, you are also talking about the filesystem
> type(s) used on the DVD's, which should include UDF structures.  Not
> just the vob attributes.
>
> LX

This is exactly what k3b New Video DVD Project does.

[Tim]

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:48 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the
> concept of enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I
> mean, why is that useful?

It's a fruitless attempt to prevent piracy.  It does nothing of the
sort, in reality.

[Martin Marques]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:48 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the
> > concept of enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I
> > mean, why is that useful?
>
> It's a fruitless attempt to prevent piracy.  It does nothing of the
> sort, in reality.

To clarify a bit, does DVD::Rip unencrypt the .VOB files that are in a 
movie DVD?

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[Heikki Pesonen]

I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program
Pinnacle Studio could read or
find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora
Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could
send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

Thanks to all! At this moment I have a Windows GPL program "VirtualDubMod".
It could convert my VOB-files to AVI-files (although very large) which
Pinnacle Studio can read and I can start editing them.

A bit later I'll try to do the same in Linux and especially to find a
program for editing movies. Pinnacle Studio is easy to use but unstable and
the possibility to sharpen old 2*8 or super 8 movies is lacking.

[Robin Laing]

Martin Marques wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Tim wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:48 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > > Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the
> > > concept of enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I
> > > mean, why is that useful?
> >
> > It's a fruitless attempt to prevent piracy.  It does nothing of the
> > sort, in reality.
>
> To clarify a bit, does DVD::Rip unencrypt the .VOB files that are in a 
> movie DVD?

If you have the correct libs installed, it will create an AVI of your DVD.

Home page.

http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/

You can then use any AVI editor to edit the video.

[Heikki Pesonen]

On 7/31/06, Robin Laing  wrote:
> Martin Marques wrote: ...  DVD::Rip unencrypt the .VOB files that are in a
> > movie DVD?
>
> If you have the correct libs installed, it will create an AVI of your DVD.
>
> Home page.
>
> http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
>
> You can then use any AVI editor to edit the video.

I downloaded  perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpmhttp://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/5/perl-Video-DVDRip/perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm
But unfortunately:
"Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is needed by
package perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip"

How to uppdate my Fedora Core 5 for these dependencies?  Sorry for the
probably stupid question, but I am a newbie ...

[Robin Laing]

Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> On 7/31/06, *Robin Laing* <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> Martin Marques wrote: ...  DVD::Rip unencrypt the .VOB files that
> are in a
>  > movie DVD?
>  >
> If you have the correct libs installed, it will create an AVI of
> your DVD.
>
> Home page.
>
> http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
>
> You can then use any AVI editor to edit the video.
>
>
> I downloaded  perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm 
> http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/5/perl-Video-DVDRip/perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm
> But unfortunately:
> "Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by 
> package perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is 
> needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by package 
> perl-Video-DVDRip"
>
> How to uppdate my Fedora Core 5 for these dependencies?  Sorry for the 
> probably stupid question, but I am a newbie ...

I cannot help you there.  I use FC4.

I used yum to install DVDRip which I guess met the requirements 
automatically.  I have a perl-Event-RPC that is built by Dries installed 
on my system.

I also have perl-Event from Dries as well as perl-Frontier-RPC from RedHat.

This is where yum works so well as long as you have the repositories setup.

[jim lawrence]

> > I downloaded  perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm
> > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/5/perl-Video-DVDRip/perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm
> > But unfortunately:
> > "Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by
> > package perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is
> > needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip
> > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by package
> > perl-Video-DVDRip"
> >
> > How to uppdate my Fedora Core 5 for these dependencies?  Sorry for the
> > probably stupid question, but I am a newbie ...
>
> I cannot help you there.  I use FC4.
>
> I used yum to install DVDRip which I guess met the requirements
> automatically.  I have a perl-Event-RPC that is built by Dries installed
> on my system.
>
> I also have perl-Event from Dries as well as perl-Frontier-RPC from RedHat.
> This is where yum works so well as long as you have the repositories setup.

yum localinstall perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm

should pull all the dependencies for you ...

[Heikki Pesonen]

Unfortunately even that mystical "yum" stops in:
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by
package perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is
needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by
package perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package
perl-Video-DVDRip
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by
package perl-Video-DVDRip
[root@localhost Desktop]#

By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and Fedora" by
Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has mentioned there.
"Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody speaks about it, everybody
else than I seems to be making it, but where to find information easy to
understand?

[Ric Moore]

On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 08:38 +0300, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and
> Fedora" by Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has
> mentioned there.  "Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody
> speaks about it, everybody else than I seems to be making it, but
> where to find information easy to understand?

Now there's a guy I can relate to! Ric

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Friday 04 August 2006 07:38, Heikki Pesonen wrote:

[snip]
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by
> package perl-Video-DVDRip
> [root@localhost Desktop]#

You have dependencies yum was not able to resolve. Did you invoke it with

# yum install dvdrip

or in some other way? Do you have (for example) Livna repository enabled and 
functioning?
> By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and Fedora" by
> Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has mentioned there.
> "Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody speaks about it, everybody
> else than I seems to be making it, but where to find information easy to
> understand?

There is not much to it, really.

$ man yum
$ man yum.conf

In short, yum is a program that communicates with on-line 
"repositories" (servers that support yum and have multitude of rpm's packaged 
for our beloved FC; aside from the default ones I can recommend 
www.livna.org) and their mirrors, in order to do a multitude of things, but 
most frequently download rpm files, resolve their dependencies, download the 
dependencies and install all that to your machine.

It is generally extremely easy to use, provided that (a) you have enough 
bandwidth for downloading things and (b) you have it configured correctly. If 
you have anything better then a 56kbps modem, you have (a) satisfied. 
However, in order to satisfy (b) you have to be aware of several facts, like 
what repositories you use/want to use, what mirror is nearest to you, do you 
have to use proxy and how to configure it, etc.

Once you have it working, the only thing you need to know is the name of the 
package you want to install, and you can get some idea about it using google, 
this list or partial-guessing, like

$ yum list packagenam*

or such. There seem to be problems now and then about mixing repositories (two 
different repos providing the same package, but being 'out of sync', meaning 
that one repo is not aware that there is a newer version of the package out 
there, AFAIU), but that goes away with time. Also, I have enabled only base, 
extras, updates-released and Livna, and never ever needed anything else.

That's it. I installed dvdrip and xine to my fresh FC4 a year ago simply by 
typing

# yum install dvdrip
# yum install xine

and yum took care of "the dependency hell", downloaded everything, and 
installed it.

I like to start it from the command-line (never used any GUI) and even spend 
some time simply watching it work. ;-)

All in all, I guess Seth Vidal is doing great job... :-)

Best regards, :-)
Marko

[Martin Marques]

Try installing perl-Event-RPC and perl-Event first. Don't know why yum 
doesn't find it. Anyway, I don't use yum, it kinda sucks.

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Heikki Pesonen wrote:
> Unfortunately even that mystical "yum" stops in:
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by
> package perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is
> needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by
> package perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package
> perl-Video-DVDRip
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by
> package perl-Video-DVDRip
> [root@localhost Desktop]#
>
> By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and Fedora" by
> Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has mentioned there.
> "Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody speaks about it, everybody
> else than I seems to be making it, but where to find information easy to
> understand?

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[Heikki Pesonen]

Many thanks to Marko and Martin! I try to apply the information I received a
bit later.