updates & time

[Raghavendra Moktali]

hello,

i have just installed fc3 on an thinkpad r51 and a desktop machine.
the version is 2.6.9-1.667, from dvd
During the installations, i have selected everything to be installed.

Please let me your experience of the following. this is my first install 
  and upgrade.

a. how long this might take on the thinkpad with the folloing spec. 
centrino 1.5Ghz,768mb pc2700 ram, via a network with download speed 
       of about 45kbps using up2date or yum. i have to plan for the 
required time at a cafe or some other place as i am on dialup.

b. is it possible to just download the updates to a folder and use them 
to update all machines and if so how? this would make more sense in case 
of multiple machines.

thank you for your time
raghavendra

[Paul Howarth]

Raghavendra Moktali wrote:
>  hello,
>  
>  i have just installed fc3 on an thinkpad r51 and a desktop machine.
>  the version is 2.6.9-1.667, from dvd
>  During the installations, i have selected everything to be installed.
>  
>  Please let me your experience of the following. this is my first install 
>   and upgrade.
>  
>  a. how long this might take on the thinkpad with the folloing spec. 
>  centrino 1.5Ghz,768mb pc2700 ram, via a network with download speed 
>        of about 45kbps using up2date or yum. i have to plan for the 
>  required time at a cafe or some other place as i am on dialup. 
The current size of the i386 updates directory for FC3 is around 1.7GB, 
though that includes multiple versions of some packages, so you wouldn't 
need the older updates. Let's say it comes to around 1GB after removing 
duplicates. That would take nearly 50 hours to download at 45kbps.

>  b. is it possible to just download the updates to a folder and use
> them 
>  to update all machines and if so how? this would make more sense in case 
>  of multiple machines. 
Move the kernel updates into a separate folder. In the folder with the 
other updates, do:
# rpm -Fvh *.rpm

In the folder containing the kernel updates, install the latest kernel 
package:
# rpm -ivh kernel...whatever...rpm

Paul.

[Raghavendra Moktali]

Paul Howarth wrote:
>  Raghavendra Moktali wrote: 
>  The current size of the i386 updates directory for FC3 is around
> 1.7GB, 
>  though that includes multiple versions of some packages, so you wouldn't 
>  need the older updates. Let's say it comes to around 1GB after removing 
>  duplicates. That would take nearly 50 hours to download at 45kbps. 
how does a user on dial up manage this? looks line this thing is forcing 
me to get a dsl connection

just upgraded only the kernel to 2.6.10 xxxx via dsl nerwork @ abt 
50Kbps. took abt 1 hr including the initial setup at a friends place.

it also broke my fragile 14.4 modem connection at home :( using 
linmodem's trial hsf rpm. now my modem is not found. have to look into it.

>  
> > b. is it possible to just download the updates to a folder and use 
> > them to update all machines and if so how? this would make more sense 
> > in case of multiple machines. 
>  
>  Move the kernel updates into a separate folder. In the folder with the 
>  other updates, do:
>  # rpm -Fvh *.rpm 
up2date applied them after the download finished.
>  
>  In the folder containing the kernel updates, install the latest kernel 
>  package:
>  # rpm -ivh kernel...whatever...rpm
>  
>  Paul.
>  thanks again ... 
-- 
rm

[James Wilkinson]

Paul Howarth wrote:
>  The current size of the i386 updates directory for FC3 is around
> 1.7GB, 
>  though that includes multiple versions of some packages, so you wouldn't 
>  need the older updates. Let's say it comes to around 1GB after removing 
>  duplicates. That would take nearly 50 hours to download at 45kbps. 
Raghavendra Moktali wrote:
>  how does a user on dial up manage this? looks line this thing is
> forcing 
>  me to get a dsl connection 
With difficulty.

With a subscription to fedora-announce-list, looking at the [SECURITY]
tag, knowing what you're running, and working out which updates you do
need. (If you use XEmacs and note that there is a movemail format
vulnerability, you might note that you're only vulnerable if you use
XEmacs to connect to a malicious POP server. If you don't use that, or
you can be sure your POP server and the connection to it is safe, why
bother upgrading?)

With a good firewall.

With something like
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/compilations/#pid52847
or a friend with a fast Internet connection.

I was there for a long time. And I'm glad I'm still not there, but it is
possible.

I suppose there might be a market for a repository only containing
security updates, too.

James.
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