Can RedHat buy the old Swing from AOL for gcj ?

[Freddy BL]

Hi!

I have red, that RedHat have buyd the Netscape Enterprise Services from AOL.

But is it possible, that RedHat buy also the rights of the old 
Swing-implementation from AOL?

In times, where only AWT for Java exists, Netscape have created the 
"Internet Foundation Classes" (IFC) with its own widgets.
Sun saw, that this was good and created with Netscape together from ground 
up new the follower of the IFC: the "Java Foundation Classes" (JFC), which 
includes Swing.

In Java2 the JFC are integrated and Sun have developed further Swing.
But on the old Swing Sun and Netscape have had _together_ the rights.

So, is it possible, to buy the rights of the old Swing from AOL?
Because I think, that the old Swing-implementation is still _a lot_ of 
better then the actual implementation of the GNU Classpath Swing.

Greatings
Freddy

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[Andrey Andreev]

Freddy BL wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have red, that RedHat have buyd the Netscape Enterprise Services from 
> AOL.

[snip]
> So, is it possible, to buy the rights of the old Swing from AOL?
> Because I think, that the old Swing-implementation is still _a lot_ of 
> better then the actual implementation of the GNU Classpath Swing.

I do not want to start a flamewar here, but Swing is nice but slow. And 
I don't think the "old Swing" would really be all that great, given its 
age, I'm doubtful it would be compatible with anything. I was thinking, 
is not the SWT from IBM free (as in source)? I couldn't find the license 
(didn't look too hard), and I don't really read lawyer-speak very well, 
so I'm hoping someone here saves me some digging, if they already know. :)

//Andro

[Jim Higson]

On Friday 01 Oct 2004 14:12, Andrey Andreev wrote:
> Freddy BL wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have red, that RedHat have buyd the Netscape Enterprise Services from
> > AOL.
>
> [snip]
> > So, is it possible, to buy the rights of the old Swing from AOL?
> > Because I think, that the old Swing-implementation is still _a lot_ of
> > better then the actual implementation of the GNU Classpath Swing.
>
> I do not want to start a flamewar here, but Swing is nice but slow.

There are quite a few optimisations in Java 1.5, for example improved JIT and 
the OpenGL implementation of Java2D. Swing might not be as slow as you 
remember.

Of course that can't be included in a distro though and Sun's distribution of 
Java for Linux isn't up to much. Shame really.
> And 
> I don't think the "old Swing" would really be all that great, given its
> age, I'm doubtful it would be compatible with anything. I was thinking,
> is not the SWT from IBM free (as in source)? I couldn't find the license
> (didn't look too hard), and I don't really read lawyer-speak very well,
> so I'm hoping someone here saves me some digging, if they already know. :)
>
> //Andro
>
> --
> Andrey Andreev
> University of Helsinki
> Dept. of Computer Science