Suggestion:
May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
to something more concise ?
thanks.
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:49:30 -0500 Mail Lists wrote:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
They just spent years building a giant committee that changed the name from something concise to this new and improved description. The only way you could get it changed again is with an ever bigger new committee that would doubtless come up with an even more gigantic description :-).
On Tuesday 29 December 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:49:30 -0500
Mail Lists wrote:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
They just spent years building a giant committee that changed the name from something concise to this new and improved description. The only way you could get it changed again is with an ever bigger new committee that would doubtless come up with an even more gigantic description :-).
You got it precisely Tom, I'm ROTFLMAO!
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mail Lists lists@sapience.com wrote:
Suggestion:
May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
to something more concise ?
thanks.
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There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: "this is what the fedora user list is for."
~af
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: "this is what the fedora user list is for."
That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it.
On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: "this is what the fedora user list is for."
That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it.
It's not all that uncommon.
I've seen more than a few posts to this list that were also posted to:
Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 05:08 -0400, Steven Susbauer wrote:
On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea 0052b2a6-0010ist name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: "this is what the fedora user list is for."
That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it.
It's not all that uncommon.
I've seen more than a few posts to this list that were also posted to:
Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Mea culpa, I set this field in 2008.
According to Mailman, that is the "Description" field (described as a "Terse phrase identifying the list"). The actual *name* of the list is "fedora-list". The name and description appear side-by-side at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo
This change followed a discussion about list quality (among other things, no one was registered as list-owner at the time, and the purpose/scope of the list was not clearly defined). We also wanted a lightweight way to remind people that messages on the lists didn't necessarily convey the official position of the Project, without doing something stupid like attaching boilerplate text to the end of each message.
Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal.
-Chris
Chris Tyler wrote:
Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal.
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. It just doesn't seem important enough nor terribly on-topic. With over 6,500 subscribers and a high number of messages per day, keeping the list focused on helping folks better use Fedora is more important that debating the minutiae of list settings, which has a very high potential for bikeshedding. :)
I believe the original message should have been directed to the list owner address, as with all other such "administrivia" messages. But that's just my opinion.
2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
My 2p
"Fedora Users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org
-- Sam
Sam Sharpe wrote:
2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
My 2p
"Fedora Users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org
I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-)
I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-)
--
No sir! You shall not be disqualified! :) You are subscribed to the list and therefore you should be allowed to post :)
And by the way, even if you run Fedora virtually, you are still running Fedora :)
Happy New Year!
Regards,
Antonio
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 08:34 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Sam Sharpe wrote:
2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
My 2p
"Fedora Users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org
I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-)
Sorry to break it to you Ed, but you are a Fedora user, just as I am a Windows user.
poc
On 30/12/09 23:48, Sam Sharpe wrote:
2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
My 2p
"Fedora Users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org
-- Sam
"This is not the Ubuntu list"
:D
Hi;
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 22:51 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
Geez Patrick, would I still be able to get community assistance, encouragement and advice for using Fedora? I would particularly miss the encouragement.
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 20:06 -0500, William Case wrote:
Hi;
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 22:51 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it.
My 2c: The Fedora users list
Geez Patrick, would I still be able to get community assistance, encouragement and advice for using Fedora? I would particularly miss the encouragement.
<insert witty riposte>
poc
Mail Lists wrote:
On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
I'd suggest something like: "Fedora Users"
Or perhaps: "Fedora General"
Too non-specific . :-)
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:18:07 -0500, Mail Lists wrote:
On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
I'd suggest something like: "Fedora Users"
Or perhaps: "Fedora General"
Fwiw, that's what Gmane calls it. (Well, really gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general -- but that's the part that Pan shows when set to abbreviate names: g.l.r.fedora.general) It's good enough for those of us who participate via Gmane.
On 09-12-30 18:27:53, Mail Lists wrote:
On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal.
I'd suggest something like: "Fedora Users"
Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The current"name" is wordy and wraps too often.
"Community assistance for using Fedora."
Hi;
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:54 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote:
On 09-12-30 18:27:53, Mail Lists wrote:
On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal.
I'd suggest something like: "Fedora Users"
Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The current"name" is wordy and wraps too often.
"Community assistance for using Fedora."
Then change the name of the developers' list.
"Only for developers working on Fedora"
Mail Lists:
I'd suggest something like: "Fedora Users"
Tony Nelson:
Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The current"name" is wordy and wraps too often.
And that wrapping has been known to cause problems with some clients, in the past. One way or another (e.g. it's not seen past the wrap).
"Community assistance for using Fedora."
I think the obvious is escaping people's attention. It's a description on a web page that tells people what list to use. A new user isn't very likely to join the list by accidentally finding an email in a search engine, they'll find a web page. The text written on the page needs to provide the information, the naming text next to an email address just needs to be sensible in your mail client. The two don't have to be the same.
Quoting Mail Lists lists@sapience.com:
Suggestion:
May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
to something more concise ?
thanks.
I dunno, I don't have to retype this so as long as it makes sense I not only have no objection but I think the explicitness makes it desirable for the many list subscribers who do not have English as their first language.
Dave
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Dave Stevens wrote:
Quoting Mail Lists lists@sapience.com:
Suggestion:
May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
to something more concise ?
thanks.
I dunno, I don't have to retype this so as long as it makes sense I not only have no objection but I think the explicitness makes it desirable for the many list subscribers who do not have English as their first language.
While I have no objection to the current name I just thought I'd mention that your explanation doesn't wash. At least not when it comes to my wife, whose first language is Mandarin. :-)
Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 12:49 -0500 schrieb Mail Lists:
May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:
"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
to something more concise ?
BTW: May I suggest *you* change *your* name from the current meaningless
"Mail Lists"
to something more concise? ;)
thanks.
Happy new year, Christoph
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