24 hour time in Thunderbird -

[Bob Goodwin]

Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
email "Date?"

I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
useful [to me] information!

I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...

Bob Goodwin

[David]

on 6/26/2007 10:18 AM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> email "Date?"
>
> I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> useful [to me] information!
>
> I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
>
> Bob Goodwin

Look at the TB extension named ConfigDate.

Also: The 'button' on the far right of line allows you to set what is in
the line.

Do you know that the size of the chosen display areas is drag left/right
adjustable?

[Bob Goodwin]

David Boles wrote:
> on 6/26/2007 10:18 AM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> > email "Date?"
> >
> > I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> > useful [to me] information!
> >
> > I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
> >
> > Bob Goodwin
>
> Look at the TB extension named ConfigDate.
>
> Also: The 'button' on the far right of line allows you to set what is in
> the line.
>
> Do you know that the size of the chosen display areas is drag left/right
> adjustable?

Yes, I am quite familiar with Thunderbird and the configuration 
options.  But I have always had a problem with the tiny scroll point on 
the scroll bar and the need for 24 hour listing of time.

I have spent considerable time playing with about:config in Firefox and 
Preferences - Advanced - Advanced Configuration - Config Editor in 
Thunderbird to no avail.

I will look at "ConfigDate."  Thank you.

Bob Goodwin

[Konstantin Svist]

David Boles wrote:
> on 6/26/2007 10:18 AM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> > email "Date?"
> >
> > I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> > useful [to me] information!
> >
> > I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
> >
> > Bob Goodwin
>
> Look at the TB extension named ConfigDate.
>
> Also: The 'button' on the far right of line allows you to set what is in
> the line.
>
> Do you know that the size of the chosen display areas is drag left/right
> adjustable?

Doesn't seem to work in TB 2.0.0.4 (don't remember if it worked ever). 
The extension preference window shows sample time in 24hr format, but on 
the messages the time is in 12hr format, still.

[Bob Goodwin]

David Boles wrote:
> on 6/26/2007 10:18 AM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> > email "Date?"
> >
> > I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> > useful [to me] information!
> >
> > I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
> >
> > Bob Goodwin
>
> Look at the TB extension named ConfigDate.
>
> Also: The 'button' on the far right of line allows you to set what is in
> the line.
>
> Do you know that the size of the chosen display areas is drag left/right
> adjustable?

ConfigDate is nice in that it shows the time of origination with 24 hour 
time and an offset such as -0400 in the header but it still doesn't fix 
the dumb AM/PM in the message listing which remains in 12 hour time.

There must be a way to change that since most places in the world do not 
use that form of time notation?

Anyway I like the extension ...

Bob Goodwin

[David]

on 6/26/2007 3:23 PM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
> > on 6/26/2007 10:18 AM, Bob Goodwin - W2BOD wrote:
> > > Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> > > email "Date?"
> > >
> > > I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> > > useful [to me] information!
> > >
> > > I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
> > >
> > > Bob Goodwin
> >
> > Look at the TB extension named ConfigDate.
> >
> > Also: The 'button' on the far right of line allows you to set what is in
> > the line.
> >
> > Do you know that the size of the chosen display areas is drag left/right
> > adjustable?
>
> ConfigDate is nice in that it shows the time of origination with 24 hour 
> time and an offset such as -0400 in the header but it still doesn't fix 
> the dumb AM/PM in the message listing which remains in 12 hour time.
>
> There must be a way to change that since most places in the world do not 
> use that form of time notation?
>
> Anyway I like the extension ...
>
> Bob Goodwin

Sorry that this does not do what you need. I did not see anything about
what you are describing. There is a Thunderbird list, like this one, and a
TBird forum. You might ask there. If it can not be done you could put a
RFE in the Mozilla Bugzilla asking for this.

[Sjoerd Mullender]

On 27-06-07 02:26, David Boles wrote:

[Andreas M. Kirchwitz]

Bob Goodwin - W2BOD  wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> email "Date?"
>
> I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> useful [to me] information!
>
> I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...

It depends on your locale settings how applications from Mozilla.org
(Firefox, Thunderbird etc.) display the date. If you prefer ISO-8601
format, use the special locale named "en_DK". For example, UTF-8
users may set "LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8; export LC_TIME" before running
Mozilla.org applications. If you only want to change date format
in Thunderbird I'd recommend a shell alias or a small wrapper script.

See also http://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format for further
details. (You'll find a lot of cool tips & tricks in MozillaZine.)

Hope it helps ... Andreas

[Konstantin Svist]

That's not a very good approach...
I'm using the en_US locale, but always customize my clock output to 
display in 24hr format. KDE allows me to do this.
I don't really like how Thunderbird thinks it's smarter than I.

Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:
> Bob Goodwin - W2BOD  wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to get Thunderbird to use 24 hour time when listing 
> > email "Date?"
> >
> > I use a large font and need the space that the stupid AM/PM takes for 
> > useful [to me] information!
> >
> > I know this is may not be a Fedora question but ...
>
> It depends on your locale settings how applications from Mozilla.org
> (Firefox, Thunderbird etc.) display the date. If you prefer ISO-8601
> format, use the special locale named "en_DK". For example, UTF-8
> users may set "LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8; export LC_TIME" before running
> Mozilla.org applications. If you only want to change date format
> in Thunderbird I'd recommend a shell alias or a small wrapper script.
>
> See also http://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format for further
> details. (You'll find a lot of cool tips & tricks in MozillaZine.)
>
> Hope it helps ... Andreas

Date and time issues (Was: 24 hour time in Thunderbird)

[Ingemar Nilsson]

Hi.

After reading the thread about 24 hour time in Thunderbird, I decided to
make some experiments with date and time formats. I have wished for a long
time to set the date format to use ISO-8601 and to use a 24 hour clock, but
how to do this hasn't been obvious.

I started by running Thunderbird with LC_TIME set to sv_SE.utf8, and sure,
it showed date and time in the expected format. I then figured I'd check
'ls -l'. I was (very) surprised to see that ls -l now gives the date in
ISO-8601 format, even though my LANG has the value
'en_US.UTF-8'. Substituting US for UK changed to the traditional format.

Why does LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 give american date/time format in Thunderbird,
but ISO-8601 format in 'ls -l'? And the same applies to sv_SE.UTF-8, which
gives ISO-8601 format in Thunderbird, but another format in 'ls -l'. I'm
really lost here.

This computer runs Fedora 7 with all updates up to today's batch. My
physical locale is Sweden, with a Swedish keyboard, but my system language
is English (which I wish to keep).

$ env | egrep '(LANG|LC)'
LANG=en_US.UTF-8

Regards
Ingemar

Date and time issues (Was: 24 hour time in Thunderbird)

[Robin Laing]

Ingemar Nilsson wrote:
> Hi.
>
> After reading the thread about 24 hour time in Thunderbird, I decided to
> make some experiments with date and time formats. I have wished for a long
> time to set the date format to use ISO-8601 and to use a 24 hour clock, but
> how to do this hasn't been obvious.
>
> I started by running Thunderbird with LC_TIME set to sv_SE.utf8, and sure,
> it showed date and time in the expected format. I then figured I'd check
> 'ls -l'. I was (very) surprised to see that ls -l now gives the date in
> ISO-8601 format, even though my LANG has the value
> 'en_US.UTF-8'. Substituting US for UK changed to the traditional format.
>
> Why does LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 give american date/time format in Thunderbird,
> but ISO-8601 format in 'ls -l'? And the same applies to sv_SE.UTF-8, which
> gives ISO-8601 format in Thunderbird, but another format in 'ls -l'. I'm
> really lost here.
>
> This computer runs Fedora 7 with all updates up to today's batch. My
> physical locale is Sweden, with a Swedish keyboard, but my system language
> is English (which I wish to keep).
>
> $ env | egrep '(LANG|LC)'
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>
> Regards
> Ingemar

Like you I want my system to display ISO-8601 date formats as a default. 
  Even those applications that grab the date format from the "system" date.

I was surprised that F7 shows "ls -l" as ISO format by default.  Not 
related to the LANG variable from what I have seen.

As for changing the date format, I have not had much success and I have 
made a request for a tool to do such.  It would be nice if there was a 
TZ file for US-ISO.  Or better yet, a tool to create a custom TZ file 
from what the user wants to use.