I've given my son an mp3 player for Christmas and of course I would like him to be able to rip his CDs to mp3 files using Sound Juicer on his computer not mine.
Yes I know that you can also get portable Ogg Vorbis players. I saw some at Staples this afternoon. Unfortunately they're more than double the price of the MP3 player I bought together with a 1G memory card.
On my computer which is running FC3 I can rip to mp3 just fine, using the notes I compiled from the results of a couple of google searches:-
<MP3NOTES> 1) Put the following into /etc/yum.repos.d/Freshrpms.repo (might need to change the first line to reflect the FC issue number:-
[freshrpms-fc-3] name=Fedora Project $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms
2) Import the GPG key:-
rpm --import http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/yum/RPM-GPG-KEY-freshrpms
3) Install the plugins:-
yum install gstreamer-plugins-extra-audio
Now it should work!
Also might need to use yum install xmms-mp3 to get this working too. </MP3NOTES>
I tried doing the same on his computer which is running FC4(replacing [freshrpms-fc-3] with [freshrpms-fc-4]). Everything seems to install OK but there is no mp3 option to select in the version 2.10.1 sound juicer on FC4. My FC3 installation has sound juicer version 0.5.14.
Now my first question:- Has the mp3 selection been deliberately compiled out of version 2.10.1 to prevent users ripping to mp3 at all even though the plug-in is available elsewhere?
Second question:- If this is so, is it being put back into FC5?
Something I found out this morning is that if I insert an audio CD and let it mount, I can then open it using Konqueror and browse to various folders, one of which is called "mp3", containing objects which when dragged to the hard drive causes Konqueror to rip tracks from the CD to mp3 files. Very nice, I thought.
This operation can be configured using the Sound & Multimedia - Audio CDs section of the KDE Control Centre.
Now my third question:- I cannot find the Audio CDs section in the Control Centre on the FC4 machine, and the same audio CD won't mount. Is it supposed to be there? If it is supposed to be there, the only explanation I can think of is that perhaps the CD drive in this machine is an old one that does not support some required functionality? If this is possible, can anybody please suggest the age at which a CD drive might be too old? I can always go out to the shops and buy a new one, but I'd like to feel reasonably sure that I'm spending the money for a good reason.
Finally, something else I tried was to yum remove sound-juicer from FC4, and replace it using an FC3 rpm from one of the mirrors. I also had to replace a couple of libraries using rpms from the same place to get it to install. That version under FC4 gave an error message. I can't remember the exact error message but it was something to do with not being able to access the CD drive, and a google search indicated that cdparanoia might be implicated in this problem. At this point I thought sod it and just put the FC4 machine back as it was.
But is there any possibility that cdparanoia was simply getting upset about the CD drive itself, for the same reason that Audio CDs doesn't show up in the Control Centre?
Many thanks to anybody who reads all this, and many many thanks to anybody who can help.
Dave Fletcher
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:39 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
I've given my son an mp3 player for Christmas and of course I would like him to be able to rip his CDs to mp3 files using Sound Juicer on his computer not mine.
[snip]
<MP3NOTES> 1) Put the following into /etc/yum.repos.d/Freshrpms.repo (might need to change the first line to reflect the FC issue number:-
Import the GPG key:-
Install the plugins:-
yum install gstreamer-plugins-extra-audio
Now it should work!
You're missing a fourth step, found in the Sound Juicer documentation. I went through this yesterday because I got an mp3 player for Christmas.
From the docs:
If you need to store tracks in the MP3 format (for example, because your portable music player only supports MP3 and not Ogg Vorbis), you will need to create a new profile. To do this, run gnome-audio-profiles-properties, press New and name it MP3. Then press Edit and set GStreamer Pipeline to audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc, the File Extenstion to mp3, and check Active. Then start Sound Juicer and select the MP3 format.
This profile uses the LAME MP3 encoder, so you will need to have the GStreamer LAME plugin installed.
Dan
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:39 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
I tried doing the same on his computer which is running FC4(replacing [freshrpms-fc-3] with [freshrpms-fc-4]). Everything seems to install OK but there is no mp3 option to select in the version 2.10.1 sound juicer on FC4.
Hmm... - I don't have an mp3 rip option in FC4 sound juicer either (using the rpm.livna.org mp3 plugins) - sounds like a bug in sound-juicer.
My honest suggestion though is to rip to flac and then transcode to mp3. That's what I do, though I do it all cli.
Ripping to flac means you never have to re-rip again if you want a different bitrate (or a different encoding). Uses a lot of disk space though.
I don't know if a gui front end exists for transcoding (that preserves tags).
Another suggestion is a KDE app - amarok
I prefer gnome myself, and I like to keep my gui consistent, but there is just nothing that even comes close to amarok that is gnome/gtk2+
amarok is in Extras. I believe it not only will rip to mp3 just fine (provided the gstreamer mp3 plugins are installed) but will also sync with the iPod as well.
On Thursday 29 December 2005 19:39, David Fletcher wrote: <snip most of the question. Oops> it was roughly: how do i make sound-juicer rip to mp3 format
<smartarse moment> google would have done this for you as well this time. The search term you want is basically sound-juicer +"Fedora Core 4" +mp3 </smartarse moment>
but in the interests of the archives, what you need to do is create a gstreamer audio profile, as described here:
http://paul.frields.org/?page_id=524
simply: gnome-audio-profiles-properties create new profile - I called mine CD Quality Custom then edit it. after a bit of messing about (and a bit of swearing) I came up with this:
Profile Name: mp3 Profile Description: rip to mp3 GStreamer Pipeline: audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc File Extension: mp3
now your new option should appear in the sound-juicer preferences
Now my third question:- I cannot find the Audio CDs section in the Control Centre on the FC4 machine, and the same audio CD won't mount.
Audio CDs never *actually* mount as they do not contain a filesystem. konqueror 3.5 (KDE packages from kde-redhat: http://kde-redhat.sf.net ) still works this way for me. It may have been removed from the packages in FC4 or you may have to install one of the kde 'extra' packages e.g kdeaddons, kdeutils etc. try installing those two and see if it comes back...
Regards
Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCE RHCX Registered Linux User #284465 They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid!
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 14:04 -0700, Dan Hensley wrote:
If you need to store tracks in the MP3 format (for example, because your portable music player only supports MP3 and not Ogg Vorbis), you will need to create a new profile. To do this, run gnome-audio-profiles-properties, press New and name it MP3. Then press Edit and set GStreamer Pipeline to audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc, the File Extenstion to mp3, and check Active. Then start Sound Juicer and select the MP3 format.
This profile uses the LAME MP3 encoder, so you will need to have the GStreamer LAME plugin installed.
Yuck. I just looked at that - it's not a user friendly way to do things. Looked at the ogg example - Quality should be selectable from a menu, etc. So should sample rate (some of my source wav files are 48KHz not 44.1KHz) etc.
Looks like the gnome-audio-profiles-properties method would require setting up a profile for each possibility.
On Thursday 29 December 2005 21:34, Michael A. Peters wrote:
Yuck. I just looked at that - it's not a user friendly way to do things. Looked at the ogg example - Quality should be selectable from a menu, etc. So should sample rate (some of my source wav files are 48KHz not 44.1KHz) etc.
Looks like the gnome-audio-profiles-properties method would require setting up a profile for each possibility.
it does. <unnecessary dig at GNOME> it's another way in which the GNOME developer are making the desktop less complicated to use... </unnecessary dig at GNOME>
oh and </sarcasm too>
:)
Regards and Happy New Year!
Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCE RHCX Registered Linux User #284465 They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid!
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:55 -0700, Dan Hensley wrote:
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:39 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
I've given my son an mp3 player for Christmas and of course I would like him to be able to rip his CDs to mp3 files using Sound Juicer on his computer not mine.
[snip]
<MP3NOTES> 1) Put the following into /etc/yum.repos.d/Freshrpms.repo (might need to change the first line to reflect the FC issue number:-
Import the GPG key:-
Install the plugins:-
yum install gstreamer-plugins-extra-audio
Now it should work!
You're missing a fourth step, found in the Sound Juicer documentation. I went through this yesterday because I got an mp3 player for Christmas.
From the docs:
If you need to store tracks in the MP3 format (for example, because your portable music player only supports MP3 and not Ogg Vorbis), you will need to create a new profile. To do this, run gnome-audio-profiles-properties, press New and name it MP3. Then press Edit and set GStreamer Pipeline to audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc, the File Extenstion to mp3, and check Active. Then start Sound Juicer and select the MP3 format.
This profile uses the LAME MP3 encoder, so you will need to have the GStreamer LAME plugin installed.
Dan
Excellent! Should be a faq or added to the FC knowledge base/tips and tricks, etc. if it's not there already.
Thanks everybody for all the excellent advice. Sound Juicer is now ripping to mp3 files on the FC4 machine.
Just for the archive, here's an updated version of my notes:-
<MP3NOTES> 1) Put the following into /etc/yum.repos.d/Freshrpms.repo (might need to change the first line to reflect the FC issue number:-
[freshrpms-fc-3] name=Fedora Project $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms
2) Import the GPG key:-
rpm --import http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/yum/RPM-GPG-KEY-freshrpms
3) Install the plugins:-
yum install gstreamer-plugins-extra-audio
4) Add an mp3 profile (if required - check first!) Extract from email reply from the Fedora Core list:-
<extract> If you need to store tracks in the MP3 format (for example, because your portable music player only supports MP3 and not Ogg Vorbis), you will need to create a new profile. To do this:- run gnome-audio-profiles-properties press New and name it MP3. Then press Edit and set GStreamer Pipeline to audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc or maybe audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc preset=1002 the File Extenstion to mp3 and check Active.
Then start Sound Juicer and select the MP3 format. </extract>
5) Make sure all the required gstreamer stuff is installed:-
[dave@boss ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-0.8.7-4.FC3.0 gstreamer-plugins-0.8.5-1 gstreamer-plugins-extra-audio-0.8.6-2.1.fc3.fr [dave@boss ~]$
Now it should work!
Notes on setting up the gstreamer profiles:- http://paul.frields.org/?page_id=524
Also might need to use yum install xmms-mp3 to get this working too. </MP3NOTES>
Michael A. Peters wrote:
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:39 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
I tried doing the same on his computer which is running FC4(replacing [freshrpms-fc-3] with [freshrpms-fc-4]). Everything seems to install OK but there is no mp3 option to select in the version 2.10.1 sound juicer on FC4.
Hmm... - I don't have an mp3 rip option in FC4 sound juicer either (using the rpm.livna.org mp3 plugins) - sounds like a bug in sound-juicer.
My honest suggestion though is to rip to flac and then transcode to mp3. That's what I do, though I do it all cli.
Ripping to flac means you never have to re-rip again if you want a different bitrate (or a different encoding). Uses a lot of disk space though.
I don't know if a gui front end exists for transcoding (that preserves tags).
Another suggestion is a KDE app - amarok
I prefer gnome myself, and I like to keep my gui consistent, but there is just nothing that even comes close to amarok that is gnome/gtk2+
amarok is in Extras. I believe it not only will rip to mp3 just fine (provided the gstreamer mp3 plugins are installed) but will also sync with the iPod as well.
I use "grip"(extras) to rip CD's to flac format. This is easy and I did about 50 over the weekend. I use flac as it is lossless and provides a method to recreate any CD that the kids may want for their players.
Then when there is a song that I want to put on my portable player (supports mp3/wma/ogg) I use "sound converter"(extras?) to convert the files that I want converted into a mirror of my player. I then use "Unison"(dries) to update the player, which mounts as a usb device to my preferred list.
All of this is done in gnome. I needed something easy for my wife to use.
With the correct plugins, grip can rip to mp3 from a drop-down menu.
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Robin Laing wrote: | Michael A. Peters wrote: | |> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:39 +0000, David Fletcher wrote: |> |> |>> I tried doing the same on his computer which is running FC4(replacing |>> [freshrpms-fc-3] with [freshrpms-fc-4]). Everything seems to install |>> OK but there is no mp3 option to select in the version 2.10.1 sound |>> juicer on FC4. |> |> |> |> Hmm... - I don't have an mp3 rip option in FC4 sound juicer either |> (using the rpm.livna.org mp3 plugins) - sounds like a bug in |> sound-juicer. |> |> My honest suggestion though is to rip to flac and then transcode to mp3. |> That's what I do, though I do it all cli. |> |> Ripping to flac means you never have to re-rip again if you want a |> different bitrate (or a different encoding). Uses a lot of disk space |> though. |> |> I don't know if a gui front end exists for transcoding (that preserves |> tags). |> |> Another suggestion is a KDE app - amarok |> |> I prefer gnome myself, and I like to keep my gui consistent, but there |> is just nothing that even comes close to amarok that is gnome/gtk2+ |> |> amarok is in Extras. |> I believe it not only will rip to mp3 just fine (provided the gstreamer |> mp3 plugins are installed) but will also sync with the iPod as well. |> |> |> | | I use "grip"(extras) to rip CD's to flac format. This is easy and I did | about 50 over the weekend. I use flac as it is lossless and provides a | method to recreate any CD that the kids may want for their players. | | Then when there is a song that I want to put on my portable player | (supports mp3/wma/ogg) I use "sound converter"(extras?) to convert the | files that I want converted into a mirror of my player. I then use | "Unison"(dries) to update the player, which mounts as a usb device to my | preferred list. | | All of this is done in gnome. I needed something easy for my wife to use. | | With the correct plugins, grip can rip to mp3 from a drop-down menu. | Hi there, I use Sound Juices. After having done the modifications described in the help docs and added the extra required software it works nicely.
Fortunately, as I am unable to get Amarok to recognize my cd/dvd player.
Regards, Truls
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