libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]

[Petrus de Calguarium]

I read that rpmfusion, formerly livna, will no longer provide libdvdcss. I have always religiously installed it.

Does this mean that it will no longer be possible to play DVDs in Fedora? I don't rip or copy DVDs, just watch them, so would I actually need libdvdcss?

Do other programs now provide the functionality formerly provided by libdvdcss?

[Rex Dieter]

kwhiskerz wrote:
> I read that rpmfusion, formerly livna, will no longer provide libdvdcss. I
> have always religiously installed it.
>
> Does this mean that it will no longer be possible to play DVDs in Fedora?
> I don't rip or copy DVDs, just watch them, so would I actually need
> libdvdcss?

Yes, you would still need it, but you'd need to get it elsewhere.

-- Rex

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[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 18:17 +0400, isad ilexa17 wrote:
> Well, I dicided tk buy a new notebook - ThinkPad 7762J7G.
> Does anyone have it?
> Is it possible to run Fedora on it?

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[Petrus de Calguarium]

Rex Dieter wrote:
> Yes, you would still need it, but you'd need to get it elsewhere.

I thought that's what the nonfree repo is for! So, will there be another nonfree repo, or will there still be a livna apart from rpmfusion?

[Rex Dieter]

kwhiskerz wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Yes, you would still need it, but you'd need to get it elsewhere.
>
> I thought that's what the nonfree repo is for! So, will there be another
> nonfree repo, or will there still be a livna apart from rpmfusion?

The current recommendations are to get it from those still willing to risk
distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)

-- Rex

[Ranbir]

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> The current recommendations are to get it from those still willing to risk
> distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)

Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora desktop pretty
damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot of newbs, not to
mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.

What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't get libdvdcss at all
- how would we watch DVDs then?

Regards,

Ranbir

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu  wrote:
> From: Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu 
> Subject: Re: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:03 PM
> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > The current recommendations are to get it from those
>
> still willing to risk
> > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
>
> Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora
> desktop pretty
> damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot
> of newbs, not to
> mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.
>
> What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't
> get libdvdcss at all
> how would we watch DVDs then?

On our PC's right?

1) On Bill's OS
2) On regular dvd players which are intended for this (please do not get offended) 
3) find/retrieve/store keep copies of libdvdcss source code and compile it on our own, at our own risk, and install it.

I still like option 3 the best, but as long as I can watch the movie I would not mind option 2 or 1 going in that direction :)

Regards,

Antonio
> Regards,
> Ranbir
>
> Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
> Linux 2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
> 21:00:24 up 3 days, 32 min, 3 users, load average: 0.27,
> 0.27, 0.14
>
> --

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:09 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu  wrote:
> > From: Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu 
> > Subject: Re: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:03 PM
> > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > The current recommendations are to get it from those
> >
> > still willing to risk
> > > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
> >
> > Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora
> > desktop pretty
> > damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot
> > of newbs, not to
> > mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.
> >
> > What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't
> > get libdvdcss at all
> > how would we watch DVDs then?
>
> On our PC's right?
> On Bill's OS
> On regular dvd players which are intended for this (please do not get offended)
> find/retrieve/store keep copies of libdvdcss source code and compile it on our own, at our own risk, and install it.
>
> I still like option 3 the best, but as long as I can watch the movie I would not mind option 2 or 1 going in that direction :)

----
A mailing-list has been set up for support and discussion about
libdvdcss. Its address is :

To subscribe, send a mail to  with the following
words in the mail body :

subscribe libdvdcss

To unsubscribe, do the same with the words :

unsubscribe libdvdcss

When reporting bugs, try to be as precise as possible (which OS, which
distribution, what plugins you were trying, and so on).

Resources
=========

The VideoLAN web site at http://www.videolan.org/ is a good start for
information about MPEG and DVD playing. Have a look at the documentation
section, as well as the bookmarks.

Craig

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> A mailing-list has been set up for support and discussion about
> libdvdcss. Its address is :

great links. thanks for posting them.
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[Anthony Joseph Messina]

On Wednesday 29 October 2008 09:34:41 pm Craig White wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:09 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu

wrote:
> > > From: Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu 
> > > Subject: Re: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:03 PM
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > The current recommendations are to get it from those
> > >
> > > still willing to risk
> > > > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
> > >
> > > Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora
> > > desktop pretty
> > > damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot
> > > of newbs, not to
> > > mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.
> > >
> > > What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't
> > > get libdvdcss at all
> > > how would we watch DVDs then?
> >
> > On our PC's right?
> > On Bill's OS
> > On regular dvd players which are intended for this (please do not get
> >
> > offended) 3) find/retrieve/store keep copies of libdvdcss source code and
> > compile it on our own, at our own risk, and install it.
> >
> > I still like option 3 the best, but as long as I can watch the movie I
> > would not mind option 2 or 1 going in that direction :)
>
> A mailing-list has been set up for support and discussion about
> libdvdcss. Its address is :
>
> To subscribe, send a mail to  with the following
> words in the mail body :
>
> subscribe libdvdcss
>
> To unsubscribe, do the same with the words :
>
> unsubscribe libdvdcss

is that the right address?

: host skanda.videolan.org[2001:41d0:1:a690::1] said: 550
    5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
    virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 23:09 -0500, Anthony Messina wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 October 2008 09:34:41 pm Craig White wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:09 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
>
> wrote:
> > > > From: Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu 
> > > > Subject: Re: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> > > > To: [e-mail]
> > > > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:03 PM
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > The current recommendations are to get it from those
> > > >
> > > > still willing to risk
> > > > > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
> > > >
> > > > Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora
> > > > desktop pretty
> > > > damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot
> > > > of newbs, not to
> > > > mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.
> > > >
> > > > What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't
> > > > get libdvdcss at all
> > > > how would we watch DVDs then?
> > >
> > > On our PC's right?
> > > On Bill's OS
> > > On regular dvd players which are intended for this (please do not get
> > >
> > > offended) 3) find/retrieve/store keep copies of libdvdcss source code and
> > > compile it on our own, at our own risk, and install it.
> > >
> > > I still like option 3 the best, but as long as I can watch the movie I
> > > would not mind option 2 or 1 going in that direction :)
> >
> > A mailing-list has been set up for support and discussion about
> > libdvdcss. Its address is :
> >
> > To subscribe, send a mail to  with the following
> > words in the mail body :
> >
> > subscribe libdvdcss
> >
> > To unsubscribe, do the same with the words :
> >
> > unsubscribe libdvdcss
>
> is that the right address?
>
> : host skanda.videolan.org[2001:41d0:1:a690::1] said: 550
>     5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
>     virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

----
that came from the README from livna (F9) but it may very well be that
videolan.org discontinued mail list as they do have a wiki...
http://wiki.videolan.org/Main_Page

and forums
http://forum.videolan.org/

and it's a live/robust project

Craig

[Kam Leo]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Craig White  wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 23:09 -0500, Anthony Messina wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 October 2008 09:34:41 pm Craig White wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 19:09 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > From: Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu 
> > > > > Subject: Re: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> > > > > To: [e-mail]
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:03 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > > The current recommendations are to get it from those
> > > > >
> > > > > still willing to risk
> > > > > > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, this is going to make watching my DVDs on my Fedora
> > > > > desktop pretty
> > > > > damn hard.  It'll ruin the desktop experience for a lot
> > > > > of newbs, not to
> > > > > mention making it a pain in the ass for experienced users.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't
> > > > > get libdvdcss at all
> > > > > how would we watch DVDs then?
> > > >
> > > > On our PC's right?
> > > > On Bill's OS
> > > > On regular dvd players which are intended for this (please do not get
> > > >
> > > > offended) 3) find/retrieve/store keep copies of libdvdcss source code and
> > > > compile it on our own, at our own risk, and install it.
> > > >
> > > > I still like option 3 the best, but as long as I can watch the movie I
> > > > would not mind option 2 or 1 going in that direction :)
> > >
> > > A mailing-list has been set up for support and discussion about
> > > libdvdcss. Its address is :
> > >
> > > To subscribe, send a mail to  with the following
> > > words in the mail body :
> > >
> > > subscribe libdvdcss
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe, do the same with the words :
> > >
> > > unsubscribe libdvdcss
> >
> > is that the right address?
> >
> > : host skanda.videolan.org[2001:41d0:1:a690::1] said: 550
> >     5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
> >     virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
> that came from the README from livna (F9) but it may very well be that
> videolan.org discontinued mail list as they do have a wiki...
> http://wiki.videolan.org/Main_Page
>
> and forums
> http://forum.videolan.org/
>
> and it's a live/robust project
>
> Craig

If you want to join the libdvdcss mailing list go here:
http://mailman.videolan.org/listinfo/libdvdcss-devel

Videolan mailing list is here: http://mailman.videolan.org/listinfo

[Thorsten Leemhuis]

On 30.10.2008 02:03, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:47 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > The current recommendations are to get it from those still willing to risk
> > distributing it (rpmfusion currently is not)
>
> [...]
> What's the proposed alternative?  Suppose we can't get libdvdcss at all
> how would we watch DVDs then?

Some Livna and RPM Fusion contributors are working on a solution. For 
now and the coming weeks just continue to grab libdvdcss from Freshrpms 
or Livna, just as you did before.

CU
knurd

[Arch Willingham]

I don't see where anyone answered you....I am wondering the same thing.

Arch

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of kwhiskerz
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:19 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]

I read that rpmfusion, formerly livna, will no longer provide libdvdcss. I have always religiously installed it.

Does this mean that it will no longer be possible to play DVDs in Fedora? I don't rip or copy DVDs, just watch them, so would I actually need libdvdcss?

Do other programs now provide the functionality formerly provided by libdvdcss?

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[Antonio M]

2008/10/17 Arch Willingham :
> I don't see where anyone answered you....I am wondering the same thing.
>
> Arch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of kwhiskerz
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:19 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
>
> I read that rpmfusion, formerly livna, will no longer provide libdvdcss. I have always religiously installed it.
>
> Does this mean that it will no longer be possible to play DVDs in Fedora? I don't rip or copy DVDs, just watch them, so would I actually need libdvdcss?
>
> Do other programs now provide the functionality formerly provided by libdvdcss?
>
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DVD are not going to be seen any more??? Bill, still there????

[Steve Repo]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Antonio M  wrote:
> 2008/10/17 Arch Willingham :
> > I don't see where anyone answered you....I am wondering the same thing.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of kwhiskerz
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:19 PM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: libdvdcss [quasi OT, quasi not OT]
> >
> > I read that rpmfusion, formerly livna, will no longer provide libdvdcss. I have always religiously installed it.
> >
> > Does this mean that it will no longer be possible to play DVDs in Fedora? I don't rip or copy DVDs, just watch them, so would I actually need libdvdcss?
> >
> > Do other programs now provide the functionality formerly provided by libdvdcss?
> >
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> DVD are not going to be seen any more??? Bill, still there????

I wonder what triggered this now about libdvdcss??

[Boggiano]

Antonio M ha scritto:
> 2008/10/17 Arch Willingham :
> DVD are not going to be seen any more??? Bill, still there????

Ciao Antonio,
a simply fast search on google is pointing me to:
http://rpmforge.net/user/packages/libdvdcss/

Please, don't forget laws are different from contry to country; so don't 
pretend that entire world acts like the Italian country! (Thanks to God! 
;) )
Anyhow, if Fedora does't feed our needs, we are plenty of options in the 
Linux world! ;)

Freedom is good, but we have to respect the law (even if it 
stupid,sometimes)

Ciao
Ale

[Bill Davidsen]

Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
> Antonio M ha scritto:
> > 2008/10/17 Arch Willingham :
> > DVD are not going to be seen any more??? Bill, still there????
>
> Ciao Antonio,
> a simply fast search on google is pointing me to:
> http://rpmforge.net/user/packages/libdvdcss/
>
> Please, don't forget laws are different from contry to country; so don't 
> pretend that entire world acts like the Italian country! (Thanks to God! 
> ;) )
> Anyhow, if Fedora does't feed our needs, we are plenty of options in the 
> Linux world! ;)
>
> Freedom is good, but we have to respect the law (even if it 
> stupid,sometimes)

That's not correct. We have to obey the law, respect is not required. As Stalin 
said "I do not care that they hate, as long as they fear."