Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?

Hi Dan,

Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after 
fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the packages 
vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.

So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if the 
patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?


Thanks.
Mark

[Vinzenz Feenstra]

On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  Hi Dan,
>
>  Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after 
>  fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the packages 
>  vdsm master branch requires on fedora17. 
Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora
18 without packages from koji 
or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
>  So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if the 
>  patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17? 
I wish we would do, but then again
do we want to limit ourselves so that 
we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
>  Thanks.
>  Mark
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  vdsm-devel mailing list
>  vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel 

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On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after 
> > fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the 
> > packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
>  Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from 
>  koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
> >
> >
> > So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if 
> > the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
>  I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so 
>  that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise? 
For me, it's not very
meaningful to support master branch on old distro 
releases,  especially for old fedora.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Mark
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > vdsm-devel mailing list
> > vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> > https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
>
>

[Vinzenz Feenstra]

On 05/02/2013 09:31 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
> > On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
> >> Hi Dan,
> >>
> >> Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after 
> >> fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the 
> >> packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
> > Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from 
> > koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
> >>
> >>
> >> So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if 
> >> the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
> > I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so 
> > that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
>  For me, it's not very meaningful to support master branch on old 
>  distro releases,  especially for old fedora. 
F18 is not an old distro release and
it's not working either with f18 
because of required versions ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> vdsm-devel mailing list
> >> vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> >> https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
> >
> >
>  

-- 
Regards,

Vinzenz Feenstra | Senior Software Engineer
RedHat Engineering Virtualization R & D
Phone: [phone]
IRC: vfeenstr or evilissimo

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----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Vinzenz Feenstra" <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "Mark Wu" <wudxw(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;
>  Cc: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:54:09 AM
>  Subject: Re: [vdsm] Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?
>  
>  On 05/02/2013 09:31 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  > On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  >> On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  >>> Hi Dan,
>  >>>
>  >>> Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after
>  >>> fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the
>  >>> packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
>  >> Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from
>  >> koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if
>  >>> the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
>  >> I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so
>  >> that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
>  > For me, it's not very meaningful to support master branch on old
>  > distro releases,  especially for old fedora.
>  F18 is not an old distro release and it's not working either with f18
>  because of required versions ... 
Could you please post which are these requirements that are not satisfied
even by updates-testing?

>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks.
>  >>> Mark
>  >>>
>  >>> _______________________________________________
>  >>> vdsm-devel mailing list
>  >>> vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  >>> https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  
>  
>  --
>  Regards,
>  
>  Vinzenz Feenstra | Senior Software Engineer
>  RedHat Engineering Virtualization R & D
>  Phone: [phone]
>  IRC: vfeenstr or evilissimo
>  
>  Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>  See how it works at redhat.com
>  
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>  https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
>

[Vinzenz Feenstra]

On 05/02/2013 10:09 AM, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote:
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vinzenz Feenstra" <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > To: "Mark Wu" <wudxw(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;
> > Cc: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:54:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [vdsm] Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?
> >
> > On 05/02/2013 09:31 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
> >> On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
> >>> On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
> >>>> Hi Dan,
> >>>>
> >>>> Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after
> >>>> fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the
> >>>> packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
> >>> Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from
> >>> koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
> >>>>
> >>>> So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if
> >>>> the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
> >>> I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so
> >>> that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
> >> For me, it's not very meaningful to support master branch on old
> >> distro releases,  especially for old fedora.
> > F18 is not an old distro release and it's not working either with f18
> > because of required versions ...
>  Could you please post which are these requirements that are not satisfied
>  even by updates-testing? 
--> Processing Dependency: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 for
package: 
vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64 
(/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
            Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
            Installed: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64 
(/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
            Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
            Removing: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
            Updated By: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
                libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem

Checking: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libvirt

FEDORA-2013-4691 	libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18 
<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-4691/libvirt-0.10.2.4...

	Fedora 18 
<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F18?_csrf_token=1a8ad106c7c8c0a34...

		stable 	

	crobinso 
<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/user/crobinso?_csrf_token=1a8ad10...

	2013-04-01 22:04:31


0.10.4-1 is the latest and that's what is available. 1.x is not 
available on f18.

I have been checking it on koji and  libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 is currently 
satisfiable with libvirt-1.0.4-1.fc19 
<http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=408040> which 
obviously is F19.


Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> vdsm-devel mailing list
> >>>> vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> >>>> https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vinzenz Feenstra | Senior Software Engineer
> > RedHat Engineering Virtualization R & D
> > Phone: [phone]
> > IRC: vfeenstr or evilissimo
> >
> > Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
> > See how it works at redhat.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > vdsm-devel mailing list
> > vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
> > https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/vdsm-devel
> > 

-- 
Regards,

Vinzenz Feenstra | Senior Software Engineer
RedHat Engineering Virtualization R & D
Phone: [phone]
IRC: vfeenstr or evilissimo

Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
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[Dan Kenigsberg]

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:38:26AM +0200, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  On 05/02/2013 10:09 AM, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote:
>  >
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >>From: "Vinzenz Feenstra" <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  >>To: "Mark Wu" <wudxw(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;
>  >>Cc: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  >>Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:54:09 AM
>  >>Subject: Re: [vdsm] Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?
>  >>
>  >>On 05/02/2013 09:31 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  >>>On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  >>>>On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  >>>>>Hi Dan,
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained after
>  >>>>>fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the
>  >>>>>packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
>  >>>>Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from
>  >>>>koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider if
>  >>>>>the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
>  >>>>I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so
>  >>>>that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
>  >>>For me, it's not very meaningful to support master branch on old
>  >>>distro releases,  especially for old fedora.
>  >>F18 is not an old distro release and it's not working either with f18
>  >>because of required versions ...
>  >Could you please post which are these requirements that are not satisfied
>  >even by updates-testing?
>  --> Processing Dependency: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 for package:
>  vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  (/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
>             Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
>             Installed: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
>             Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
>             Available: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
>  Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  (/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
>             Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
>             Removing: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
>             Updated By: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
>             Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
>                 libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
>   You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
>  
>  Checking: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libvirt
>  
>  FEDORA-2013-4691 	libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18
> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-4691/libvirt-0.10.2.4...
>  	Fedora 18
> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F18?_csrf_token=1a8ad106c7c8c0a34...
>  		stable 	
>  
>  	crobinso
> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/user/crobinso?_csrf_token=1a8ad10...
>  	2013-04-01 22:04:31
>  
>  
>  0.10.4-1 is the latest and that's what is available. 1.x is not
>  available on f18.
>  
>  I have been checking it on koji and  libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 is currently
>  satisfiable with libvirt-1.0.4-1.fc19
>  <http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=408040> which
>  obviously is F19. 
Change http://gerrit.ovirt.org/11709 by Amador has introduced this
dependency. I would not mind a static hack that reverts this patch on
Fedora 18.

However, there is no way around it - vdsm master branch is always going
to use fresh vir features from libvirt, and I wouldn't like to add
runtime legacy code of "if new libvirt: use new feature; else: use
stub". libvirt itself is hiding qemu cr*p like this, I don't think we
have the capacity to do that, too.

So, I suggest that people compile a fresh libvirt for their development
platform; and that Ewoud moves his slave to a fresher Fedora (or at
least get a newer pep8 tool) as soon as possible in order to avoid such
errors.

Dan.

[Alon Bar-Lev]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Dan Kenigsberg" <danken(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "Vinzenz Feenstra" <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Ewoud Kohl van
> Wijngaarden" <ewoud(a)kohlvanwijngaarden.nl&gt;, "Amador
>  Pahim" <apahim(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Cc: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:11:11 PM
>  Subject: Re: [vdsm] Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?
>  
>  On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:38:26AM +0200, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  > On 05/02/2013 10:09 AM, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote:
>  > >
>  > >----- Original Message -----
>  > >>From: "Vinzenz Feenstra" <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > >>To: "Mark Wu" <wudxw(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;
>  > >>Cc: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  > >>Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:54:09 AM
>  > >>Subject: Re: [vdsm] Is vdsm still maintained for Fedora 17?
>  > >>
>  > >>On 05/02/2013 09:31 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  > >>>On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
>  > >>>>On 05/02/2013 05:22 AM, Mark Wu wrote:
>  > >>>>>Hi Dan,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>Since the repo of virt-preview for fedora17 is not maintained
> after
>  > >>>>>fedora 18 was released,  it could be difficult to install the
>  > >>>>>packages vdsm master branch requires on fedora17.
>  > >>>>Currently i cannot install VDSM on Fedora 18 without packages from
>  > >>>>koji or enabling rawhide, when trying to install vdsm/master.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>So do we still maintain vdsm for fedora17?  Do we need consider
> if
>  > >>>>>the patch to upstream will cause break on fedora17?
>  > >>>>I wish we would do, but then again do we want to limit ourselves so
>  > >>>>that we cannot use some things we would use otherwise?
>  > >>>For me, it's not very meaningful to support master branch on old
>  > >>>distro releases,  especially for old fedora.
>  > >>F18 is not an old distro release and it's not working either with f18
>  > >>because of required versions ...
>  > >Could you please post which are these requirements that are not satisfied
>  > >even by updates-testing?
>  > --> Processing Dependency: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 for package:
>  > vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  > --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  > Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  > (/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
>  >            Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
>  >            Installed: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
>  >            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
>  >            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
>  > Error: Package: vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64
>  > (/vdsm-4.10.3-0.369.git62ee4ea.fc18.x86_64)
>  >            Requires: libvirt >= 1.0.2-1
>  >            Removing: libvirt-0.10.2.3-1.fc18.x86_64 (installed)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.3-1.fc18
>  >            Updated By: libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.4-1.fc18
>  >            Available: libvirt-0.10.2.2-3.fc18.x86_64 (fedora)
>  >                libvirt = 0.10.2.2-3.fc18
>  >  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
>  > 
>  > Checking: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libvirt
>  > 
>  > FEDORA-2013-4691 	libvirt-0.10.2.4-1.fc18
>  >
> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-4691/libvirt-0.10.2.4...
>  > 	Fedora 18
>  >
> 	<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F18?_csrf_token=1a8ad106c7c8c0a34...
>  > 		stable
>  > 
>  > 	crobinso
>  >
> 	<https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/user/crobinso?_csrf_token=1a8ad10...
>  > 	2013-04-01 22:04:31
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 0.10.4-1 is the latest and that's what is available. 1.x is not
>  > available on f18.
>  > 
>  > I have been checking it on koji and  libvirt >= 1.0.2-1 is currently
>  > satisfiable with libvirt-1.0.4-1.fc19
>  > <http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=408040> which
>  > obviously is F19.
>  
>  Change http://gerrit.ovirt.org/11709 by Amador has introduced this
>  dependency. I would not mind a static hack that reverts this patch on
>  Fedora 18.
>  
>  However, there is no way around it - vdsm master branch is always going
>  to use fresh vir features from libvirt, and I wouldn't like to add
>  runtime legacy code of "if new libvirt: use new feature; else: use
>  stub". libvirt itself is hiding qemu cr*p like this, I don't think we
>  have the capacity to do that, too.
>  
>  So, I suggest that people compile a fresh libvirt for their development
>  platform; and that Ewoud moves his slave to a fresher Fedora (or at
>  least get a newer pep8 tool) as soon as possible in order to avoid such
>  errors. 
This will probably have to be changed if we are to support other distributions, even if we
can force fedora to introduce latest libvirt, we will probably won't be able to do
this within all distributions.

Unless we must (not optional feature) use a significant feature from newer libvirt, we
should not force newer libivrt.

Regards,
Alon