Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list - https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email - http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists - https://libosinfo.org/communicate/ - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
Rich.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
FWIW, a little history.... many moons ago during development of the Fedora Core 5 release, we created a fedora-xen@redhat.com mailing list. Virtualization was all new and shiny and a total pain to actually get running and develop against. So the fedora-xen mailing list was useful to avoid deluging other mailing lists with Xen related topics. Later when KVM came along, we created a fedora-virt mailing list, so we didn't tie discussions just to Xen. These later moved from redhat.com to fedoraproject.org mailman. The xen@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list actually still exists too, and has even less traffic than virt one!
Fast-forward 10 years.... virtualization is mainstream, almost seemlessly integrated in Fedora, pretty much everyone knows about it and can get it working with little effort. Thus the original rationale for having the Fedora virt mailing list has pretty much gone away IMHO. There's no reason not to just use the main Fedora developer/user mailing lists, and/or the appropriate project upstream lists at this point.
Regards, Daniel
Den 2015-09-16 kl. 14:20, skrev Daniel P. Berrange:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
FWIW, a little history.... many moons ago during development of the Fedora Core 5 release, we created a fedora-xen@redhat.com mailing list. Virtualization was all new and shiny and a total pain to actually get running and develop against. So the fedora-xen mailing list was useful to avoid deluging other mailing lists with Xen related topics. Later when KVM came along, we created a fedora-virt mailing list, so we didn't tie discussions just to Xen. These later moved from redhat.com to fedoraproject.org mailman. The xen@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list actually still exists too, and has even less traffic than virt one!
Fast-forward 10 years.... virtualization is mainstream, almost seemlessly integrated in Fedora, pretty much everyone knows about it and can get it working with little effort. Thus the original rationale for having the Fedora virt mailing list has pretty much gone away IMHO. There's no reason not to just use the main Fedora developer/user mailing lists, and/or the appropriate project upstream lists at this point.
Regards, Daniel
Yes, I agree that we can kill this list.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 01:20:49PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
BTW, in case there was any doubt ...by 'kill the virt list', I would expect that we set all existing subscribers to moderated, and set any postings to get the get an auto-reply suggesting they use one of the alternative lists Rich suggests above. We'd also turn off ability to subscribe. The list would still actually exist, such that we preserve the archives forever. IOW, we just disable use of the list but don't delete it.
Regards, Daniel
On 09/16/2015 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
Yeah I've thought similar for a long while too. So I'm for it. I'll leave a bit more time for discussion but if nothing changes I'll close the list next week.
- Cole
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:08:57AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote:
On 09/16/2015 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
Yeah I've thought similar for a long while too. So I'm for it. I'll leave a bit more time for discussion but if nothing changes I'll close the list next week.
One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html
I was also interested in whether any web pages reference this list. I think just these ones:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization#News https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Preview_Repository#Contact https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-virt https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization/News
Rich.
On 09/23/2015 01:27 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:08:57AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote:
On 09/16/2015 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/
The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching.
So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists:
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list
- https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email
- http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists
- https://libosinfo.org/communicate/
- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs
Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that only affects to Fedora, then:
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
- https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Can we kill the virt list?
At this point in time, I'd say yes.
Yeah I've thought similar for a long while too. So I'm for it. I'll leave a bit more time for discussion but if nothing changes I'll close the list next week.
One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:
It's on my list but I might not get to it today, so go for it
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html
I was also interested in whether any web pages reference this list. I think just these ones:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization#News https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Preview_Repository#Contact https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-virt https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization/News
I don't think it's in any man pages or anything, so that looks right to me
Thanks, Cole
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 06:27:09PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html
The xen@ one should probably go too.
Rich.
On 09/23/2015 01:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 06:27:09PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html
The xen@ one should probably go too.
Rich.
There's a few xen devs on that mailing list, I figured I'd leave it up to them. And if they wanted to keep it going, hand off maintenance to them. Haven't asked yet though
- Cole
One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html
The xen@ one should probably go too.
There's a few xen devs on that mailing list, I figured I'd leave it up to them. And if they wanted to keep it going, hand off maintenance to them. Haven't asked yet though
I occasionally find the Xen list very useful, mainly because Michael Young is so helpful. For this reason, the Xen list has in the past been a good place to bring up issues that arise as Fedora and Xen are updated.
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