3:26 p.m.
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744
about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel
subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the
needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work
just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
kevin
3:41 p.m.
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744
about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel
subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the
needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work
just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector subpackage
(or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's unnecessary
clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it is now, is
wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not to build
applications on top of webkitgtk...
Martin
3:51 p.m.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200
Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> There's a reasonable request in:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744
> about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the
> -devel subpackage.
>
> The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install
> the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
>
> I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to
> work just fine in there in midori at least.
>
> There's a f14 scratch build here:
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
>
> Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
>
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector
subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's
unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it
is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not
to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
Yeah.
It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the main
package from all I can see.
kevin
2:09 a.m.
On Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:51:11 pm Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200
Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Greetings.
> >
> > There's a reasonable request in:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744
> > about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the
> > -devel subpackage.
> >
> > The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install
> > the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
> >
> > I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to
> > work just fine in there in midori at least.
> >
> > There's a f14 scratch build here:
> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
> >
> > Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
>
> I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector
> subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's
> unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it
> is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not
> to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
Yeah.
It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the main
package from all I can see.
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely
wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most
users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight
browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense +
does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
Jaroslav
kevin
10:18 a.m.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:09:27 +0200
Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:51:11 pm Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200
>
> Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > Greetings.
> > >
> > > There's a reasonable request in:
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744
> > > about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the
> > > -devel subpackage.
> > >
> > > The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to
> > > install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
> > >
> > > I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to
> > > work just fine in there in midori at least.
> > >
> > > There's a f14 scratch build here:
> > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
> > >
> > > Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
> >
> > I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector
> > subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's
> > unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel,
> > as it is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web
> > pages, not to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
>
> Yeah.
>
> It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the
> main package from all I can see.
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's
webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for
example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm
not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit
browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
well, 2.3MB seems hardly worth a subpackage to me. ;)
In midori at least there is a 'inspect page' in the right click menu.
If you don't currently have webkitgtk-devel installed, it just does
nothing at all. (yes, it should probibly error on the inspector not
being available). Even if it did say "Inspector not available", most
people wouldn't know to look for a subpackage to enable it, IMHO.
kevin
8:40 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
completely
wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most
users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight
browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense +
does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added
MBs are not so easily dismissed...
8:56 a.m.
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
> completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's
> webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example
> Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure
> shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect
> Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added
MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
Jaroslav
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9:57 a.m.
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 15:56 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
> > completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's
> > webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example
> > Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure
> > shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect
> > Inspector installed in UI?
>
> I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added
> MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
Right. Like all the help menuitems in apps that don't work because we
don't have room to install all the docs. Shipping CDs really sucks, on
some level...
10 a.m.
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 15:56 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
> > completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's
> > webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example
> > Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure
> > shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect
> > Inspector installed in UI?
>
> I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added
> MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
I couldn't find it in the epiphany ui, fwiw.
12:15 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:40:02 -0400
Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's
> completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's
> webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for
> example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices,
> I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit
> browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd,
added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
Perhaps not, but I think it's worth it against the frustration of not
having the thing there and having to try and figure out how to install
it. ;(
I couldn't find it in the epiphany ui, fwiw.
midori and uzbl at least expose it on right click... if it's
not there they just don't do anything.
In epiphany you have to go to prefs and enable it first, then it works
on right click.
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