Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744 about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
kevin
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744 about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not to build applications on top of webkitgtk...
Martin
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200 Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744 about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
Yeah.
It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the main package from all I can see.
kevin
On Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:51:11 pm Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200
Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744 about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
Yeah.
It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the main package from all I can see.
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
Jaroslav
kevin
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:09:27 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik jreznik@redhat.com wrote:
On Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:51:11 pm Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:41:39 +0200
Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 14:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
There's a reasonable request in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=566744 about moving the webkit inspector into the main package from the -devel subpackage.
The inspector is useful for many people who may not want to install the needed 31(!) devel packages to have it.
I looked at just moving it into the main package and it seems to work just fine in there in midori at least.
There's a f14 scratch build here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2462354
Thoughts? Any objections to moving it?
I'm all for it. You might consider moving it to -webinspector subpackage (or something like that) instead if anyone thinks it's unnecessary clutter in the main package. IMHO having it -devel, as it is now, is wrong. It's used for debugging/developing web pages, not to build applications on top of webkitgtk..
Yeah.
It's 2.3MB of javascript and images. It seems fine to have in the main package from all I can see.
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
well, 2.3MB seems hardly worth a subpackage to me. ;)
In midori at least there is a 'inspect page' in the right click menu. If you don't currently have webkitgtk-devel installed, it just does nothing at all. (yes, it should probibly error on the inspector not being available). Even if it did say "Inspector not available", most people wouldn't know to look for a subpackage to enable it, IMHO.
kevin
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
Jaroslav
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On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 15:56 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
Right. Like all the help menuitems in apps that don't work because we don't have room to install all the docs. Shipping CDs really sucks, on some level...
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 15:56 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 03:40:02 pm Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
But the problem is - as Kevin said, it's exposed in UI and it's not working...
I couldn't find it in the epiphany ui, fwiw.
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:40:02 -0400 Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:09 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I agree with Martin - it does not belong to -devel package - it's completely wrong but I tend more to put it to subpackage. It's webdevelopers tool, most users are not interested in. And as for example Midora is user as lightweight browser on smaller devices, I'm not sure shipping bigger package makes sense + does any WebKit browser reflect Inspector installed in UI?
I tend to agree with Jaroslav here. With webkitgtk on the livecd, added MBs are not so easily dismissed...
Perhaps not, but I think it's worth it against the frustration of not having the thing there and having to try and figure out how to install it. ;(
I couldn't find it in the epiphany ui, fwiw.
midori and uzbl at least expose it on right click... if it's not there they just don't do anything.
In epiphany you have to go to prefs and enable it first, then it works on right click.
kevin
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