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Meeting Log - 2008-07-14
by Ricky Zhou 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

16:00 < ricky> ====== BEGIN FEDORA WEBSITES MEETING ====== 16:01 < ricky> Roll Call: 16:01 < ricky> Ricky Zhou 16:01 < JonRob1> ricky are you logging?! 16:01 < JonRob1> Jonathan Roberts 16:01 < ricky> Yup 16:02 < ricky> ianweller, giarc, quaid, anybody I forgot: ping 16:02 * ianweller 16:03 < ricky> All right, then: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 16:04 < ricky> So the planet matrix seems to be going well (thanks, ianweller) 16:04 < giarc> giarc 16:04 < ianweller> \o/ 16:04 < ricky> :-) 16:04 < ianweller> i need to tally up browsers when i get a chance 16:04 < ricky> So what can we try to fix this problem now? 16:05 < ricky> Even with a good idea of what's failing, it's hard to test CSS changes without being able to try immediately. 16:05 < ricky> At least Firefox 3 on Fedora isn't particular rare in these parts ;-) 16:06 < giarc> can we get a test instance up that we could try changes on? ( one that has all the same blog posts as the live version) 16:06 < ricky> I've tried a bunch of things to catch that scrolling problem, but no luck :-( I'm semi-convinced that it's a Linux+Gecko bug 16:06 < ricky> giarc: Good idea - it should be as simple as wgetting a copy (and changing links) to a fedorapeople page 16:07 < giarc> i only get the scrolling problem sometimes, very hard to figure out what is causing it 16:08 < ricky> Weird, I can reproduce it 100% of the time 16:09 * quaid is here, thx 16:10 < giarc> my first page load seems to exhibit it, subsequent loads are seemingly more random 16:10 < ricky> For anybody that's interested in testing on a separate instance, cp -R ~ricky/public_html/planet ~/planet on people1 16:11 < ricky> And sed -i 's/ricky.fedorapeople.org/username.fedorapeople.org/g' ~/public_html/planet/index.html 16:11 < ricky> Sorry, I mean cp -R ~ricky/public_html/planet ~/public_html/planet 16:12 < ricky> So the goals for that are to either solve/work around the bug, or maybe even get a simplified test case if it does turn out to be a browser bug. 16:12 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 16:13 < ricky> (Since no CSS is supposed to get that kind of behavior, I'm pretty certain *something* is wrong with the rendering) 16:13 < ianweller> brb 16:13 < giarc> ricky, OK 16:13 < ricky> Anybody have anything else to add about planet? 16:14 < ricky> daMaestro mentioned that the huge sidebar made mobile viewing difficult a while back 16:14 < ricky> (Huge scrolling, plus downloading a lot of usernames before getting and content) 16:15 < ricky> So part of that can be solved with CSS, but the other part is a markup thing) 16:15 < giarc> i think we can swap positions in the markup to solve that, but have not tried it yet 16:16 < giarc> also, should the planet code go into our git ? 16:16 < ricky> Hm, it probably should 16:17 < ricky> Do you think we need to setup an automatic sync from the git repo for that? 16:17 < giarc> i guess that could not hurt, but is probably not nesc at this point 16:18 < ricky> All right, then 16:18 < ricky> Do you think we could push this to CSS people on the list? 16:19 < ricky> A lot of people have expressed interest in helping with CSS, but I haven't been great with giving them tasks to start with 16:19 < ricky> This could be a pretty good chance to get more people involved :-) 16:20 < ianweller> ricky: should we shove a giant "patches welcome" message at the top of the matrix? hehe 16:20 < giarc> sure, if people want to help with it ... 16:20 < ricky> Go for it :-) 16:20 < ricky> It might also be a good idea to ping firefox people/their bugzilla about this. 16:21 < giarc> good thought ricky 16:21 < ricky> It feels like a bug, but who knows? It could be known/expected behavior.. somehow. 16:21 < ricky> All right, so after the meeting, I'll ask on irc.mozilla.org and see if it's something that we should file a bug over 16:21 < giarc> i hope not expected ... 0_o 16:21 < ricky> Yeah ;-) 16:21 < ricky> So anything more on the planet before we move to get-fedora? 16:22 < ianweller> not that i can see. 16:22 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster 16:23 < ianweller> other than i read stickster's great point in spevack's blog just now 16:23 < giarc> ianweller, got a link? 16:23 < ricky> ianweller: Ooh, can you paste a link? 16:23 < ianweller> http://spevack.livejournal.com/59491.html 16:23 < giarc> danke 16:23 < ianweller> "On a related note, Paul Frields made a great point earlier today -- we need a mechanism that automatically puts anything sent to fedora-announce-list on Planet Fedora." 16:23 < ricky> Ah, that - yeah 16:24 * ianweller researches existing mailman->rss interfaces 16:24 < ricky> All we need is somebody to subscribe to that list with an email2rss script of some sort 16:24 < ricky> It shoudn't be that hard to do on Fedora infrastructure, if that's the right place 16:24 * ricky might avoid mailman to RSS if it requires modification of Red Hat's mailman 16:25 < stickster> ianweller: We definitely don't want something more spammable as an intermediary 16:25 < stickster> i.e. mailbucket.org <== FAIL. 16:25 < stickster> heh 16:25 < ianweller> stickster: duh :D 16:25 < ianweller> ricky: noted 16:25 < stickster> spevack gave me too much credit, it was more his idea as I recall. 16:26 < ianweller> ricky: yeah maybe an internal email that then goes to generate rss feed. 16:26 < ricky> Ah, that's true 16:26 < ianweller> spevack: hehe 16:26 < ianweller> ricky: although it should probably filter out anything that wasn't sent to fedora-announce-list, just in case someone actually guesses the email by accident 16:26 < ianweller> brb 16:27 < ricky> Yeah - that's something to think about 16:27 < ricky> So get-fedora :-) 16:28 < ricky> Anybody know what the progress on that has been? 16:28 * ricky wonders if this falls under the "release early, release often" saying. 16:29 < ricky> It's only marginally more painful when you add "translate early, re-translate often" to it :-/ 16:30 < JonRob1> is juank_prada around tonight? 16:30 < ricky> .seen juank_prada 16:30 < zodbot> ricky: juank_prada was last seen in #fedora-websites 1 week, 6 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <juank_prada> see you all later :) 16:31 < ricky> Wow, I forgot to ping mizmo-out too - this is the one she can make, right? :-) 16:32 < ricky> (spins.fedoraproject.org) 16:32 < ianweller> this is the early one, right? 16:32 < ricky> Yup 16:32 < ianweller> it doesn't look like she's been in at all today 16:32 < ricky> She mentioned that she had been working on that 16:32 < ricky> Is anybody currently working on CSS for her mockups? 16:32 < ianweller> no, but i will be soonish 16:32 < ianweller> i'm assigned to that task 16:33 < ricky> Ah, cool 16:33 < ricky> Try to tie in with fedora.css as much as possible 16:33 < ianweller> noted/agreed 16:33 < ricky> (We really need to start cleaning up our CSS usage) 16:33 < giarc> i have been out of touch a few meetings in a row now, where are mizmo-out 's mockups ? 16:34 < JonRob1> ianweller: css for spins or for pushing to fp.o in general? 16:34 < ianweller> JonRob1: spins.fp.o 16:35 < JonRob1> do we have html for spins to go with? 16:35 < ianweller> no. which i guess is also assigned to me 16:35 < ianweller> mizmo-out does the mockups, i'll turn that into magic^Wcode 16:35 < ianweller> that's how i understand it. 16:36 < ricky> Heh. 16:36 < ricky> Well, both HTML and CSS will build on fp.o stuff a bit, I gues 16:36 < ricky> **guess 16:36 < ianweller> yes, i hope so ;) 16:36 < ianweller> less work for me. 16:39 < ricky> Darn, I suddenly can't find the mockups 16:40 < giarc> brb 16:40 < giarc> $work call 16:40 < ricky> All right, to Websites Infrastructure, then 16:41 < ricky> quaid: Are you around? 16:42 < ricky> No updates on the build script 16:42 < ricky> We are moving to a different workflow, though 16:42 < ricky> The live branch no longer exists - anything pushed to the git repo goes live immediately. 16:43 < ricky> So the workflow I'm aiming for is: People have their own git repos (preferably public/fedorapeople) for testing their own changes, then they push up when they're ready 16:44 < ricky> So the makefile/README has been changed to reflect this. 16:44 < ricky> No more hideous merges/time-consuming typos :-) 16:45 < ianweller> have you shot that info to fedora-websites-list and fedora-infra-list 16:45 < ricky> Just websites (I've made all the necessary changes on the infra side) 16:45 < ricky> (Subject "fedora-web git workflow change") 16:46 < ricky> Anyway, those are all the updates from the infra side - I still haven't found a good solution for ugly templates yet. 16:47 < JonRob1> ricky, i must run, sorry i haven't been around much tonight but have had other commitments to fight with 16:47 < JonRob1> if you throw me the log i'll minute it up over the week 16:47 < JonRob1> and also, there's no new news on the license front 16:48 < ricky> I'm eagerly following http://genshi.edgewall.org/ticket/129, which will hopefully solve some problems 16:48 < ricky> JonRob1: No worries - see you later 16:48 -!- JonRob1 [n=jon(a)88-110-60-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #fedora-websites [] 16:49 < ricky> So onto common look+feel 16:49 < ricky> giarc: Are you back? 16:49 < ricky> quaid and stickster might be interested in this too, since it says that docs.fp.o is first on the list :-) 16:49 < giarc> yep 16:50 < ricky> So how's it going with prettifying docs.fp.o? Are we going to try to do it within the current build system, or are we waiting for something less convoluted to work with? 16:51 < giarc> i have had no time for this yet, but was planning on this week... I am not at all familiar with how docs is built ... 16:52 < ricky> Prepare for "fun" ;-) 16:52 < giarc> what /who should i pester for help getting going with that? 16:52 < giarc> ok :-} 16:52 * ianweller prepares for said fun 16:52 < ricky> I'd guess that quaid and stickster (and fedora-docs-list) are the experts on that 16:53 * stickster here 16:53 < stickster> giarc: We have a CVS repository for docs, at cvs.fp.o:/cvs/docs 16:53 < stickster> It contains DocBook XML source for our documents, which are build to HTML and pushed (more or less, with some steps in between) to the /cvs/fedora repository. 16:54 < giarc> ok 16:54 < stickster> Tagged LIVE and then sync's on the server by a cronjob 16:54 < stickster> *sync'd 16:54 < giarc> so I guess I will be interested in the co and build part for starters ... 16:54 < ricky> Isn't that HTML seddde into a PHP file then converted into an HTML file at some point? 16:55 < ricky> **sedded 16:55 < ricky> (Or was I mixing it up with fedora.redhat.com?_ 16:57 < ricky> giarc: Anyway, let me know if I can help with diving into makefiles and buildscripts and such :-) 16:57 < ricky> quaid: ping (Wiki Content Sponsorship - Plugin) 16:59 < ricky> :-/ 17:00 < giarc> mm, i have followed these: 17:00 < giarc> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsUsage 17:00 < giarc> and it is challenging me for anonymous's password ? 17:00 < ricky> Blank? 17:00 < ricky> If that doesn't work, can you give me the command you're trying? 17:01 < giarc> blank 17:01 < giarc> thanks 17:01 < ricky> Ah, cool 17:01 < giarc> oh boy, this does look fun 17:02 < ricky> Hehe. 17:02 * ricky quickly get the last item in: 17:02 < ricky> Group join interstitial pages in FAS 17:03 < ricky> I think one problem is that FAS kind of breaks the step by step process of most join pages. 17:03 < ricky> So we need to make it more wizard-like, I guess. 17:06 < ricky> I guess we've hit the hour mark for now, so let's close this up

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meeting reminder - jul 14 @ 20:00 UTC
by Max Spevack 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

Meeting today at 20:00 UTC. According to Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel, #fedora-meeting is free, so we'll be in there. If by chance someone else is in that room, go to #fedora-websites Here is your trusty task list, which I updated last week, so we'll take it from there with whoever is around. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks --Max

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Wiki Business
by Nigel Jones 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a while. 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I propose the addition of two new name spaces... a) Archive: (without talk pages) Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, and/or are no longer relevant to the general user Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. b) Meeting: (with talk pages) Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and board/committee/group meeting logs Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be optionally searched but not by default An alternative to a meeting name space is with proper logging of the meeting channels automatically posting meeting logs on Fedora People (or similar). As for the large pages, well we have pages that are well in excess of the 32KB recommended by the Mediawiki folk, stuff like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChristianIseli/PackageReviewStatus (200KB+) would be better suited to Fedora People, but we don't really have any mandate on this. (it'd be nice to have one). Thoughts, Comments, Suggestions? Nigel

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Exporting to plaintext for FWN
by Oisin Feeley 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

Hi all, Two questions concerning the method by which Fedora Weekly News is turned from a wikipage into plaintext for email purposes: 1. If we use external wikilinks (such as [http://someurl.com Some URL] in what format will these be rendered during export to plaintext? 2. How/where is the plaintext generated? If someone can point me to appropriate reading material on this then I'd be grateful. I Googled around for information on general MediaWiki exporting and only found information about XML exporting. A brief search of the last 5 months of this mailing list's archives also revealed nothing. Thanks for any assistance, Oisin Feeley

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Meeting Minutes 2008-07-07
by Jonathan Roberts 13 Jul '08

13 Jul '08

Sorry for the delay, minutes are here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-07-07 And log is below. Best, Jon ----------------------------- --- Log opened Tue Jul 08 00:00:00 2008 --- Day changed Tue Jul 08 2008 00:00 < spevack> ====== BEGIN FEDORA WEBSITES MEETING ====== 00:00 < spevack> ok everyone, let's begin 00:00 < spevack> JonRob: right on :00 for you :) 00:00 ... join!#fedora-websites -> epkphoto(n=epkphoto(a)ip98-169-237-170.dc.dc.cox.net) 00:00 < spevack> for me it's even better -- 00:00:00 for the timestamp 00:00 < ricky> :-) 00:00 < spevack> let's do an official roll call, if you will 00:00 < JonRob> makes it all worthwhile! 00:00 < ianweller> ah, the magic of ntp... 00:00 < spevack> Max Spevack 00:00 * ianweller lurks 00:00 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 00:00 < ricky> Ricky Zhou 00:01 < epkphoto> Eric Kerby 00:01 < fchiulli> Frank Chiulli 00:01 < spevack> giarc around? 00:02 < spevack> epkphoto: at the risk of embarassing myself, I'll say that I don't recognize your name immediately... have you been lurking for a while, are you an old-timer who's not been around for a bit, or am I just blind and dumb? 00:02 * quaid is here 00:02 < spevack> hey karsten 00:02 < epkphoto> lurking more or less 00:02 < spevack> well cool, good to have you here epkphoto 00:02 * spevack was expecting an answer of "I've been a Fedora contributor since 2005, you insensitive clod!" 00:03 < spevack> ok... let's look at our agenda. 00:03 < epkphoto> one day after college stops consuming my life, I'll be more recognizable :) 00:03 < spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Tasks 00:03 < spevack> pull ^^^^^ up if you all will 00:03 < spevack> epkphoto: what year are you? where you located? 00:03 ... join!#fedora-websites -> ryanlerch(n=ryan(a)203.34.177.232) 00:03 < spevack> ok, let's start at the beginning. 00:03 < spevack> I was asked to add Planet to our task list 00:03 * abadger1999 here 00:04 < epkphoto> spevack: graduating in May 2009...located in US/Eastern...specifically NY and VA 00:04 < spevack> namely, we need someone to go through and test planet.fedoraproject.org on Macintoshes, Windows, etc. We need a cross-platform and major-browser test matrix 00:04 < spevack> people have been traveling during the holidays, using random computers, and seeing breakage. 00:04 < spevack> So, who's got access to something other than Fedora? 00:04 < ricky> And Firefox on Linux still has that stupid scrolling problem :-( 00:04 * ianweller has seen breakage on his home computer, on fedora, on firefox-3.0-1 :( 00:04 * ricky could never find out what caused that 00:05 < ianweller> well, the scrolling problem, that is 00:05 < JonRob> i have a mac so can't test os x - though i'll have to reinstall 00:05 < JonRob> can* 00:05 < spevack> Well, I'd like to do this in a slightly organized way 00:05 < epkphoto> i may be able to do some Mac OS X testing 00:05 < spevack> 1) simple page on fp.org/wiki/Planet/Matrix that lists the basic OSs and browsers we want to test look and feel in 00:05 < spevack> 2) a section under each where we can describe problems 00:06 < JonRob> ah ok, good idea! 00:06 < spevack> so that giarc or anyone else hacking on the CSS can have a place to know what's going on... I'm trying to keep us away from a trac instance 00:06 < spevack> that just feels like overkill to me 00:06 ... join!#fedora-websites -> giarc_touch(n=mobile(a)32.138.69.195) 00:07 < ricky> Speak of the devil :-) 00:07 < spevack> so would someone like to volunteer to create that matrix, send a note to the list, and then get some volunteers to try them out? This is not a complex task -- let's just hit the 4 or 5 highlights and then have a report to give giarc_touch 00:07 < spevack> giarc_touch: howdy 00:07 * ianweller could create the matrix tomorrow 00:07 < giarc_touch> hi 00:07 < ricky> giarc_touch: What different browsers/platforms do you have access to? 00:07 < spevack> giarc_touch: we're talking about building a little QA team for you to test planet.fedoraproject.org across a few different browsers and platforms 00:08 < giarc_touch> cool 00:08 < spevack> ianweller: that would be great. but i'm a little sensitive to giving you stuff this week, unless you're sure you have time for it 00:08 < ianweller> tomorrow i've got nothing going on 00:08 < spevack> ianweller: sounds good, then. thanks! 00:08 < ianweller> shouldn't take too long to get ready 00:08 < spevack> I think you need: 00:08 < spevack> Windows -- IE & Firefox 00:08 < spevack> Mac -- Safari & Firefox 00:09 < giarc_touch> i 00:09 < spevack> Fedora -- Firefox and Epiphany 00:09 < giarc_touch> oops 00:09 < spevack> that probably covers most of it 00:09 < spevack> giarc_touch: go ahead 00:09 < ricky> And maybe Konqueror and possible Opera 00:09 < JonRob> + konq? 00:09 < spevack> ricky: +1 00:09 < ianweller> ok for internet exploder do we care about version 6? 00:09 * spevack presents himself to the KDE guys for a whipping 00:09 < giarc_touch> what issues are we having? 00:10 * spevack only cares about the latest version 00:10 < ricky> ianweller: We should really try to 00:10 < ianweller> i think we should definitely do $currentversion and $currentversion-1 00:10 < spevack> giarc_touch: vague reports of "it looks bad on non-Fedora firefox". That is why we're trying to get volunteers to look at it and either be specific, or just have it go away :) 00:10 < spevack> ianweller: sure. 00:10 < giarc_touch> ok 00:11 < spevack> ianweller: shoot for the stars, and we'll see what kind of volunteers we can rustle up. 00:11 < ianweller> will do. 00:11 < spevack> giarc_touch: i want to come to you with specific cases and screenshots, or not bother you at all 00:11 < spevack> ianweller: ask people to include screenshots with their complaints, it will help giarc_touch a lot 00:11 < ianweller> ok 00:11 < quaid> make sure there is room for >1 person to comment per matrix cell 00:12 < ricky> test case #1: press page down until you reach the bottom - make sure that there are no problems 00:12 * ricky is semi-convinced that this is a Firefox bug 00:12 < ricky> Er, gecko 00:12 < spevack> yeah, it doesn't even have to be a table quaid. Just various sections of the page where people can describe problems or screenshots, etc.... i'm sure we'll work it out. 00:12 < ianweller> we could have a matrix that has anchor links to different sections/pages 00:13 < quaid> +2 00:13 < spevack> ianweller: indeed. In cases like this, i advocate the simplest tool that will allow us to solve the problem :) 00:13 < ianweller> i'm out, bbl 00:13 < ianweller> i'll read logs 00:13 < quaid> that would work nice 00:13 < quaid> ciao 00:13 ... nick!ianweller -> ianweller_afk 00:13 < spevack> ok, let's move on then, since this is pretty well resolved. 00:13 < spevack> ianweller_afk: thanks dude 00:14 < spevack> mizmo-out is not here, so we'll set aside spins.fp.o for the moment. 00:14 < spevack> get-fedora is on the list... juank isn't here but giarc_touch is... let me ask quickly, where do we currently stand on mockups for the next iteration of get-fedora? 00:14 < spevack> i know there's something out there, but i have forgotten where it is. 00:16 < spevack> while we wait on giarc_touch .... ricky, do you have any Websites/Infrastructure topics you need to bring up tonight? 00:16 < spevack> am i all by myself? 00:16 < quaid> yes 00:16 * spevack screams into the ether 00:16 < ricky> I still haven't had much luck making the buildscript friendlier :-( 00:16 < quaid> uh, I mean, no 00:17 < ricky> The few leads from before turned out to have problems 00:17 < spevack> ricky: what kind of problems? 00:17 < spevack> they didn't have enough programming chops to do stuff? 00:17 < ricky> The ${Markup(_(' '))} stuff - I still haven't been able to shake it 00:18 < spevack> ricky: how does that relate to problems with the leads we got from people who said they might be interested in helping? 00:18 < ricky> I don't completely remember what happened with those (I was gone all last week) 00:19 < ricky> I think I've sent a few emails describing the problems that we're facing, but no clear solutions yet 00:20 < fchiulli> ricky: what kind of help do you need? 00:20 < spevack> ricky: well, would you like me to follow up with them, do you want to, or what? what is the best way, overall, that we can help you out, either technically or from a recruiting point of view? 00:21 < ricky> Mostly planning out how to handle translations well. I don't think our current workflow is working as well as it could be. 00:21 < JonRob> i'm a bit clueless on this stuff 00:21 < JonRob> but does turbo gears make this kind of thing easier? 00:22 < JonRob> could we leverage toshio et al? 00:22 < ricky> I spoke with couf a while back (sent to the list with subject "A conversation about website translation") that describes some of the current problems. 00:23 < ricky> One question is whether po files works for website translations 00:24 < ricky> It's a pretty specific situation - unlike the documentation team, we don't follow any specific schedule or anything. 00:25 < spevack> ricky: can glezos help here somehow? 00:25 < ricky> So what could be the costs/benefits to having some sort of release cycle for the website? 00:25 < ricky> spevack: I haven't spoken to him recently - I'll definitely see if he has any thoughts 00:26 < spevack> ricky: is it fair to say that we already have the *basics* of a release cycle for the website, and perhaps just need to beef up the process a bit? 00:27 < ricky> Maybe. I'm trying to think about all of this while keeping my mind on the future of our website. Do we want to expand a lot from what we have now in terms of content? 00:28 < quaid> specifically the problem with the markup is that it is a pain to author in the original language 00:28 < quaid> since it makes PO files, that part is solved, right? 00:28 < ricky> Definitely - that's a specific technical problem that I haven't been able to solve :-( 00:29 < quaid> I wonder if we are re-inventing a hamster wheel that someone else (e.g. Drupal) has resolved ... 00:29 < quaid> s/Drupal/$CMS/ 00:29 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> tw2113("Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.") 00:31 < spevack> so what's the path forward here? 00:31 < spevack> i need something to write on the task page along with a check in date 00:31 < spevack> :) 00:31 < spevack> 'cause that's how i roll 00:32 < JonRob> eh, we all love task lists - at least i do 00:33 < spevack> hello? ricky? 00:33 * spevack shakes the internet and smacks it like a malfunctioning toaster 00:33 < ricky> Heh, sorry 00:34 < ricky> Just thinking... 00:34 < ricky> quaid's CMS mention is sounding pretty tempting, honestly. 00:34 * quaid nods his head 00:35 < quaid> and if anyone says Plone ... 00:35 < quaid> I'll smack ya! 00:35 < ricky> Thank you :-P 00:35 < spevack> quaid: /nick mrT :) 00:35 * JonRob wonders hat happened to plone in the end 00:35 * JonRob ducks 00:36 < quaid> looks like there ht be some options written in TG 00:36 < spevack> so, should we make this topic #1 next week? 00:37 < spevack> if so, what do we need to do this week to have it be useful conversation next week? 00:37 < ricky> I'm curious about what everybody's vision for the website is 00:37 < ricky> As in, how much will we expand from what we have now? What should be on the wiki vs. on the website? 00:39 < spevack> static stuff that changes at release, with minor updates mid-release == website 00:39 < spevack> everything else == wiki 00:39 < JonRob> do we want to pull docs etc into the same structure? 00:39 < ricky> This can help us decide how useful a CMS would be to us and what to look for in a solution 00:40 < spevack> that's a vision for www.fedoraproject.org -- spins.fp.o is a totally separate creature. 00:40 < ricky> JonRob: I don't think docs and websites will end up using the same tools 00:40 < spevack> but i assume ricky you are talking about www.fp.o 00:40 < ricky> That I am 00:40 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> giarc_touch(Connection timed out) 00:41 < quaid> +1 to /*ANY*/ CMS for docs.fp.org 00:42 < ricky> But I mean content-wise - will it pretty much stay like it is now? 00:42 < JonRob> ricky: there's a few small additions i'd like to make at some point 00:42 < ricky> quaid: So we're not going to end up using publican to just generate them all? 00:42 < JonRob> but i guess so 00:42 < spevack> two questions: 00:42 < quaid> ricky: publican only does part of the picture. 00:42 < spevack> 1) quaid, can't docs make a decision on CMS pretty much "on its own"? 00:43 * quaid could see how to hack it with publican and cronjob, but that is juts ore of the same 00:43 < spevack> 2) ricky, are you trying to get at whether www.fp.o needs to run on top of a CMS or on top of custom build/publish scripts? 00:43 < quaid> spevack: not without an army of code monkeys at my command 00:44 < ricky> spevack: That and what would the requirements be for a solution 00:44 < spevack> do we have a sitemap for www.fp.o similar to the one mizmo-out made for spins.fp.o? 00:44 < spevack> if not, we need one. 00:44 < spevack> it will show us the present, and also the potential future 00:44 < spevack> and really help with a whole bunch of decisions that need to be made 00:45 < spevack> agreed, or no? is that where this conversation ultimately goes, in order to be able to make a smart decision 00:45 < spevack> ? 00:45 < JonRob> +1 00:46 < ricky> Yeah 00:46 < spevack> ok... /me makes a note of that. 00:46 < spevack> and jonrob will have it in the minutes too 00:46 * ricky notes the "Fedora Website" document in gobby 00:46 < quaid> yes, we need to see a massive site map that shows the roles of sub-domains as well 00:47 < spevack> quaid: indeed 00:47 < quaid> so we can be clear wtf docs.fp.o is for, or realize it's redundant or whatever 00:47 < quaid> btw, TG-based CMS doesn't seem in process; it was a GSoC idea this year that no one is doing 00:48 < spevack> ok, this is a good task, and a very important one. 00:48 < quaid> if the TurboGears project says it's not really happening ... 00:48 * spevack was referring to the sitemap... 00:48 < quaid> http://www.pagodacms.org/ 00:48 < quaid> right, sorry, jumping all over here 00:48 < spevack> ok, what else do we need to talk about tonight? almost 1 AM for me and I am fading fast 00:49 < spevack> pagoda seems interesting 00:49 * quaid reads their trac instance 00:49 < ricky> Age: 8 months :-( 00:50 < spevack> what else, guys? any other business people want to bring up? 00:51 < JonRob> silence is golden! 00:52 < spevack> ok, then i declare this meeting over. 00:52 * JonRob hopes spevack logged again? 00:52 < ricky> I have a log if you need it 00:52 < spevack> I have some thinking/reorganizing/etc of our task list to do this week. I think we need to cull the chaff, and focus on planet and other L&F, spins, and www and that's it. 00:53 * spevack will try to get something together for folks to think on this week 00:53 < spevack> JonRob: i'll send you the log. 00:53 < spevack> ===== MEETING OVER ===== 00:53 < spevack> thanks for coming, everyone! 00:53 < JonRob> cool cheers 00:53 < spevack> really appreciate your time 00:53 < ricky> Thanks

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Fedora Project Web Forums
by Michael Hideo Smith 13 Jul '08

13 Jul '08

Does fedoraproject.org have user moderated web forums available? Cheers, Mike

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Top nav bar help
by Jonathan Roberts 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

Hey all, I got a chance to sit down and work on the top nav bar and also on making the home page look a little more like the one the design for Fedora App DB but I could do with some help: a) How can I get my local git repo into Fedora People so other people can grab my version? b) The colours don't look quite right to me. I've been using the Fedora Logo colours... c) There's some bits of the CSS that still need fixing, like the top border on the content section covering the right background/border image There's a screenshot of what I've done so far at: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home1.png There's also a screenshot of an old take that no longer has code where the top nav bar is a different colour and looks a little better to me: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png Best, Jon

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fedora-web git workflow change
by Ricky Zhou 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

After all of that pain with the separate live branch, we're moving to a slightly different workflow for the fedora-web git repo. Now, anything pushed to ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git will go live within the hour. Testing should be done in your own repo (and you are encouraged to make those public so that people can pull your changes ,etc.) Thanks, Ricky

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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/create
by martin.x.long＠jpmchase.com 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

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Fedora Applications proof-of-concept
by Robin Norwood 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

Hi, I'm working on a web application called 'Fedora Applications'. I've gotten to the point where I have a publicly available proof-of-concept level web app available. Fedora Applications is designed to be an easy way to find and install applications for Fedora. The public instance is at: http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber Feel free to poke around and get a feel for some of the functionality. There's still a lot of warts and every ugly places. Any prettiness is entirely due to help from Máirín. Mike Langlie is also going to be helping me get it looking better. One warning - this box isn't considered stable at all, and may go down or implode at any time. If it doesn't work, try again in a few minutes, and then send me an email. The current plan is to style and brand it as a Fedora web application, like Koji, Bodhi, package DB, et al. To that end, any help you guys can give keeping Mike and I in line with the Fedora brand guidelines is much appreciated. The code running Fedora Applications is called 'Amber', and can be found here: https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ Along with a better product definition and other info. Patches cheerfully accepted, of course. If anyone wants git commit access, just apply to the 'gitamber' group in FAS. Thanks, -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching

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