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FreeMedia July
by Usama Muneeb 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Respected FedoraProject webmaster, The page /wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/F9/July has not yet been updated. Please update. Regards, Usama Muneeb

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Fedora Free Media
by Tamayi Mlanda 04 Jul '08

04 Jul '08

Dear sir/madam I am an independent software consultant developing web based applications for the Microsoft Windows platform. I have recently had several enquiries for web based applications on Linux based platforms and have been wanting to try Fedora. I have been trying for the Fedora Free Media project for the past 3 months without success. More recently, I have been religiously checking the Fedora Free Media site up until July 03, and it was indicating that the Fedora Free Media Program July 2008 is now CLOSED. Then come 4th July, I find that the program for July has also closed. Just my luck L!!! I was just wondering whether there is anything that you could do to assist me secure a copy of Fedora. I operate from Zimbabwe and unfortunately, I cannot afford to buy the media, we are going through some economic challenges and it is almost impossible to secure anything other than almost worthless Zimbabwe dollars. I also do not have access to credit card facilities. As such I have really been hoping to benefit from the Free Media Program. Any assistance you can offer me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Tamayi Mlanda Software Architect Spectrum ITS 1st Floor, South Wing, Travel Centre Cnr 3rd Street/Speke Avenue Harare, Zimbabwe Mobile: +263 11 803 511 Tel: +263 4 799 626 - 8 Fax: +263 4 799 629 <http://www.spectrumits.com/> cid:image001.jpg@01C7A828.A37DB030

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One of your url is missing a '/'
by Nathalie D'Amours 03 Jul '08

03 Jul '08

Hi, On the following page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download The following link: <ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9Fedora/x86_64/i so/> ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9Fedora/x86_64/is o/ should be: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9 <ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/x86_64/ iso/> /Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Regards, Nathalie

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Spins wiki page reorganization
by Máirín Duffy 03 Jul '08

03 Jul '08

Hey folks, I took some time this morning to re-organize the spins wiki page. I hope it's okay that I did this. I moved the meeting minutes from fudcon over to serve as the base of the /Websites/Spins page, and then I broke out the page into a few subpages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Spins ~m

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Comment - Install from USB
by diego rey 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Hi, I'm Diego from Bogotá,Colombia. I just wanna install my Fedora9 from USB so i refer to the docs and found this link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live There is well explained how to create a Booting USB, but there is not written anywhere that i should copy the image of the DVD/CD into the USB or another disc or even that i should preserve that image for the installation, its easy to assume that after the creation of the Booting USB the image (i'm referring as image to the .iso file) is not needed anymore. So, i think that it should be said there. Thanks.

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Cron <root@asterisk1> /usr/local/bin/syncFiles.sh talk.fedoraproject.org /srv/web/talk.fedoraproject.org/ (fwd)
by Mike McGrath 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Some changes recently have caused our sync script to fail: ======================================= [mmcgrath@puppet1 talk.fedoraproject.org]$ make msgfmt -o po/de.mo po/de.po cp po/talk.fedoraproject.pot po/en.po msgfmt -o po/en.mo po/en.po python build/translations.py po/LINGUAS > data/templates/translations.html python build/build.py -o out -i data/content -l de -p po -s static -b / Traceback (most recent call last): File "build/build.py", line 114, in ? main() File "build/build.py", line 111, in main process(args) File "build/build.py", line 34, in process process_dir(dirpath, filenames) File "build/build.py", line 63, in process_dir curpage=curpage, File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/core.py", line 179, in render return encode(generator, method=method, encoding=encoding, out=out) File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 60, in encode return _encode(u''.join(list(iterator))) File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 425, in __call__ for kind, data, pos in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 753, in __call__ for kind, data, pos in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 592, in __call__ for kind, data, pos in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 698, in __call__ for kind, data, pos in chain(stream, [(None, None, None)]): File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/output.py", line 532, in __call__ for ev in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/core.py", line 283, in _ensure for event in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/base.py", line 569, in _include for event in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/markup.py", line 299, in _match ctxt, match_templates[idx + 1:], **vars): File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/markup.py", line 246, in _match for event in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/base.py", line 543, in _exec for event in stream: File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/base.py", line 509, in _eval ctxt, File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/base.py", line 520, in _eval result = _eval_expr(data, ctxt, **vars) File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/base.py", line 286, in _eval_expr retval = expr.evaluate(ctxt) File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/eval.py", line 180, in evaluate return eval(self.code, _globals, {'__data__': data}) File "./data/templates/js.html", line 6, in <Expression u'relpath'> <script type="text/javascript" src="${relpath}/static/js/banner.js"></script> File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/eval.py", line 306, in lookup_name val = cls.undefined(name) File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/genshi/template/eval.py", line 405, in undefined raise UndefinedError(key, owner=owner) genshi.template.eval.UndefinedError: "relpath" not defined make: *** [de] Error 1 ======================================= Can someone please take a look at what happened? -Mike

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by opalinemusic＠aliceadsl.fr 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

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Support question
by Adolf Pantoja 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Hello, My name is Adolf and I am the SysAdm for a small library in Alaska called ARLIS. My support question is if I move my servers to Fedora 9 how long will my servers be able to receive updates? For instance, Ubuntu will offer updates to there product until 2013. Adolf Pantoja System Administrator Alaska Resources Library & Library Services adolf(a)arlis.org

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2008-06-30 Meeting Minutes and Log
by Jonathan Roberts 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

Yay for exams being over, here are the minutes and log from yesterday's meeting: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings/2008-06-30 Best, Jon -------------------------------- 22:00 < spevack> ===== Begin Websites Meeting ===== 22:00 < spevack> meeting now! :) 22:00 < ianweller> spevack: that begin line showed up as 15:00:00 on my computer. wonderful timing lol 22:00 < tw2113> ditto 22:00 < spevack> ianweller: not a coincidence 22:00 * ianweller hugs ntp 22:00 < spevack> ok, so who's around? 22:00 < spevack> Max Spevack 22:00 < JonRob> Jonathan Roberts 22:00 < mizmo> meeee 22:00 < tw2113> MichaelBeckwith 22:00 * ianweller as Ian Weller 22:01 < ivazquez> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 22:01 < rsc> RobertScheck 22:01 < spevack> ricky: you around? 22:01 < ianweller> (ricky's on vacation iirc) 22:01 < spevack> fair enough 22:01 < spevack> nice crowd today. 22:01 * ianweller does the wave 22:01 * JonRob realises I'm not logging, can someone else send me a log so i can do the minutes? 22:01 < tw2113> YMCA! 22:01 < ianweller> i'll log 22:01 < spevack> JonRob: i'm logging 22:01 < tw2113> i have logging enabled too 22:02 < spevack> ok, that's taken care of :) 22:02 < spevack> so, here's what I was thinking for today. 22:02 < spevack> i want to start by running down the list of tasks we came up with at the actual spins hackfest. 22:02 < spevack> and from there, i'm sure we'll move into mizmo's work from the weekend 22:02 < spevack> in other words, a very heavy emphasis on spins.fp.o 22:03 < spevack> so before we get into that... are there *other* websites topics anyone wants to address? 22:03 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Tasks 22:03 < JonRob> quickly: 22:03 < spevack> JonRob: go ahead 22:03 < JonRob> did people spot that message i sent re: an update to get-help? 22:04 < JonRob> i'm not comfortable pushing to live without others at least glancing yet 22:04 < spevack> JonRob: i'm trying to pull it up now 22:04 < tw2113> i probably did but can't recall 22:04 * ianweller missed that thread apparently 22:05 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00282.html 22:05 < spevack> JonRob: i'm having trouble finding that specific page in your tree 22:06 < spevack> JonRob: got a direct link? 22:06 < JonRob> hmm let me see 22:06 < JonRob> oh shoot, we had this problem before i think 22:06 < JonRob> ok, move on with the meeting and i'll try and figure it out :p 22:06 * ianweller doesn't see any recent commits by JonRob in the git repo. 22:07 < spevack> ok, no worries JonRob 22:07 < spevack> any other new business, before we dive into spins? 22:07 < tw2113> just a link to the spins map that mo did up 22:08 < spevack> tw2113: one sec 22:08 < spevack> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html 22:08 < spevack> ok, let's dive into the meat of this meeting then. 22:08 < spevack> starting with our little task list from the hackfest session 22:08 < spevack> 1. spins.fp.o test instance 22:08 < spevack> owners: ricky and mspevack 22:08 < ianweller> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Tasks, for reference) 22:08 < spevack> well, i must confess that I have yet to move the needle on that one. And I don't think ricky did either. 22:09 < spevack> the goal here is to get a git instance for spins.fedoraproject.org 22:09 < spevack> as well as a test envionment 22:09 < spevack> so that we have a place to check stuff in, and a place where it shows up that isn't the live page. 22:09 < ianweller> i think we have a git instance somewhere 22:09 < tw2113> what is the initial page for this map? 22:09 < tw2113> i'm thinking spin details 22:10 < ianweller> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spins.git is our git repo for spins.fp.o 22:10 < ianweller> i believe i am an admin for the acl for it in FAS 22:10 < tw2113> nevermind, just saw "home" 22:10 < spevack> ianweller: excellent... right, i remember seeing that now. I forgot to get myself registered to that group in FAS. 22:10 < spevack> so, lesson one: anyone who wants to be able to commit needs to apply for a new group in FAS, right? 22:11 * ianweller gets the group name... 22:11 < ianweller> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitspins 22:11 < spevack> great, i just applied. 22:12 * ianweller sponsors 22:12 < spevack> so the next question that I have is how we can get some sort of test instance where the stuff we check in is displayed for testing, critique, etc.? 22:12 < ianweller> shall we ping mr. mcgrath? 22:12 < spevack> once we have that, then at least there is a basic infrastructure for contribution. 22:12 < mizmo> mmcgrath set up publictest2 and said i could use my homedir for that purpose 22:12 < ivazquez> We should. 22:12 < spevack> ianweller: sure. i'll do that after the meeting, since it 22:12 < spevack> is my action item 22:12 < ianweller> spevack: ok then. 22:12 < spevack> and i don't want to bog us down too much here. 22:12 < mizmo> (now i just have to figure out how to set git up so it will work there) 22:13 < ianweller> i think we can safely make mizmo and spevack sponsors in the group, correct? 22:13 < spevack> ok, so (1) git instance is created and (2) mspevack will work with infrastructure for test instance 22:13 < spevack> ianweller: i trust mizmo :) 22:14 < mizmo> spevack, would publictest2 be the test instance? 22:14 < mmcgrath> actually publictest12 22:14 < mmcgrath> :) 22:14 * mmcgrath is around 22:14 < mizmo> oh 12 foo 22:14 < spevack> well, all i get is the apache test page. i don't know if our git repo is empty, or if there's been anything dropped in there yet 22:14 < mizmo> thanks mmcgrath 22:14 < spevack> but if it's publictest12, then wonderful! we're good to go. 22:15 < ianweller> who in here has sysadmin-test? 22:15 < mizmo> spevack, i think the idea is that we could each have our own in our homedirs 22:15 < JonRob> i think i do :S 22:15 < ivazquez> Not I. 22:15 ... join!#fedora-websites -> daMaestro(n=jon@fedora/damaestro) 22:15 < ianweller> yeah you'll need to be in sysadmin-test to ssh into publictest12. 22:15 < ianweller> iirc. 22:15 < spevack> mizmo: that makes sense... i'm too locked into the RHN world where I'm still imagining individuals with dev environments, but you need one "QA" somewhere" that is a known good state for testing and feedback 22:15 < JonRob> yup, i do 22:16 < spevack> mizmo: but i suppose i'm getting ahead of myself. 22:16 < mizmo> true true 22:16 < spevack> clint savage isn't around right now, so i'll skip the update on the "what is a spin" task, which is mostly a documentation one. 22:16 < ivazquez> It might be nice to have various directories on pt12 for the various branches in the repo. 22:16 < mizmo> ianweller, i can ssh into it but i dont know if i can sysadmintest or not 22:17 < ianweller> oh 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, he sent an update to the websites list 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, one sec 22:17 < ianweller> maybe sysadmin-test is just sudo 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins/What_is_a_spin 22:17 < spevack> great. As you can tell, I'm a bit behind on websites stuff this week. :( my apologies. i have two other tasks -- collecting up a inventory of all the spins we do have, and also continuing to work with juank_prada on the get-fedora updates. 22:17 < mizmo> spevack, that's what he has so far 22:18 < spevack> mizmo: it's a decent start 22:18 < mizmo> yeppers 22:19 < spevack> my other two tasks will continue to see some work. This is a bad week for me since I'm still in Raleigh and having lots of planning meetings and budget meetings and stuff like that. But the work with juank can continue sort of in parallel to spins 22:19 < spevack> and the inventory of spins is easy, and also consists of what we want spins.fp.o to look like as a placeholder -- i'd at least like to clean it up a little bit. 22:19 < spevack> so those are things on my todo list, but realistically ,i won't get to them until next week. 22:19 < spevack> so 50 lashes for me, for lagging a bit :) 22:20 < spevack> At this point, I thought I'd turn the meeting over to mizmo and let her lead us through her work, or what specific kinds of feedback she is looking for 22:21 < mizmo> :) 22:21 < mizmo> on the spot! 22:21 < mizmo> well 22:21 < spevack> mizmo: is that ok? 22:21 < mizmo> yeppers ;-) 22:21 < mizmo> so i wrote this up this past weekend: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html 22:21 ... join!#fedora-websites -> juank_prada(n=juanky(a)200.114.35.190) 22:21 < mizmo> with the sitemap, i was looking to exhaustively list out what pages we would need to write for the spins.fpo site 22:22 < mizmo> and to capture the flow through the site for various folks 22:22 < mizmo> the two big hubs in the sitemap are the home page, and the 'my spins' page 22:22 < juank_prada> hi all.... sorry im late... i just arrived from Campus Party 22:22 < mizmo> the 'my spins' page varies depending on your roles - if you're just a spin user you'll just see your favorited spins here 22:22 < mizmo> if you're a spin builder you'll also see build status for the spinsyou've built 22:22 < mizmo> ifyoure a spin reviewer you'll see your incoming queue of spins to be reviewed 22:22 < mizmo> and if you are all threeyou will see all three :) 22:23 < mizmo> some idiosyncrasies of the diagram: 22:23 < mizmo> - tan circle means it's static content 22:23 < mizmo> - bright blue circle means it's a form or otherwise requires user input 22:23 < mizmo> - blue circle means it's dynamically generated content from a template 22:24 < mizmo> - grey means it's from elsewhere 22:24 < mizmo> (eg an email) 22:24 < mizmo> - cubes mean you're downloading a file such as an iso 22:24 < tw2113> something non important but could be helpful...some sort of key on the graphic for that 22:24 < mizmo> is there anything missing in the flow here? 22:24 < ivazquez> Agreed. A legend would be handy. 22:25 < mizmo> the one i added last minute was the admin section 22:25 < mizmo> right now it just controls building of spins 22:25 < mizmo> maybe it needs a section wher eyou can remove or hide spins too 22:25 < mizmo> after theyve been built 22:25 < ivazquez> We have a sitemap now, but it might be handy to have use cases diagrammed out as well. 22:26 < tw2113> what do the very light blue bubbles around grouped circles mean? 22:26 < mizmo> ivazquez, yeh i think that would be the next step 22:26 < mizmo> tw2113, it just means that the arrow pointing to the box points to all pages in the box 22:26 * juank_prada is checking the diagram again 22:26 < tw2113> ok 22:26 < mizmo> tw2113, they kind of hang together as a dashboard kind of thing 22:26 < JonRob> do we have any news on the tech needed to build spins on the web? 22:27 * mizmo doesn't, JonRob :( 22:29 < mizmo> the next steps from this diagram i think are use cases by individual user diagrammed out 22:29 < mizmo> which we kind of have from FUDcon 22:29 < mizmo> but right now they are just whiteboard photos 22:29 < mizmo> then 22:29 < mizmo> we need wireframes (at the least) for each of the major pages 22:29 < mizmo> then it should be really easy for a devel to go thru the materials and write that pages 22:29 < mizmo> that/the 22:30 * ianweller has no issues with the current sitemap 22:30 < ianweller> i see it as a wonderful guide of how we're going to do things 22:30 < ianweller> should we write up a URI standard that goes with that though? 22:30 < tw2113> word 22:30 < mizmo> i did an example wireframe for the front page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Spinsfpo-wireframe-frontpage.png 22:30 < ivazquez> I think once we have the use cases we'll be able to fine tune it. 22:30 < mizmo> ianweller, URI standard? 22:30 < ianweller> mizmo: like what sections are at what paths 22:31 < ianweller> /browse/ for browse, /spin/### for a spin details page, whathave you 22:31 < mizmo> ivazquez, they are written up in the hackfest notes, just not diagrammed out 22:31 < ianweller> s/have/ have/ 22:31 < ivazquez> Alright. 22:31 < mizmo> ivazquez, eg https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Hackfest_summary#Example_users 22:31 < juank_prada> ianweller, you mean routing paths? 22:31 < ianweller> juank_prada: sure 22:31 < mizmo> ianweller, ah okay makes sense 22:31 < mizmo> ianweller, usually i dont plan those ahead, just happens as development takes place 22:32 < mizmo> ianweller, but having sane urls might make it easier to work with 22:32 * ianweller will never forget the "Cool URIs Don't Change" article ;) 22:32 < ivazquez> How we define the routing also depends on the web framework we're using. 22:33 * juank_prada is willing to check the "Cool URIs Don't Change" article :P 22:33 < juank_prada> ivazquez, totally agree 22:33 < ianweller> juank_prada: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI 22:33 < ianweller> should we have a discussion on what web framework we're using? 22:33 < juank_prada> i would like to 22:34 < mizmo> turbogears no? 22:34 * ianweller assumes turbogears, but i'd love to have a discussion over them all 22:34 < mizmo> id rather not talk about implementation at this stage though unless there are actual developers here? 22:34 < ivazquez> I think we're doing well with TG+SQLAlchemy+Genshi. 22:34 < juank_prada> mizmo, im here ^^ 22:34 < mizmo> oh okay hi juank_prada 22:35 < ianweller> i personally don't know TG (yet) so i can do xhtml/css stuff and then leave the implementation to the devs ;) 22:35 < juank_prada> but yeah... i agree.. im not sure the design is mature enough to start talking about frameworks 22:35 < juank_prada> although i might be wrong as i missed 20 mins of this meeting (may more?) 22:36 < ianweller> juank_prada: you came in just at the start of the spins stuff 22:36 < ianweller> well, at the start of mizmo talking about her work from the weekend 22:36 < juank_prada> ok then.. should we discuss about frameworks now? 22:36 < ianweller> juank_prada: we also have a git repo (as i'm sure you know) and publictest12 setup. 22:37 < juank_prada> is there any other developer here or maybe someone from infrastructure? 22:37 < ivazquez> Seeing as how he's the gitspins admin... 22:37 * ivazquez raises his hand 22:38 < juank_prada> yeah well... alhtough im the admin i really havent had the time to work on this 22:38 < juank_prada> i just got home ^^ 22:39 < ivazquez> Well, I figured you'd at least know about the repo ;) 22:39 < juank_prada> oh yeah :P 22:39 < juank_prada> so ivazquez i assume you would go for TG right? 22:39 < ivazquez> I don't see a need for Zope here, so yes. 22:41 < juank_prada> i dont know about the rest of the developers but im pretty sure turbogears will be the selected framework 22:41 < spevack> well, we are trying to standardize on TG as much as possible 22:41 < spevack> to leverage the expertise that we are building there 22:42 < juank_prada> then lets go for turbogears :) and not waste any time thinking about which framework to use 22:42 < ianweller> that was easy. 22:42 < spevack> i think we need to leverage all the work that luke macken and toshio have already been doing 22:42 < spevack> and also not be afraid to ask them for help 22:43 * spevack pings lmacken and asks him to come to this channel 22:43 < juank_prada> spevack, ill try to get in contact with them... ricky already told me about their work and im sure i'll need a lot of help with this as im not really a TG programmer 22:43 ... join!#fedora-websites -> JonRob1(n=jon(a)88-111-170-73.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22:43 < ivazquez> TG is easy once you know the basics. 22:43 * juank_prada would have voted for Zend Framework :P 22:43 < spevack> juank_prada: lmacken has some great demos and stuff. i want to get him in here to point us at some of what he talked about at FUDCon 22:44 < spevack> long term, i think we'll have the most success if we use the same tools that the rest of Fedora Infrastructure is using. mmcgrath, what do you think? 22:44 ... join!#fedora-websites -> lmacken(n=lmacken@fedora/lmacken) 22:44 < lmacken> hi there 22:44 < juank_prada> ivazquez, yeah i've been playing with it and i find it very easy 22:44 < spevack> mizmo: your thoughts too. 22:44 < spevack> lmacken: we're talking about TurboGears as the framework for spins.fedoraproject.org 22:44 < lmacken> excellent 22:44 < mizmo> spevack, i am all for TG 22:44 < spevack> i was wondering if you have pointers to the stuff you showed at FUDCon 22:44 < lmacken> ah, right.. I should probably post my slides :) 22:44 < spevack> lmacken: and what it would take to prevail upon you to help as a "consultant" from time to time 22:45 < spevack> as you have become our resident TG expert 22:45 < lmacken> I'd be glad to help 22:45 < lmacken> my TG1.0 from 2 fudcons ago: http://tg.lewk.org 22:45 < ianweller> lmacken: you'll probably want to join gitspins in FAS, if you haven't already 22:46 < lmacken> I'll get my TG2.0 ones up soon.. but either way, we can start writing this using TG1.0, and easily port to 2 if we want 22:46 < lmacken> ianweller: will do 22:46 < juank_prada> lmacken, would you recommend doing that?... wouldnt it be easier just to start with TG2.0? 22:47 < lmacken> juank_prada: well, TG2 isn't in fedora yet :\ 22:47 < tw2113> i don't have the knowledge for frameworks at the present time, so i'll just go with TG 22:47 < lmacken> I recommend starting with what will be the TG1.1 stack (SQLAlchemy, Genshi, ToscaWidgets) 22:47 < lmacken> with that code, adopting TG2 down the road will be trivial 22:48 * ivazquez needs to figure out widgets 22:49 < ianweller> so have we somewhat decided on TG 1.1? 22:49 < juank_prada> i guess so 22:50 < lmacken> TG1.1 should be officially released this week, I believe.. but you can easily start working with the 1.1 stack in 1.0 apps as well 22:50 < lmacken> it's just a matter of `tg-admin quickstart --sqlalchemy` 22:51 < lmacken> and then replace the kid with genshi templates 22:52 < lmacken> i'd be glad to help get things rolling if we have a repo somewhere 22:52 < spevack> lmacken: in fact, we do have a repo. 22:52 < ianweller> lmacken: we do, that's what the gitspins group is for :P 22:52 < ianweller> lmacken: http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=spins.git;a=summary 22:53 < lmacken> just applied to the gitspins group 22:53 < ianweller> ka-sponsored' 22:56 < lmacken> so, has anyone come up with a model for this app ? 22:56 < ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Spinsfpo-sitemap.png 22:56 < ianweller> brought to you by the mizmo 22:56 < lmacken> cool, yeah I saw that.. I mean an MVC model 22:57 < ianweller> define MVC 22:57 < mizmo> nope, no model :( 22:57 < ivazquez> We're not that far yet. 22:57 < mizmo> model view controller 22:57 < lmacken> model-view-controller... model == db 22:57 < ianweller> ah. yeah, what ivazquez said... 22:57 < juank_prada> tg does work with mvc right? 22:58 < lmacken> juank_prada: yes 22:58 < juank_prada> ok good 22:58 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> Rasther(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:58 < juank_prada> so i think our next step would be to define the model 22:58 < ianweller> userdirs are working on pt12, fwiw 22:59 < lmacken> juank_prada: yep 22:59 < lmacken> for the past few TG apps I've helped work on, we defined and implemented the model with in gobby.. which seemed to work out nicely 22:59 < ianweller> i'm up for gobby :D 23:00 < lmacken> I recommend trying to lure toshio into gobby to help with this model when he gets back from vacation tomorrow :) 23:00 < juank_prada> so am i... but i would like to know the date as im leaving in about 10-15 minutes :S 23:00 < lmacken> he's our sqlalchemy/db guru 23:01 < juank_prada> should we leave this step for next meeting?... or doing it during this week so next meeting we have something else to talk about the other parts of the mvc pattern :) 23:01 < spevack> i just want us to be clear on the next step, who's doing it, etc. 23:02 < juank_prada> mizmo, what about the use cases you talked about? 23:02 < spevack> so if we're going to have a few people working together in gobby, i'd just like to make sure that juank_prada knows when that is, because i think it's very important that he be included. 23:02 * ianweller notes that he needs to go now 23:02 < ianweller> i'll talk to mizmo at some point about the html/css stuff. 23:03 < mizmo> juank_prada, the main use cases are in the wiki - user, developer, and reviewer 23:03 < mizmo> juank_prada, they aren't diagrammed out yet though 23:03 < spevack> so, before people run off... what are our goals for the coming week? 23:03 < juank_prada> well... they are defined which is the more important thing... going from there to a graphic is easier 23:03 < lmacken> if you guys are set on TG, i'd be glad to help get a skeleton project up 23:04 < ivazquez> That would be appreciated. 23:04 < lmacken> but in terms of hacking, I may not have spare cycles for a month or so 23:04 * ianweller must run as of now. i'll read the scroll buffer 23:04 < juank_prada> lmacken, i would really like you to help us here... and it seems TG is the one we will use 23:04 < lmacken> juank_prada: cool 23:05 < ivazquez> Uh, oh yeah. I should probably mention that I'm going on vacation towards the end of the week. 23:05 < spevack> lmacken: that's ok. i'm not looking to recruit you as our lead hacker -- i know you're busy -- just to help us move along as we need it, and help the technically-minded in the websites team be successful 23:05 < spevack> ivazquez: no problem -- have a nice vacation! :) 23:05 < ivazquez> Thanks. 23:05 < lmacken> spevack: absolutely. I'll help as much as I possibly can 23:05 < juank_prada> so should i suggest next steps to be having the use cases defindes (this could be done in an hour or so) and defining the model? 23:06 < ivazquez> I'll still check my email though, so if you need anything just let me know (and pray it doesn't get buried in the mailing lists). 23:06 < spevack> is it better to have lmacken set the TG instance up for us, or (even if it is pedantic) to ask Luke to tell one of the folks (maybe juank_prada) who will be a major developer on spins.fp.o *how* to do it, and let that person actually make it happen? 23:06 < juank_prada> and by defined i actually mean in a grpahic .. something mre like what mizmo did with the structure of the site 23:06 * spevack thinks that small things like that have large effects 23:06 < ivazquez> spevack: I think we should have a project-wide doc on how to get TG up and running. 23:06 < spevack> true :) 23:07 < ivazquez> That way we don't get people going off on their own little tangents. 23:07 < spevack> lmacken: do you have that doc? 23:07 < juank_prada> lmacken, what time is more easily to find you around here? 23:07 < spevack> lmacken: if not, could it be your "fedora websites action item" for the week? :) 23:08 < lmacken> spevack: `tg-admin quickstart` usually does the trick. But In terms of running a command to get a Fedora-look-and-feel TG app... that may be a useful doc/script to have 23:08 < ivazquez> Interaction diagrams. That's the phrase I was looking for. 23:08 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> JonRob(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:08 < ivazquez> We need interaction diagrams, not use case diagrams. 23:08 < lmacken> juank_prada: anytime really 23:08 * ivazquez finally decided to pull out his UML book 23:08 < lmacken> ew 23:09 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> JonRob1(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:09 < juank_prada> lmacken, alrite... thing is im starting this new job tomorrow and im not really sure what or when is going to be my free time to spend on spins so i would really like to talk to you so you can give me some tips and help :) 23:09 < lmacken> juank_prada: sounds good.. drop me lines anytime, either on irc or lmacken(a)redhat.com 23:10 < juank_prada> alrite :) 23:10 < spevack> ok, well it looks like between new jobs and vacations, we're going to be in a little bit of chaos here, but we'll get it all going. lmacken, much appreciated that you're just willing to be a resource for us 23:10 < spevack> well, there is a lot going on in websites land, which is good. 23:10 < spevack> I know we're over time... do we need to adjourn this meeting and let people go? 23:10 < lmacken> hashing out ideas/models/cases/etc in gobby may be a good way for us all to chip in spare cycles when we can 23:11 < lmacken> oh no.. jack is calling.. brb :) 23:11 < spevack> ok, who's sending the log to 23:11 < spevack> JonRob? 23:11 < juank_prada> so... when can we do the model design? 23:12 < lmacken> juank_prada: we can probably start that now.. change it as we need to 23:12 < juank_prada> well... im leaving in a few minutes.. and ill be back late.. so... 23:13 < lmacken> juank_prada: well, by "now" i mean whenever people have time. It's something that will evolve with our requirements and use cases 23:14 < juank_prada> oh 23:14 < juank_prada> ok then :P 23:14 < juank_prada> it seems ill have a free time during this week (probably for all comming weeks to) at around 2:00 UTC :S 23:15 < spevack> juank_prada: why don't you propose a time, and send it to the list (and luke) along with a list of the couple of things you'd like to discuss 23:15 < juank_prada> not sure how that time work for you lmacken ? 23:15 < spevack> juank_prada: that way you can get the topics you want, and the time you want 23:15 < lmacken> juank_prada: I think that should be fine 23:16 < juank_prada> lmacken, ok then... ill do what spevack said so we can get more developers to join us and discuss this issue 23:17 < lmacken> juank_prada: sounds good 23:17 < lmacken> I'll get the TG skeleton into git today 23:17 < juank_prada> great :) 23:18 < juank_prada> i have to go now... so... ill talk to you later ... anything else ill read it from the log ... sorry for being late today 23:18 < spevack> juank_prada: thanks for your time! 23:18 < spevack> lmacken: thank you for your time also 23:18 < spevack> mizmo, all: thank you for attending today. 23:19 < mizmo> :) 23:19 < spevack> there's so much going on, my head is swimming a bit, in a good way :) 23:19 < juank_prada> im really excited here... there is a lot of enthusiasm in this :) 23:20 < juank_prada> see you all later :) 23:20 ... signoff!#fedora-websites -> juank_prada("Leaving") 23:20 < lmacken> k, I've created the TG quickstart w/ SQLAlchemy & Genshi. 23:20 < lmacken> can't seem to push to git yet.. the account system may not have synced yet 23:21 < tw2113> meeting adjourned? 23:21 < spevack> meeting adjourned ;)

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