8:10 a.m.
Hey,
It was suggested that i gather feedback on the 2 sites to see what
users experience when they want to download fedora.
Here is the feedback. (file is here incase the format is off:
http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt)
And i have anonymized all the feedback because some people asked that
before i started to ask questions.
The feedback below was gathered in a few irc rooms mostly #fedora and
#web. hiemanshu helped me gathering some of the feedback below.
Personal real world feedback is asked from 6 persons but not given
since fedora would't even run on there stock notebooks!
Feedback fedoraproject.org and get-fedora
User 1
- fedora main site
-- no issues, it's fine
- get.fp.o
-- KDE download is a bit hidden
-- x64 is hidden. users suggestion: perhaps 2 download buttons:
'download x64' and 'download x32'
-- user said: also add buttons for the dvd versions of tose 2 architectures
-- Make the gnome-kde choosable like on the mandriva download page
-- Ajax popup with download details (distribution, desktop
environment, installation guide etc...)
After showing the mandriva download style he said he only missed the
architecture option
User 2
- fedora main site
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
- get.fp.o
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
-- Spins, where do i need them for? remove it!
User 3
- fedora main site
-- 'looks oke'
- get.fp.o
-- More infor on spins rather then just one link
-- keep it simple
-- When asked for an x64 download link: "I don't think it should be
there, as many people would download it, and it wouldn't work on their
non x86_64 machines."
User 4
- fedora main site
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
- get.fp.o
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
-- "no issues, it was pretty obvious it's the second big button"
-- ""Trying to download x64"" well, it seems harder because I went
to
the list of mirrors instead of just instantly getting the download
link
-->also, when I got to the mirror list I had to click on a mirror and
browse to where the iso files are for F11
-->we're talking 8-9 clicks at least instead of 1x
-->for the 3rd or 4th most common download it would be nice if it
were shorter, but not a big deal to me
-->I'd like it if their was a link directly to the file you wanted on
the mirror (if that is possible or even makes sense)
-->but it would be possible for it to start me off in say
/release/11/Fedora/x86_64
-->yeah, that would make sense for it to do that after I click on the
filter for F11 x86_64
-->yep, that seems like it would be better instead of starting at the base
User 5
- fedora main site
-- seems OK, everything looks like its working, by preference I like
a bit more of a banner on sites, but thats personal
-- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro
- get.fp.o
-- seems fine to me
User 6
- fedora main site
-- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what?
-- too much unused white space
- get.fp.o
-- seems too cluttered
-- leads me to wonder wtf I click on
-- and it lacks consistancy
-- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner
-->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other
options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are
different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom
-->could it not list all the options in one consistant list,
explaining what each is, with the different download options?
User 7
- fedora main site
-- None
- get.fp.o
-- i guess download button could be bigger, but i noticed it immediately
User 8
- fedora main site
-- should have a big "download" button
-- Well, i think user who wants to install something *NIX'y is pretty
advanced to find a download link on the website
- get.fp.o
-- None
User 9
- fedora main site
-- and it should probably have a better link text
-- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
- get.fp.o
-- only thing is the "download now" link might not be obvious as a link
- Other
-- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide)
-- should have some minimal width limiter
-- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png
Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others)
-- the front-page of fedoraproject.org is a bit non-descript
-- anonymous, if you will
-- since this is mostly about getting people to use it, I'd go for a
more "in your face" approach, have a direct download button on the
front page, larger logo, more "THIS IS FEDORA" :)
-- when the writing goes one word per line, things are bad
-- no prominent logos, nothing
-- i would have something similar to how firefox has theirs, short and
sweet with a bit of kapow
-- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was
-- ONE sentence explaining that "This is the Linux distro for you" and
a download button :)
-- that little blurb needs to be more bolder or something -- stand out more
-- I think part of the problem is that the lion image in the
navigation dominates there, without communicating anything (alt text
does not count)
-- I just think if you want people to actually download it, then
Download link needs to be the first thing that draws the eye
-- change the lion-image with a download fedora 11 button
-- http://www.getfirefox.com http://www.getsongbird.com >>> take
them as example
-- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a
download link.
-- take a look at the get firefox page, i love what they have going on
at the bottom, short snappy bits of information
-- Make that big lion a download button, then have a tour button somewhere else
-- Or maybe you could have two buttons in that area...top one is tour,
bottom one is download
-- Yeah - I think what the fedora-page need is a clear goal and plan
for the page
-- the ubuntu website does it well, take note of that
-- is it a page mainly meant for getting Fedora?
-- then emphasize that
-- and make support, "what is" and all that other stuff less prominent
-- and less than 50 words on the main front page blurb
-- people are wanting immediate satisfaction nowadays
-- they don't want to search for information
-- they want a clear, concise text telling them what, why and where
-- especially important for a website of this type
5:32 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Mark<markg85(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey,
It was suggested that i gather feedback on the 2 sites to see what
users experience when they want to download fedora.
Here is the feedback. (file is here incase the format is off:
http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt)
And i have anonymized all the feedback because some people asked that
before i started to ask questions.
The feedback below was gathered in a few irc rooms mostly #fedora and
#web. hiemanshu helped me gathering some of the feedback below.
Personal real world feedback is asked from 6 persons but not given
since fedora would't even run on there stock notebooks!
Feedback fedoraproject.org and get-fedora
User 1
- fedora main site
-- no issues, it's fine
- get.fp.o
-- KDE download is a bit hidden
-- x64 is hidden. users suggestion: perhaps 2 download buttons:
'download x64' and 'download x32'
-- user said: also add buttons for the dvd versions of tose 2 architectures
-- Make the gnome-kde choosable like on the mandriva download page
-- Ajax popup with download details (distribution, desktop
environment, installation guide etc...)
After showing the mandriva download style he said he only missed the
architecture option
User 2
- fedora main site
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
- get.fp.o
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
-- Spins, where do i need them for? remove it!
User 3
- fedora main site
-- 'looks oke'
- get.fp.o
-- More infor on spins rather then just one link
-- keep it simple
-- When asked for an x64 download link: "I don't think it should be
there, as many people would download it, and it wouldn't work on their
non x86_64 machines."
User 4
- fedora main site
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
- get.fp.o
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
-- "no issues, it was pretty obvious it's the second big button"
-- ""Trying to download x64"" well, it seems harder because I went
to
the list of mirrors instead of just instantly getting the download
link
-->also, when I got to the mirror list I had to click on a mirror and
browse to where the iso files are for F11
-->we're talking 8-9 clicks at least instead of 1x
-->for the 3rd or 4th most common download it would be nice if it
were shorter, but not a big deal to me
-->I'd like it if their was a link directly to the file you wanted on
the mirror (if that is possible or even makes sense)
-->but it would be possible for it to start me off in say
/release/11/Fedora/x86_64
-->yeah, that would make sense for it to do that after I click on the
filter for F11 x86_64
-->yep, that seems like it would be better instead of starting at the base
User 5
- fedora main site
-- seems OK, everything looks like its working, by preference I like
a bit more of a banner on sites, but thats personal
-- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro
- get.fp.o
-- seems fine to me
User 6
- fedora main site
-- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what?
-- too much unused white space
- get.fp.o
-- seems too cluttered
-- leads me to wonder wtf I click on
-- and it lacks consistancy
-- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner
-->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other
options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are
different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom
-->could it not list all the options in one consistant list,
explaining what each is, with the different download options?
User 7
- fedora main site
-- None
- get.fp.o
-- i guess download button could be bigger, but i noticed it immediately
User 8
- fedora main site
-- should have a big "download" button
-- Well, i think user who wants to install something *NIX'y is pretty
advanced to find a download link on the website
- get.fp.o
-- None
User 9
- fedora main site
-- and it should probably have a better link text
-- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
- get.fp.o
-- only thing is the "download now" link might not be obvious as a link
- Other
-- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide)
-- should have some minimal width limiter
-- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png
Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others)
-- the front-page of fedoraproject.org is a bit non-descript
-- anonymous, if you will
-- since this is mostly about getting people to use it, I'd go for a
more "in your face" approach, have a direct download button on the
front page, larger logo, more "THIS IS FEDORA" :)
-- when the writing goes one word per line, things are bad
-- no prominent logos, nothing
-- i would have something similar to how firefox has theirs, short and
sweet with a bit of kapow
-- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was
-- ONE sentence explaining that "This is the Linux distro for you" and
a download button :)
-- that little blurb needs to be more bolder or something -- stand out more
-- I think part of the problem is that the lion image in the
navigation dominates there, without communicating anything (alt text
does not count)
-- I just think if you want people to actually download it, then
Download link needs to be the first thing that draws the eye
-- change the lion-image with a download fedora 11 button
-- http://www.getfirefox.com http://www.getsongbird.com >>> take
them as example
-- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a
download link.
-- take a look at the get firefox page, i love what they have going on
at the bottom, short snappy bits of information
-- Make that big lion a download button, then have a tour button somewhere else
-- Or maybe you could have two buttons in that area...top one is tour,
bottom one is download
-- Yeah - I think what the fedora-page need is a clear goal and plan
for the page
-- the ubuntu website does it well, take note of that
-- is it a page mainly meant for getting Fedora?
-- then emphasize that
-- and make support, "what is" and all that other stuff less prominent
-- and less than 50 words on the main front page blurb
-- people are wanting immediate satisfaction nowadays
-- they don't want to search for information
-- they want a clear, concise text telling them what, why and where
-- especially important for a website of this type
I'm hoping the website ppl could take a look at this feedback list to
see what they like of it followed by a discussion (in the next website
meeting?) to see what we can do about the main fedora page and the get
fedora page. So, time for feedback on the feedback ^_^
9:39 p.m.
New subject: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org
Wow. This is fantastic, Mark - thanks to you and Hiemanshu for taking
the time to go out and get a ton of data! Comments inline.
> User 4
> - fedora main site
> -- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
I wonder how experienced this user was. :)
> User 5
> - fedora main site
> -- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro
...hm, that's a thought, if somewhat backwards - if anything, RHEL is
based on Fedora, not the other way around (as I understand it, anyway) -
not sure how the current way of showing the Fedora <--> Red Hat
connection was chosen (it's currently in a tiny little sponsorship-note
footer at the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/) but I'm sure there's
a good reason for it.
> User 6
> - fedora main site
> -- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what?
+infinity
> - get.fp.o
> -- and it lacks consistancy
> -- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner
> -->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other
> options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are
> different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom
> -->could it not list all the options in one consistant list,
> explaining what each is, with the different download options?
Man, this person gives good, concrete feedback.
> - fedora main site
> -- and it should probably have a better link text
> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
YES
> -- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport
(4-500px wide)
> -- should have some minimal width limiter
> -- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png
Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating our sites
against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on
a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of
thing?)
> -- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately
know what it was
This is *incredibly* important.
> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They
want a
> download link.
Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this.
--Mel
9:51 p.m.
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 22:39 -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
>> - fedora main site
>> -- and it should probably have a better link text
>> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
>> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
YES
I'm not following at all...
>> -- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide)
>> -- should have some minimal width limiter
>> -- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png
Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating our sites
against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on
a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of
thing?)
800x600 and up is reasonable. 400-500 px wide isn't quite as reasonable.
>> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour.
They want a
>> download link.
Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this.
Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't
understand what it is I would be getting for the effort?
~m
1:35 a.m.
>>> -- and it should probably have a better link text
>>> -- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
>>> INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
> YES
I'm not following at all...
Yeah, I wasn't really clear...
Current http://fedoraproject.org site: tiny blue "--> Get Fedora" on the
middle of the left side"
Compare to, say, http://www.ubuntu.com/ - banner stretching across the
top with "Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop Edition / Save time and boot faster / Get
productive with the latest apps / Enjoy an improved user experience" and
then a high-contrast "Download" (and "Take the Tour") button right
below
that text.
Maybe we don't need *all* that stuff, but it's more descriptive and a
lot easier to find.
> Great point - do we have any heuristics that we're evaluating
our sites
> against, any standard tests we run for sanity? (Making sure it works on
> a certain list of screen sizes, a certain set of browsers, that kind of
> thing?)
800x600 and up is reasonable. 400-500 px wide isn't quite as reasonable.
That's a totally reasonable minimum bar - I think we just need to make
clear somewhere that that *is* the minimum bar, and that problems at
lower resolutions are a wontfix. I started
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics to try and keep track
of ideas for this - it's very much a draft, but I'm wondering whether
having a good set of rules-of-thumb might help us answer "it breaks in
this case, do we care about this case?" questions in the future.
Trying to think out loud why someone might have less than 800px width:
* Viewing fp.o on a mobile browser is probably an edge case and can be
ignored (stats could prove me wrong, though - I wonder how to get access
to those stats... maybe Ian might have some ideas)
* Someone on an 800+px wide display might have two windows open
side-by-side (comparing the Fedora homepage with the Gentoo homepage, or
surfing the web on the left side of his/her screen and reading email on
the right). This sounds more plausible to me; my laptop is 1024x768 and
it's not uncommon for me to have two browser windows side by side, each
filling up half my screen (so, accounting for scrollbars and such,
somewhere around 500px width each).
>>> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour.
They want a
>>> download link.
> Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this.
Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't
understand what it is I would be getting for the effort?
Also thinking off the top of my head... I think a better reason might be
"some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl
Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?"
* someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has
already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll
help me get started
* I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and
just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law
* some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out
what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you...
but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction
to a webpage that... I mean, it happens.
All my reasoning in this email and my previous one are a lot more
hand-wavy conjecturing than I'd like. I need to sit down and learn how
to get hold of our actual website stats, so I can base these kinds of
statements on Actual Data.
--Mel
2:06 a.m.
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 02:35 -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
* Viewing fp.o on a mobile browser is probably an edge case and can
be
ignored (stats could prove me wrong, though - I wonder how to get access
to those stats... maybe Ian might have some ideas)
We really should just format the site differently - at the very least
have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide
to support it. We don't officially now.
* Someone on an 800+px wide display might have two windows open
side-by-side (comparing the Fedora homepage with the Gentoo homepage, or
surfing the web on the left side of his/her screen and reading email on
the right). This sounds more plausible to me; my laptop is 1024x768 and
it's not uncommon for me to have two browser windows side by side, each
filling up half my screen (so, accounting for scrollbars and such,
somewhere around 500px width each).
Enough websites don't accommodate this scenario that we won't stick out
if we don't.
And FWIW the site works at very narrow resolutions on my laptop, it's
just the main banner blows out the side of the template (but the banner
is 600x200 so not much can be done about that) Get-fedora fails
gracefully, etc. and is sufficient for this use case.
>>>> -- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a
>>>> download link.
>> Really? I wonder if there is a good way we can empirically prove this.
>
> Why would I expend energy to download an operating system if I don't
> understand what it is I would be getting for the effort?
Also thinking off the top of my head... I think a better reason might be
"some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl
Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?"
* someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has
already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll
help me get started
* I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and
just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law
* some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out
what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you...
but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction
to a webpage that... I mean, it happens.
I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far
less common than the first. The first fits with our general flaw of
addressing newbies way more than more seasoned users. Thanks for the
reasoning :)
~m
2:30 a.m.
Thanks for pushing back and pointing out holes in my reasoning, btw -
always good especially when it's 3:20am (...it's one of Those Nights
when I can't sleep).
We really should just format the site differently - at the very
least
have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide
to support it. We don't officially now.
Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size*
> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they
want to dl
> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?"
>
> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has
> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and they'll
> help me get started
>
> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and
> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law
>
> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out
> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you...
> but I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction
> to a webpage that... I mean, it happens.
I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far
less common than the first.
I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora
releases before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora
before" would be a useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to
tell who's actually arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with
Ian (since he's doing similar work) about ways we might instrument
things up better to get the kind of data these discussions should be
based on... who else is into stats and metrics?
--Mel
11:28 a.m.
2009/7/11 Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com>:
Thanks for pushing back and pointing out holes in my reasoning, btw -
always
good especially when it's 3:20am (...it's one of Those Nights when I can't
sleep).
> We really should just format the site differently - at the very least
> have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide
> to support it. We don't officially now.
Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size*
>> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl
>> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?"
>>
>> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has
>> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and
they'll help
>> me get started
>>
>> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and
>> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law
>>
>> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out
>> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind you...
but
>> I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction to a
>> webpage that... I mean, it happens.
>
> I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far
> less common than the first.
I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora releases
before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora before" would be
a
useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to tell who's actually
arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with Ian (since he's doing
similar work) about ways we might instrument things up better to get the
kind of data these discussions should be based on... who else is into stats
and metrics?
--Mel
Oke, great feedback on the feedback (although i seem to miss feedback
on the bottom part right after: "Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and
others)")...
So some thoughts on that would be nice.
Now for the feedback and what we do/won't do.. i suggest we use some
kind of system for that (MoSCoW)..
So, if we could all (Máirín, Mel, Hiemanshu and me) could all make a
MoSCow list of what we see as needed then discuss the lists in the
meeting next friday?
Just if you don't know what moscow is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method
note: every line from:
http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt is a
problem or a possible solution that the users saw. so every line
should come back in one of the moscow sections (not multiple!).
So in the end we end up with at least 4 lists with the following subjects:
Must have
----------------------
< your items here >
Could have
----------------------
< your items here >
Should have
----------------------
< your items here >
Won't have
----------------------
< your items here >
And if you ask me as soon as we know the "Must have" part we can
actually start to make something.
Let me know what you think of this idea.
Mark.
9:04 a.m.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Mark<markg85(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2009/7/11 Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com>:
> Thanks for pushing back and pointing out holes in my reasoning, btw - always
> good especially when it's 3:20am (...it's one of Those Nights when I
can't
> sleep).
>
>> We really should just format the site differently - at the very least
>> have a different style sheet - to target this specifically if we decide
>> to support it. We don't officially now.
>
> Yay! wontfix, then. *docs at
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Heuristics#Screen_size*
>
>>> "some people will already come to fp.o knowing that they want to dl
>>> Fedora, even before taking the tour. Who are they?"
>>>
>>> * someone (I trust, possibly an Ambassador standing beside me) has
>>> already told me I should just download this "Fedora" thing and
they'll help
>>> me get started
>>>
>>> * I do understand what I'd be getting; I already know what Fedora is and
>>> just need to grab an image file and am easily frustrated by Fitt's Law
>>>
>>> * some people blithely click on download links first, then figure out
>>> what they're getting afterwards. Not that it's a good idea, mind
you... but
>>> I've watched enough people have this as almost a knee-jerk reaction to a
>>> webpage that... I mean, it happens.
>>
>> I agree with all of this, although i think the last two cases are far
>> less common than the first.
>
> I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora releases
> before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora before" would
be a
> useful differentiation metric for this - it's hard to tell who's actually
> arriving at the site for what. I'll have a chat with Ian (since he's doing
> similar work) about ways we might instrument things up better to get the
> kind of data these discussions should be based on... who else is into stats
> and metrics?
>
> --Mel
>
Oke, great feedback on the feedback (although i seem to miss feedback
on the bottom part right after: "Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and
others)")...
So some thoughts on that would be nice.
Now for the feedback and what we do/won't do.. i suggest we use some
kind of system for that (MoSCoW)..
So, if we could all (Máirín, Mel, Hiemanshu and me) could all make a
MoSCow list of what we see as needed then discuss the lists in the
meeting next friday?
Just if you don't know what moscow is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method
note: every line from:
http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt is a
problem or a possible solution that the users saw. so every line
should come back in one of the moscow sections (not multiple!).
So in the end we end up with at least 4 lists with the following subjects:
Must have
----------------------
< your items here >
Could have
----------------------
< your items here >
Should have
----------------------
< your items here >
Won't have
----------------------
< your items here >
And if you ask me as soon as we know the "Must have" part we can
actually start to make something.
Let me know what you think of this idea.
Mark.
So, are we going to do this or not?
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